League (1v1) Discussion

[LittleJoe]

What?

Its better than what you said,

It's not.

[SomethingWitty]

Tell you what. I'll play sith in a pair of friendlies right now. Madrid vs Plymouth. First game I'll have Madrid, second I'll have Plymouth.

It's the only way to scientifically prove whether or not better players enjoy better teams. If he has more fun beating me as Madrid then I'll STFU and accept my place in the world.

C'mon son. You know you want it.

I'm going to take this silence as a moral, though pyrrhic, victory. Sith has been my windmill, Goaty my unwitting Sancho Panza. I'm drunk, I'm right, and you're welcome.

[Klaark]

I've just tried to post a note on a fixture and I was met with this:

Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01b6'

Object doesn't support this property or method: 'Err.Line'

/sys/sendmail.asp, line 35

Can anyone help me out?

[SaintM]

The hosts went down earlier, so may take a while to get back up to running speed.

[Bleeders]

I'm probably missing something here, but is it deliberate that there is a week gap for the fixtures?

[SaintM]

Yeah, some leagues have more teams than others!

[AlfromSleep]

Website down just now? I'm getting an error message.

[Jamin]

Yeah down here too.

[Wincho]

Team selection for Season 31 is next week starting with League 1 (5* or lower) on Thursday 11th followed by Championship (4.5* or lower) on Friday 12th and then Premiership (4* or lower) on Saturday 13th

If you are not going to be around for your window, pm me a massive list now so you are covered as the train cannot be stopped once it is rolling. (Those missing their window drop half a star in who they can pick, and pick in their ranking order with the next division)

A re-cap on how it works is posted here http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?/topic/272318-1v1-season-31-team-selection-window-opens-with-league-1-this-thursday/?p=9360006

Cups will be straight knockout this season

Team selection process following Season 31 will remain the same however instead of rankings (that are used as deciders when two managers put the same team in the same place on their lists) being based on thread contribution, we'll be reverting back to using the scores from Peer ratings questions that you complete when entering or confirming scores for matches

Please answer these honestly at the end of each fixture set - there have been cases in the past of strategic ratings being given to deliberately lower someones ranking and that really isn't in the spirit of the league.

By all means if someone has been a dick in regards to your fixture against them, feel free to mark them accordingly but keep your answers based on the current season rather than any old rivalries you may have with them

Last one on Fifa 13 so lets make it a good'un

[SaintM]

So then, what suggestions do the community have to make the 1v1 league more appealing?

Couple of things to note..

1. We're stuck with FIFA 14. Sorry about that.

2. We're all inclusive, from the guys who play non-stop to the chaps who only play online once a week for the league.

A couple of ideas so far:

PeteBrant : Smaller leagues

Baring : More flexible fixture schedules

[AlfromSleep]

Flexible fixture scheduling sounds like a good plan to me but smaller leagues doesn't really appeal

[Steely]

I know Im no longer part of the league, but a few things for me...

Visible Rewarding for Match Reports - With clear points to aim for when doing one, award points per fixture at the end of the season e.g. 1 point for Stattos, 1 point for making it look pretty, 1 point for putting a breif write up on the match and then 2 points for above and beyond. (Your Kikos and people who put videos together etc... Then have that feed into the team selection.

Drop the Champions league and European Cup - I just think the fixture list is a bit much.

Use international teams - Since we are not using them for BAP anymore they would offer a nice break from club teams for an odd season maybe once per iteration.

Keep 5* teams for top league - It should be a reward for working your way up the league, having the lure of getting to use the top teams.

Injuries? - One of the key things we use in the FTL certainly adds another dimension to things especially when it comes to picking your team, ands a dimension of horror to the ingame when you see your star player hit the deck or even better when you see one of the opposition players floundering around on the floor. YES!

More Flexible fixture schedule - As Baring has already suggested - The seasons can become long and uninteresting having the tighter fixture schedule where you can play a handful of players at any time over say a 3 weeks space makes it a bit easier to get games played. Award the people who finish earlier, again with a visible points scoring system that feeds into next seasons team selection.

[Timmo]

I dont like either idea, really (edit - I mean the two ideas in SaintM's post). Smaller leagues dilute the achievement of winning something, flexible schedules mean leagues will quickly fall out of sync and the drama of a progressing league campaign with rivalries and teams jumping over one another will be lost.

I'd ask for a number of factual questions in the peer ratings rather than everything being subjective.

Some that spring to mind:

Does your oponent post match reports for every match? Yes/No

Was your opponent on time? Yes/No

Did your opponent use his microphone? Yes/No

These will help give incentive for being an active part of the community who contributes to the thread and is punctual. Being the most active person in my league last season, being timely, using my microphone, playing clean football with no cynical fouls, and yet getting 6th pick has left me questioning why I bothered making the effort.

