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ZOK's pretty much nailed it but I dunno. I was definitely fucked over by several films throughout my life and they definitely 'affected' me, but I wouldn't say I was traumatised by them to anywhere near the degree things in my *actual life* have traumatised me. And it sounds like you're traumatised by the idea so maybe, without trying to sound like a patronising cunt, the responsibility lies with you to come to terms with why such ideas are so upsetting? That's the way I feel about media outrage full stop, if I'm perfectly honest. The offendee has the problem, not the media artefact. And yeah, Man Bites Dog was a big 'cannot unsee' moment for me too, but at the same time, I found it hardened me by making me question my reaction to it, rather than be fearful of what I'd seen and let it become overwhelming.

Also, I personally flip out massively over any cruelty-to-animals story I read and really couldn't stomach a film that's 90 mins of killing kittens, but as long as the kittens aren't being harmed, I'm fine with the film existing and I'm fine with people watching it.

That's kind of how I feel too though. I'm not saying the film shouldn't exist necessarily, and nor would I berate anyone here for watching it (Blunkett, you're a love, but I think you've gone a bit over the top), but that doesn't mean I can't find the whole thing upsetting as a concept (which would be my "problem", I suppose). In a way, I'd have thought my reaction was the normal one, or the one it was intended to elicit? I dare say my imagination is worse than the film anyway.

That doesn't mean the "art" isn't beyond criticism though, and all reports on this film seem to suggest that it really doesn't have much to say at all in terms of being a metaphor for anything, and is just an out and out attempt to shock. I find that a bit hard to accept, personally. At least "that" scene in Man Bites Dog has a very specific point, so as much as I found it upsetting, it justifies itself completely.

I certainly don't wish to feel "hardened" by this sort of thing though, I'm happy the way I am ta! :lol:

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Isn't it basically an extended essay on the authoritarian personality, though? - Demonstated through the horror of what the protogonist is prepared to do. That seems like a perfectly good reason to make a film like this, especially in a country with the recent history of Serbia .

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A man delivering a baby and then fucking it. All in graphic detail and with really, really fucking horrible sound.

Now that just sounds like the director went out of his way to think of the most outrageous thing to do. Surely.

I love gore, but honestly.

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Just watched this and it's fucking grim.

It's the nastiest film I've seen and I love shit like the Saw and Hostel movies. This much darker and grittier than Hollywood torture porn.

The 'newborn porn' scene is vile but I think people are thinking it's worse than it actually is.

If you really want to criticise the film then I think you should watch it all the way through and make up your own mind about it. Rather than getting all Daily Mail about it.

I don't think I'll ever watch it again.

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With slightly more ease than fucking an older boy, based on how they're both shown in the film.

But is there words on the screen? I don't watch films what are in foreign

At least the next time you do an unpleasant or dull job you can think "at least I'm not a man bumming a foetus".

Unless that IS your job. Mr Cochese.

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I often wonder why people who know they're going to get offended by something seek it out only to be offended. Maybe they're trying to understand what it is which offends them or what the motivation behind the film is, but these things tend to get overtaken by outrage really quickly.

I think that whether they like it or not, some people are just drawn to the extreme.

I could say that Toe Tag films appear to make some of the most needlessly sadistic films known to man. Even if the thought of that nebulous term "sadism" disgusts you, can you now avoid ever looking at the Toe Tag website?

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I think its only natural. Its an instinct of humans being explorers in whatever medium or activity they most enjoy.

Its like you being first, or being the best within a group....its that same draw. You've answered your own question though - people are drawn to the extreme.

Its about seeing something new or exciting even if you know it'll horrify of question your own sanity or to boast about to your mates.

Eventually some people realise what they want to see and what not. I don't want to see this anymore i must admit, i've deleted it. But i wanted to see it. I'm NOT going to boast about it though :hmm:

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  • 1 month later...

This just got pulled from Frightfest because the BBFC demanded a total of 49 cuts to grant it a certificate. Either Frightfest or the distributor balked and hence the film was pulled from showing.

I Spit On Your Grave 2010 will screen, but with 17 cuts made.

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Alan Jones who runs frightfest is a friend of mine and he said that they've received death threats and he has been spat on in the street by people who don't want it shown.

I'm not for a second condoning those who have sent letters or even spat, but if he's planning to show the film it's hardly unexpected-he's essentially endorsing a film that, from the perspective of an audience, sounds utterly reprehensible.

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The version that's available right now, is that the uncut version?

Pretty sure it is. No idea the length of the 49 cuts but given what I've read about the film, it could be anything up to 15 minutes worth of footage.

Bit crazy people spitting at the guy in the street though. Sure, you might not like the idea or the content of the film, but that is your choice, that is your tolerance level. I don't fancy seeing the film myself but I wouldn't stop other people watching it.

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If it isn't then I dread to think what the uncut one is like.

Pretty sure it is. No idea the length of the 49 cuts but given what I've read about the film, it could be anything up to 15 minutes worth of footage.

Bit crazy people spitting at the guy in the street though. Sure, you might not like the idea or the content of the film, but that is your choice, that is your tolerance level. I don't fancy seeing the film myself but I wouldn't stop other people watching it.

I'll give it a watch.

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Oh God, I'd forgotten about this and then it pops up as the most recently replied to thread.

Can't we all just ignore it and hope it goes away? Maybe Insin has a script I can use...

Why don't you ignore it and leave it to people that have an interest in discussing it?

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