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It's terrible in almost every department, but special mention for the script which is truly awful. It's two saving graces are the music which is always going to shine, and Malek's performance which although I don't think is Oscar worthy, is still very good.

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1 hour ago, Thor said:

It's really not a shite film. At all. 

 

1 hour ago, Bazjam said:

It's terrible in almost every department, but special mention for the script which is truly awful. It's two saving graces are the music which is always going to shine, and Malek's performance which although I don't think is Oscar worthy, is still very good.

 

It is, weirdly, both of these things.

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I enjoyed it and love Queen.

 

I'm not going to argue with those who don't like what I like as I couldn't give a shit.

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10 hours ago, linkster said:

Making things up for cinematic effect nonsense is basically what films are. See Churchill descending into the subways to meet with the people in Gary Oldman's Oscar winner Darkest Hour. Or probably 100% of The Queen, but it's still a wholly entertaining movie, providing you know what you're looking at.

 

Is this a long winded way of 100% justifying ‘filmatic license’?

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19 hours ago, linkster said:

I can’t stand them and I had a great time, it’s a great cinematic experience, it’s laughable trying to see people drag it down because it’s popular, and it is, amazingly so, an unbroken run at my local cinema since November

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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3 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Sigh. I like Marvel movies, I just don’t like all of them - the shit ones. Can you just get over it?

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4 minutes ago, linkster said:

Sigh. I like Marvel movies, I just don’t like all of them - the shit ones. Can you just get over it?

 

It not even Marvel films, although to say anything after the first Avengers is shit (which you have said) is just ridiculous, its any film you deem unworthy. See A Quiet Place. A film I wasn't as high on but others absolutely loved. You literally replied every time someone said they liked it to tell them why it was shit.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

It not even Marvel films, although to say anything after the first Avengers is shit (which you have said) is just ridiculous, its any film you deem unworthy. See A Quiet Place. A film I wasn't as high on but others absolutely loved. You literally replied every time someone said they liked it to tell them why it was shit.

 

 

And it was shit. Absolutely abysmal. In what way does that prove I don’t like popular movies? I saw it on the day of release and hated it then, so how was I going to know it’d be popular?

 

Making absolutely no sense. 

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16 minutes ago, linkster said:

And it was shit. Absolutely abysmal. In what way does that prove I don’t like popular movies?

 

Making absolutely no sense. 

 

You cryarse about people not liking the popular films you like, throwing negs around for anyone daring to say they didnt like it and then go off on other popular films and drive the point home over and over to tell people why they're wrong.

 

Hense the pot calling the kettle black. Its fairly explanatory.

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24 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

You cryarse about people not liking the popular films you like, throwing negs around for anyone daring to say they didnt like it and then go off on other popular films and drive the point home over and over to tell people why they're wrong.

 

Hense the pot calling the kettle black. Its fairly explanatory.

And you remember all this like some freaky stalker. Enough said.

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In defence of @Stigweard, it’s not stalking. I read the Film & TV forum a lot, and I tend to get a pretty good handle on whether I’ll like a film based on what certain forumites post over time. You’re one of them @linkster and the other is @sandman. If one of you guys hates it, there’s a good chance I’ll enjoy the movie. If you both hate it, I know I’m in for an absolute classic. And vice versa. ;)

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14 minutes ago, Monkeyboy said:

In defence of @Stigweard, it’s not stalking. I read the Film & TV forum a lot, and I tend to get a pretty good handle on whether I’ll like a film based on what certain forumites post over time. You’re one of them @linkster and the other is @sandman. If one of you guys hates it, there’s a good chance I’ll enjoy the movie. If you both hate it, I know I’m in for an absolute classic. And vice versa. ;)

I’ve no problem with that at all. It’s different from carrying around a grudge that you’ll use to get into personal arguments over movies for pity’s sake. I do get passionate about stuff, sure, but I never get personal until someone else does, that’s just a tiny minority of which this clown is one.

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37 minutes ago, linkster said:

And you remember all this like some freaky stalker. Enough said.

 

It's not stalking when you're in every thread haha but thats because you love films and that's great. I wish I had the time you have to see more films and some of your write ups are really great but I cant deny it doesnt grate when you have an agenda for certain films. It comes across very pretentious.

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41 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

It's not stalking when you're in every thread haha but thats because you love films and that's great. I wish I had the time you have to see more films and some of your write ups are really great but I cant deny it doesnt grate when you have an agenda for certain films. It comes across very pretentious.

I’m sorry about that. 

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41 minutes ago, Gord said:

He's brought out the passionate excuse people.  The discussion is over.

Says the guy who thinks biopics are real ;)

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A certain amount of reinterpretation of events and streamlining/juggling the timeline for dramatic effect is inevitable with any biopic. Bohemian Rhapsody goes way beyond that. Take pretty much any scene in the film and even the most cursory research shows that it bears no resemblance to actual events. Often the actual events would have been far more interesting than what's on screen, where one of the prime aims seems to have been display Brian May and Roger Taylor as ruddy good down to earth blokes at all times (plz buy tickets to see Queen feat. Adam Lambert). Sometimes the fantasy storytelling gets quite distatsteful, a desperate Freddie Mercury begging to be allowed back in the band after committing the cardinal sin of trying a solo project (despite not even being the first member of Queen to do so in reality) and being made to wait outside like a naughty schoolboy by Brian May is particularly bad. There's also a nasty whiff of Mary Whitehorse style judgmental morality around Mercury's sexuality and lifestyle, staging going to gay clubs like a descent into hell. The film started to feel a bit like the Brass Eye good AIDS/bad AIDS sketch in parts. On top of that it’s not even well directed (that table scene that's being passed around at the moment is shocking). Nice soundtrack though.