I was a better community member last season than the one before, when I was given second pick. The only difference is that I beat more people, which presumably is why I was voted lower.

[Steely]

Instead of an entire season of flexible fixtures, break them in half, this would stop people wrapping up all the fixtures in about 2 weeks but also stop the ammount of fixtures being played get completely out of sync.

Though admittidly it still detracts from the drama somewhat.

[Baring]

Yea I always disliked the rating system.

Most of the time it’s a popularity contest and back in the day, I wasn’t winning any lol

I really think the rewards should be visible, like Steely has mentioned.

Points for effort, points for good match reports. This way there is no question of who will have earnt that top pick.

There are certain players (wont name names) who even in the FTL don’t post anything about certain matches, no good game or anything. Its just not enough to just ‘play your matches’. You must be active in the league folder and contribute, even if it’s a small brief match report.

Its like when people just put scores and zero effort. I really don’t see why they bother with a league, when they moan all match aswell and don’t want to contribute. You may aswell play seasons mode. (i might be OTT here like, its just an annoyance of mine)

As Timmo said, he posted all kinds of reports and ends up 6^th. That mental! especially as someone posted once all season and got a higher pick. He has every right to be fuming. What is the point in his effort? Its clear he’s a good member of the forum and a credit to his dressing room, we should be rewarding people like him. Its clear his victories have gave people sour grapes and rated him low (this may not actually be true, but wont be far off).

Anywho rant over lol I would certainly be thinking of joining back up sometime with some slight tweaks as I quite like Fifa 14 and have more time on my hands of late.

One more thing, people should definitely lose a point or 2(if you go for such a system) for standing people up. It’s the worst, sitting there waiting at 10pm for that person to be either 15/20mins late or just not show up at all.

[Jamin]

Couple more things I'd like to see implemented:

- 1 fixture a week. Not 1 opponent a week. Do it like real football. One fixture each week equals one 20 minute game. One of the reasons I dropped was because of time, but being able to pop on for 20 minutes to play one game eliminates that and it's also pretty exciting for the league to play each opponent twice at different times during the season

- Injuries/suspensions. Maybe just injuries, but both if possible. Take a leaf out of the FTL and use this data, have players miss games.

- Lose league points if you don't do a match report. Others have touched on this and it hopefully might encourage everyone to do a report.

[Baring]

Its hard enough when people never get back to you, i wouldnt like to contact some people for a 2nd time to try get them to respond.

[sith]

I never do match reports because of the system. One season I did match reports for every game and I was still bottom or 2nd to last pick. Why would I bother with match reports when there is no incentive to do so?

I fully deserve to be last pick this season, but there would be no difference if I'd done match reports anyway.

[Timmo]

I like the idea of one long game per week, although as Baring says there could be practical issues. My other thought is that it might make the league too long. We've seen before in certain one off competitions where people drift away and stop playing, and we also see in the league people gradually drop away, there's always a few. Extend the league by a factor of two and I think the marathon might be a bit much, especially if people are struggling or just don't like their team. 9 weeks is a sweet spot, I think.

[GrahamDunn]

I did find it strange when I was placed above Timmo in team selection order for next season, as I don't think I did a match report in the 1v1 league last season.

The peer ratings and team selection order for next season have been decided based on the feedback given to the questions on the result reporting page, and I think everyone would agree that these questions could be doing with being reviewed. However, I don't think that will solve problem, as I suspect some people just hit the submit button without properly reading over the questions or picking suitable answers. This means that by default they are giving their opponent a 50% rating (unless they choose not to give feedback, which as far as I'm aware populates as NULL and doesn't effect their opponents average rating come the end of the season).

Over the course of Fifa 13 many of us had taken part in every 1v1 league season and every FTL. For the first couple of seasons of each league I tried to do a match report for every game, but as Fifa 13 drew to a close, I'll be honest, I couldn't really be bothered playing the game never mind doing match reports for both leagues (1v1 & FTL). However, due to the dwindling numbers in the 1v1 league I decided to stick at it rather than quitting out.

@Jamin/Baring

I understand what you guys are saying about deducting points for non-contribution, however I think there was a poll a while back and people were asked how much attention that they gave to their opponents match reports and I might be wrong, but I think a lot of people said that they didn't bother reading over reports for games that they hadn't been involved in. Deducting points from people for not doing match reports when a lot of people have said previously that they don't pay that much attention to the write-ups doesn't seem like a logical option. I also don't think it would do much to encourage additional players to join the 1v1 league.

[Baring]

I didnt say deduct points for no match posting.

