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Avatar 2 - The Way of Water Dec 2022

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7 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

Why not? It's always said the reason why this second film has taken so long to arrive is because Cameron was writing the scripts for all 4 of the films.

Is it? I thought it was mostly down to him wanting to spend his time diving and underwater exploration.

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5 stars from Empire but the review doesn’t entirely read like a 5 star review .

 

They also echo one of those tweets from earlier in the week that you might get distracted looking at fish and miss plot points.

 

It does sound like you HAVE to go best screen possible and if you aren’t quickly wowed by the visuals on a decent screen then it’s going to be a very long 3 hours.

 

 

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The first Avatar was a big disappointment for me. A film I was so looking forward too, but turned out so average. But I’ve bought a ticket for the sequel for Friday afternoon, I mean it’s James Cameron, how could I not? Think it may be a very long three hours though.

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6 hours ago, Gambit said:

Robbie Collin absolutely hated this. Which means it's probably actually pretty good. Certainly piqued my interest a little more.

 

That's the second 'Robbie Collin hated this', i can only deduce people have subscriptions to The Telegraph but that doesn't make sense, why would anyone have one of those. Is

 

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Avatar 2 is finally here – and it’s like being waterboarded with turquoise cement. James Cameron’s decade-in-the-making The Way of Water has no plot, no stakes and atrocious dialogue. What happened to this great director?

 

enough to decide that he hated it? It seems he did but i still feel like i'd need to read his in depth thoughts, don't know if he even writes the heading as writers usually don't. No plot surprises me, i thought it'd at least have one of those. The stakes i thought would depend on how engaged i am ultimately.

 

Even now a big offer banner has appeared blocking the start of his review, how do people know what films he likes and doesn't like? Whatever he mentions on twitter? Just his rating at the top and the heading? Other writers like Matt Singer and David Ehrlich put up chunks of their reviews on to letterboxd, and then link to their full reviews which aren't behind paywalls anyway. Don't think Collin has an account there, maybe i should ask him to get one.

 

edit....actually he does have a letterboxd, doesn't post chunks of reviews, just a line and a link and actually you can printscreen quickly really before you'e blocked..

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7 hours ago, Loik V credern said:

 

That's the second 'Robbie Collin hated this', i can only deduce people have subscriptions to The Telegraph but that doesn't make sense, why would anyone have one of those. Is

 

 

enough to decide that he hated it? It seems he did but i still feel like i'd need to read his in depth thoughts, don't know if he even writes the heading as writers usually don't. No plot surprises me, i thought it'd at least have one of those. The stakes i thought would depend on how engaged i am ultimately.

 

Even now a big offer banner has appeared blocking the start of his review, how do people know what films he likes and doesn't like? Whatever he mentions on twitter? Just his rating at the top and the heading? Other writers like Matt Singer and David Ehrlich put up chunks of their reviews on to letterboxd, and then link to their full reviews which aren't behind paywalls anyway. Don't think Collin has an account there, maybe i should ask him to get one.

 

edit....actually he does have a letterboxd, doesn't post chunks of reviews, just a line and a link and actually you can printscreen quickly really before you'e blocked..

 

Metacritic.

 

His is the lowest score by far last I checked.

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Hmm, just skimmed Grace Randolph's review and she says it's got a lot more Aliens DNA in it this time with the hokey new-age stuff dialled down in place of a militaristic plot about natives fighting colonials. I don't often agree with her preferences but that has piqued my interest somewhat. I think we all agree that the brief glimpses of the futuristic human tech, Cameron's speciality, are much more exciting than any of the blue people stuff.

 

Three hours though.

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No particular view either way on Avatar, but if I have to read one more white liberal misdiagnose its blatant decolonial narrative as a 'white saviour' one, I'm going to start punching people (not literally, I'm small and weak).

 

There's a reason why the original had a large cultural impact in places like Palestine and almost none in the West.

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15 hours ago, Bazjam said:

The first Avatar was a big disappointment for me. A film I was so looking forward too, but turned out so average. But I’ve bought a ticket for the sequel for Friday afternoon, I mean it’s James Cameron, how could I not? Think it may be a very long three hours though.

 

This is me too. I think there's gonna be a lot of people going to see it because of those factors.

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I assume it will have more drop off/less longevity as people mention seeing it to it others, saying 'yeah it's alright/whatever but it's really long' and the other person reacting like 'oh is it? I didn't realise..hmm well I might not bother then'. And just less fear of missing out as it's less of an event. But it will still do Pirates, Transformers numbers as a big screen spectacle. Apparently on its way to '$525m global debut'. They ended on like $700m+. I forget Avatar made $2.7 billion. Yeah so not $700m. How much does it need make to break even again, at what point does it become a success as the media are obsessed by. 