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1 hour ago, Harsin said:

A certain amount of reinterpretation of events and streamlining/juggling the timeline for dramatic effect is inevitable with any biopic. Bohemian Rhapsody goes way beyond that. Take pretty much any scene in the film and event he most cursory research shows that it bears no resemblance to actual events. Often the actual events would have been far more interesting than what's on screen, where one of the prime aims seems to have been display Brian May and Roger Taylor as ruddy good down to earth blokes at all times (plz buy tickets to see Queen feat. Adam Lambert). Sometimes the fantasy storytelling gets quite distatsteful, a desperate Freddie Mercury begging to be allowed back in the band after committing the cardinal sin of trying a solo project (despite not even being the first member of Queen to do so in reality) and being made to wait outside like a naughty schoolboy by Brian May is particularly bad. There's also a nasty whiff of Mary Whitehorse style judgmental morality around Mercury's sexuality and lifestyle, staging going to gay clubs like a descent into hell. The film started to feel a bit like the Brass Eye good AIDS/bad AIDS sketch in parts. On top of that it’s not even well directed (that table scene that's being passed around at the moment is shocking). Nice soundtrack though.

Spot on.

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Point of order: Mercury's solo career was a flop albums-wise. The Great Pretender cover and Barcelona aside.

 

Mr. Bad Guy is....thin...thin...stuff.

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I went with most of the inconsistencies, however the scene where they start writing We Will Rock You in 1980 was one too far for me.

 

Also did they really have to make John Deacon look like such a twat all the time?

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30 minutes ago, Hanzo the Razor said:

Also did they really have to make John Deacon look like such a twat all the time?

 

I almost feel like he wasn’t “in the film” as much as he could have been, given that it was mostly gurning, out of some weird respect for his privacy, but it comes across badly

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I'm still susprised that so many have gone bananas over the changes to what really happened. Cinderella Man, another wonderful "biopic", takes just as many liberties (if not more) with the truth, yet that film did not get pilloried for it. Or at least, I only ever recall praise for the movie. 

 

That said, having watched the film again, I have to agree with this:

 

20 hours ago, Harsin said:

There's also a nasty whiff of Mary Whitehorse style judgmental morality around Mercury's sexuality and lifestyle, staging going to gay clubs like a descent into hell. 

 

Spot on, no escaping that. And it's unfair. Also, the film has the heterosexual "girlfriend" coming to rescue him from the "nasty gay man". I mean, come on. 

 

But I still love the movie overall, and can forgive the liberties it takes. 

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2 hours ago, Thor said:

I'm still susprised that so many have gone bananas over the changes to what really happened. Cinderella Man, another wonderful "biopic", takes just as many liberties (if not more) with the truth, yet that film did not get pilloried for it. Or at least, I only ever recall praise for the movie. 

 

That said, having watched the film again, I have to agree with this:

 

 

Spot on, no escaping that. And it's unfair. Also, the film has the heterosexual "girlfriend" coming to rescue him from the "nasty gay man". I mean, come on. 

 

But I still love the movie overall, and can forgive the liberties it takes. 

I think people give this a harder time when it comes to changes because there was such a good story there in the first place that it didn’t need changes. They’ve no doubt made a very enjoyable film, but it could have been a great one. But that was never going to happen with May and Taylor in control. No biopic stands a chance when some of the subjects are present and calling the shots.

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On ‎10‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 10:01, Gord said:

I'm struggling to find much detail about the poor accuracy in Cinderella man - can you direct me to s source?

 

What do you love about the movie and do you feel telling the story accurately would have changed your opinion?

My opinion of Cinderella Man?  No, but I guess we'll never know. Also, the details for that movie's differences are in the extras on the disc. 

 

Paddy Considine's character - a major role in the movie - is complete fiction, he was made up for dramatic effect. Mae Braddock in the movie is almost nothing like the real-life Mae Braddock other than not watching the fights and the famous line "every time he gets hit, feels like I'm getting hit too" - in the film she is wildly disapproving of Jim's boxing, especially his big title fight with Baer. The truth is the opposite, while she couldn't watch his fights, she loved him being a boxer, and was a constant source of encouragement for Jim throughout his career.

 

Then there's Joe Gould, who in the movie had to sell all his belongings to fund Braddock's comeback. Not true, though he did loan Jim some money to stop his electricity being cut off. And as for Max Baer, the filmmakers sheepishly admitted Baer got a raw deal in the film. Baer wasn''t anywhere near the obnoxious cunt he's made out to be in the movie, especially the jibe to Mae about potentially being a widow after the fight, but every movie needs a villain...

 

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It was worth the price of admission alone, just to see the Live Aid gig from an entirely different perspective.  By that time, Malek had taken me along far enough with him for me to totally go with it for that last 20 minutes.  Magic stuff under less magic stuff. 

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I've seen this now.  I think I have.  I just don't know it was the same film everyone else saw.

 

I found it massively entertaining.  Really funny.  It's like a long episode of "Star Stories".

 

How anyone can take this as a serious drama I just don't know.  It's a cartoon script with cartoon performances.

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