I meant make it an incentive to earn points by posting match reports and get that higher pick, if you dont wanna post then you'll know where you'll be come next season.

There could yes/no options for ingame too such as a headset and turned up on time.

[Wincho]

I never do match reports because of the system. One season I did match reports for every game and I was still bottom or 2nd to last pick. Why would I bother with match reports when there is no incentive to do so?

I fully deserve to be last pick this season, but there would be no difference if I'd done match reports anyway.

I think you actually looked back and conceded that you actually did reports for just two games but your point remains valid nonetheless

And just to add some context to the 'Timmo in 6th pick!' shocker. 3 of those above him came from the league below and all three made an effort to do reports too so let's compare apples with apples. Timmo being 3rd pick of last seasons Prem players is poor but the whole 'best poster in dressing room and 6th pick' is not really the complete picture

[TommyMAT]

Id like to see the admin or someone pick 10 teams and then draw these 10 teams out throughout each league, Id dispose of the cups so does it matter if teams are duplicated across however many leagues we have? does it,

That way championship players are still playing with 4.5/5 star teams as are the prem and league one if enough people came back on.

I think putting match reports up puts many people off playing as its not just a nice game of fifa you have to do the report as well, some people find it hard enough just going on the site to confirm results

[Timmo]

How come the cascading thing was removed, you know what I mean, went something like

Prem 1st

Champ 1st

Prem 2nd

Champ 2nd

Etc. Because people in the Prem were voting low like dicks.

[kiko kylz]

http://www.rllmukfootballleague.co.uk/trophyroom.asp

Ah, gone of the days of chucking in a couple o' quid, with a celebratory mug for the champions, a wooden spoon for goaty, and posting a 'selfie' with said triumphant symbol.

Add's a bit of spice dont you think?

[Jamin]

I like the idea of one long game per week, although as Baring says there could be practical issues. My other thought is that it might make the league too long. We've seen before in certain one off competitions where people drift away and stop playing, and we also see in the league people gradually drop away, there's always a few. Extend the league by a factor of two and I think the marathon might be a bit much, especially if people are struggling or just don't like their team. 9 weeks is a sweet spot, I think.

I was thinking if we had 1 fixture (for each opponent a week) then perhaps we could have 2 "live" fixtures a week - i.e. You play two opponents each once per week. Then the current 9 weeks in a season schedule could be maintained.

Dunno bout anyone else but I'm far more able to jump on for two separate 20-minute games than for a 45 minute slot to play the same guy twice. It's also less boring & might lead to some interestingly tight seasons with games being played & reported one at a time. It also might solve match reporting apathy by having to do just 1 match report.

[Wincho]

How come the cascading thing was removed, you know what I mean, went something like

Prem 1st

Champ 1st

Prem 2nd

Champ 2nd

Etc. Because people in the Prem were voting low like dicks.

Because it was assumed that the dicks weren't around anymore

What it looks like at first glance, given the volume of '50' scores is that a number of people are just not bothering answering the questions but then just hitting submit anyway, rather than 'prefer not to rate this player'

Plain right lazy fuckers in the Prem basically

Anyway, has anyone actually read your match reports. Were they any good, because I'm not giving points just because someone has too much spare time on their hands

As I've said previously, posting match reports isn't a pre-requisite for getting a decent contribution score from me as I don't read them. I'll give those writing them a decent contribution score anyway but equally someone who posts regularly in the dressing room thread and makes me smile with what they write would get an equally decent contribution rating.

[Timmo]

They were boring, like everyone else's. Irrelevant.

[Wincho]

You're irrelevant

[4ndo]

You're irrelevant

Your.

To be honest anytime I've done 1v1 league I quite like how it is, It would put me off if it changed too much in the future! Sometimes if people don't post anything it sucks a bit, but as scooot said last season in L1 the most important thing of all is gettin the games played, which is true!

I would prefer the matches to be the default 6min, I remember reading a SaintM post years ago saying it was so you had time to get an extra goal, well looking at some of the crazy scorelines through the years it's fair to say nobody needs any extra goals lol. The cup matches being 7min doesn't bother me as much, especially if it's 1 game.

Taking away the cups would be pretty boring, give me a 3 chance lottery over a 1 chance any day of the week. No doubles? No trebles? No Champions league for Wincho? No Europa for Southampton?

Letting the lower league players use the big teams every other season was one of the best decisions ever made! Along with the banning of custom formations.

Not into this new trend of purposely missing penalties because it didn't look like a pen, we don't do it in the BAP league and players in real life don't do it. A lot of you wouldn't be to happy if you lost a league spot cause someone stole the ball from the keeper, well I wouldn't be to happy if I lost out from someone missing pens on purpose. It's like girls being called sluts and guys being called studs!