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This is on track for an opening weekend of $175m in the US. By comparison this year’s biggest film Top Gun: Maverick took around $126m, going on to earn around $1.5b.

 

There’s very little standing in Avatar’s way release-wise over the next few weeks too, although I do wonder if it might be front-loaded. More curious to see the forecast for its second weekend, and what its percentage drop will be. The first film saw a minuscule 1.8% drop, whereas most superhero films, and there’s been a few since Avatar released, drop around 50% in their second week.

 

Continuing the Top Gun: Maverick comparisons, that dropped 28.9% on its second weekend in the US. A similar amount for Avatar 2 would equal around a $124m take for its second weekend, and a good sign it’s on course to fare well, in the States at least.

 

Although that could all be moot, because the first film ‘only’ made $749m in the US; it made $1.9b across global markets meaning a somewhat lopsided 72% of its take came internationally (Top Gun: M was an almost 50/50 split between its US and international    take)

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Saw this earlier today. Full disclosure: I saw Avatar in theatres opening weekend. Thought it was fine. Never thought about it again. Wound up seeing it again on a bus ride through Australia a few years after it came out. Haven't thought about since. Except whenever I saw it being played in a store on big tv sets where some prick would never have the decency to turn of the fucking motion smoothing. Never had any desire to go back to the film. Went back to Titanic, True Lies and of course the Terminator films plenty of times.

 

This has motion smoothing in spades. This is certainly 1 hour too long. It's also got the best final act in a James Cameron film this side of Titanic. Take that however you will but this is the first Avatar film I've wanted to watch again in cinemas.

 

A rare sequel that improves on the original, frankly. The best James Cameron sequel since T2! Is it better? It may very well be, but i need to give it a rewatch.

 

Added bonus points for Sigourney Weaver's character being de-aged yet not moving like an elderly woman in her (*checks notes*) early seventies (blimey!) but like an actual teenager. Bravo to everybody in the crew recognizing that de-aging doesn't mask the aging of movement of your star actors.(* Gives a very cross look at Martin Scorcese and Kevin Feige*)

 

Another plus is that this has the best subtitled alien whale in a film yet seen. That whale has a long career ahead of him if he sticks with this franchise.

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9 hours ago, HarMGM said:

Saw this earlier today. Full disclosure: I saw Avatar in theatres opening weekend. Thought it was fine. Never thought about it again. Wound up seeing it again on a bus ride through Australia a few years after it came out. Haven't thought about since. Except whenever I saw it being played in a store on big tv sets where some prick would never have the decency to turn of the fucking motion smoothing. Never had any desire to go back to the film. Went back to Titanic, True Lies and of course the Terminator films plenty of times.

 

This has motion smoothing in spades. This is certainly 1 hour too long. It's also got the best final act in a James Cameron film this side of Titanic. Take that however you will but this is the first Avatar film I've wanted to watch again in cinemas.

 

A rare sequel that improves on the original, frankly. The best James Cameron sequel since T2! Is it better? It may very well be, but i need to give it a rewatch.

 

Added bonus points for Sigourney Weaver's character being de-aged yet not moving like an elderly woman in her (*checks notes*) early seventies (blimey!) but like an actual teenager. Bravo to everybody in the crew recognizing that de-aging doesn't mask the aging of movement of your star actors.(* Gives a very cross look at Martin Scorcese and Kevin Feige*)

 

Another plus is that this has the best subtitled alien whale in a film yet seen. That whale has a long career ahead of him if he sticks with this franchise.

 

Makes me a bit more hopefuly to watching it.

 

One of the guys from gameXplain is a MASSIVE Avatar fan. He saw the movie the other day and well, he wasn't so enthusiastic about it.

 

I will hopefully get to watch it over xmas, but i am certainly dialing my expectings down a bit - i know it will look amazing but like the original movie, i'm not expecting much from the story.

 

I too only watched the first Avatar at the cinema on release - i've never really felt like i wanted to watch it again, where as I have watched other Cameron movies countless times over. Might try and rewatch before i do see the sequel though, but the lack of 3d visuals does put me off a little since to me, that was one of the main draws of the movie in the first place.

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9 hours ago, HarMGM said:

A rare sequel that improves on the original, frankly. The best James Cameron sequel since T2! Is it better? It may very well be, but i need to give it a rewatch.

 

 

Better than T2? No way José

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