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Red Dwarf scored a nice 1.5 million viewers for dave. It'll never hit the 8 million it once did but then again few programs achieve anything like that these days. Still after last nights good episode and the buzz around the internet I think we'll see figures rise for the next episode.

Moose.

Those are pretty great figures for a non-terrestrial channel (even given that most people have Freeview nowadays) and may well place it at the top of the non-terrestrial chart.

I only watched it over the weekend, but thought it was a nice return to form. Great to see it back.

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merman

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Just to point out, overnight figures do not include those using catch-up services, PVR's or video recorders...

And watching Camille yesterday put the new episode into even sharper contrast. There the laughter was contributing to the atmosphere, not drowning out the vocals. And the old models and puppets had charm, where the new CGI (especially of the out-of-proportion Red Dwarf) looks bad.

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Those are pretty great figures for a non-terrestrial channel (even given that most people have Freeview nowadays) and may well place it at the top of the non-terrestrial chart.

It beat Channel 4 and 5:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a410515/red-dwarf-new-series-kicks-off-with-15-million.html

Hotel GB continued with 1.37m (5.9%) on Channel 4.

Heroes of the Skies was Channel 5's best audience of the evening with 817k (3.6%)

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Harsin

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Where?

Danny John Jules died in 2003, they now use an elaborate animatronic.

The new Dwarf looked CG to me and was definitely the wrong shape. Prove otherwise.

http://www.wired.com...0/red-dwarf-qa/

Wired: Thank you for using proper models this time and not going down the CGI renders for Red Dwarf. What was the process you went through to do it?

Naylor: We always wanted to film the models, as everyone probably knows the original Red Dwarf miniature met a tragic death when it fell off a shelf, and it didn’t exist for a long time. When we did the remasters a new one was built, the ‘pencil,’ so it it existed. So for this series we knew we had that, and it’s had a “reddwarf-ectomy” and has been shortened, so we wanted to go back to the miniatures. I think the miniatures, certainly with the budgets we have, they look better that (CGI) model shots, and we able to shoot them as the first unit, rather than it being the B unit.

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The actual new red dwarf model is actually what they always wanted the ship to look like. If you read the books then it fits the description much better than the original model. The new model was created for the remastered series and was massive in size. Sadly the model was so big that it was impossible to do a full tracking shot, the BBC simply didn;t have the equipment to do it. So at the last minute the turn to using a CG version of the model that had ti be done on a budget of about 3 pence. It was very last minute. As doug says what they did with the new series was take the remastered model, break it down into its pieces, add more lights and then cut out some sections. Thus you get a compromise on the pencil shape.

The walking blue midget was also always meant to walk but they never had the budget for a model that could walk, hence the CG walking one. It also ties in with the Red Dwarf books where Lister drives a type of car known as a Hooper (he's a dodgy taxi driver in it at the start). So you can see it was always something Doug and Rob wanted to do (it's also a piss take on Blade runners flying cars).

This video explains everything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy9PPYef_3Y

Model talk starts about 9.00 mark.

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Sorry, it still looks wrong whether it is a model or CG. Ram scoop is too big, ship is too short and fat. And remember, the Nantes rebuilt the ship at the start of series 8 based on the original blueprints so it should look like the CG ship in that series. Which was much longer than the original model.

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Sorry, it still looks wrong whether it is a model or CG. Ram scoop is too big, ship is too short and fat. And remember, the Nantes rebuilt the ship at the start of series 8 based on the original blueprints so it should look like the CG ship in that series. Which was much longer than the original model.

Thanks Poindexter.

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Eats hoops and leaves

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Sorry, it still looks wrong whether it is a model or CG. Ram scoop is too big, ship is too short and fat. And remember, the Nantes rebuilt the ship at the start of series 8 based on the original blueprints so it should look like the CG ship in that series. Which was much longer than the original model.

Your ram scoop can never be too big.

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Just watching 7 on Netflix. Did it never have a laughter track? The jokes seem weird without one, like the crew are pausing after a gag, but there's nothing to fill the silence.

There's so much about 7 that doesn't feel right from the start. It still feels like a new series (New as in: Why have they changed it all, why is it so different?), there's so much change from series 6, the camera work, lighting, the god-awful CG. The only thing I really remember about the opening episode was the 'Jeff Kay' joke, the rest I'd pretty much forgotten.

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It was awful in every way.

Watched RDX last night. Actually very good I thought. I still miss Holly though.

Sorry, it still looks wrong whether it is a model or CG. Ram scoop is too big, ship is too short and fat. And remember, the Nantes rebuilt the ship at the start of series 8 based on the original blueprints so it should look like the CG ship in that series. Which was much longer than the original model.

In case it helps - I don't give a shit either.

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If this was a Star Trek or Dr Who thread, you all would have been obsessing over something like... the words on the Taris signs changing, or the change in the graphics of the remastered Original Series. But when I point out a significant change in the ship that gives the series its name, you neg me. Inconsistent.

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Just watching 7 on Netflix. Did it never have a laughter track? The jokes seem weird without one, like the crew are pausing after a gag, but there's nothing to fill the silence.

It has a laugh track from a audience showing of a/the final edit, but the extended episodes don't have it iirc. It is possible the yanks got a version without the laugh track.

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Just watching 7 on Netflix. Did it never have a laughter track? The jokes seem weird without one, like the crew are pausing after a gag, but there's nothing to fill the silence.

There's so much about 7 that doesn't feel right from the start. It still feels like a new series (New as in: Why have they changed it all, why is it so different?), there's so much change from series 6, the camera work, lighting, the god-awful CG. The only thing I really remember about the opening episode was the 'Jeff Kay' joke, the rest I'd pretty much forgotten.

Tikka To Ride, Ouroboros and Duct Soup had Xtended versions without the laugh track. I guess they're using them on Netflix.

When they first came out on VHS it was quite a surprise. Either they didn't want to spend any money putting canned laughter on the additional scenes, or they felt it wouldn't be legit to do so -- they always claimed that the laughter tracks were taken from audience viewings of the episodes, and the audience didn't view deleted scenes. So they ditched the laughter track altogether.

And that's what makes series 7 so odd -- no studio audience. A lot of the vibrancy and energy is missing. Production value went up, but that just puts even more distance between the viewer and the material.

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Just watching 7 on Netflix. Did it never have a laughter track? The jokes seem weird without one, like the crew are pausing after a gag, but there's nothing to fill the silence.

Series 7 was not shot in front of audiences, but the final cuts of all the episodes were shown to audiences so that laugh tracks could be recorded. Those were the versions broadcast on TV. Some time later, a video was released with "Xtended" cuts of three series 7 episodes, and those didn't have laugh tracks.

The series 7 DVD has both versions, but it sounds like for those three episodes (Tikka To Ride, Ouroboros, Duct Soup), Netflix uses the Xtended versions.

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