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I've just watched the baby rape scene plus about 10 minutes of what to me is extreme porn on youtube. So, no I haven't seen it all. I've seen enough though and my comments still stand. I'm not going to watch the full thing because frankly its appalling.

Why did you watch the clip that you watched? Presumably, you knew the content beforehand?

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It's astonishing that people can still be so offended by ideas and descriptions of a fucking FILM when the shit that's depicted in it is probably ACTUALLY happening simultaneously, in several places, right fucking now, somewhere in the world. There's probably worse going on in Brazil or Russia or Africa.

Maybe it's the subliminal shock of realising that possibility that's causing the upset.

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"Moral Outrage" at a fictional film you haven't watched - is ridiculous.

sounds like you have skipped straight to the worst parts - on youtube. how about watching it in the context of the whole film, and then getting outraged.

Otherwise the thing upsetting you is your own imagination, not the reality of what the film maker has put on film.

i havent seen it - and am not going to judge it until i have.

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Because as was clearly stated I'm not allowed to have an opinion when I've not seen it.

Seriously, if I made a 90 minute film which was all about raping 12 year olds would it be OK ? No plot, just 90 minutes of simulated kiddie fiddling. The fact that people are queuing up on here to defend this sums up everything that's gone wrong with this place.

Of course shit like this goes on in the world - I just don't see any justification for creating a film which is a smorgasboard of snuff, baby raping and gore. I'm not all that comfortable being around people that get off on that sort of thing either.

Then you're mega Daily Mail. You're just being reactionary - you hate the idea, so you hate the film. It reads like your morality is making your decision for you and singling out people justifying what is, by any reasonable definition, a piece of art as being 'what's wrong with this place' pretty much seals you as being roughly equivalent to KEEPBRITAINBRITISH29 on The Sun's message board kicking off about assylum seekers. Your example of '90 mins of simulated kiddie fiddling' would be perfectly fucking fine if you can justify it artistically and ideologically. I could probably justify it if I knew anything about you. It's just a fucking movie. You can argue that something as magnificent as COMMANDO is worse than your worst-case-scenario idiocy because in that, loads of poeple actually die. At least abused kids can recover and live relatively normal lives.

Put it this way - I totally buy the notion that Serbia's recent history of brutal horror cinema is tied directly to the horrors the population underwent in the 90s. IN CONTEXT, and giving a cursory fucking look at Serbia's horror output over the last decade, makes a fine corrolation for this. Brutal films like these sound perfectly understandable in way that something like, say, Salo or the Guinea Pig series, aren't anywhere near as easy to justify, particularly when you consider the societies that produced them. What's more, in the overall context of European cinema, this just seems a fairly natural hybrid of US torture horror and Lars Von Trier. I don't think there's anything more offensive in A Serbian Movie than there is in The Idiots.

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You got me there, I was sat there grinning like a loon whilst that scene happened. I wasn't aware you were sat in my living room watching my every reaction during the viewing. In fact, it sounds like you're the fucking mentalist here. Get the fuck out of my flat you borderline psycho.

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It's astonishing that people can still be so offended by ideas and descriptions of a fucking FILM when the shit that's depicted in it is probably ACTUALLY happening simultaneously, in several places, right fucking now, somewhere in the world. There's probably worse going on in Brazil or Russia or Africa.

Maybe it's the subliminal shock of realising that possibility that's causing the upset.

It's all just very upsetting, the entire notion of it - that it might actually happen IRL, that someone might film it to look like it was actually happening, that an actor had to film it, that someone had to rig up whatever special effects were involved, that someone thought of it in the first place. The whole thing just makes me want to weep.

I keep waiting for someone to say "Actually, it's not quite what you think", but all the reports are that it's very graphic and upsetting. The very thought of it has been playing on my mind for days now, so the last thing I'm going to do is watch it, but I'd love to hear some sort of reassurance about it, because it's doing my head in, frankly.

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Calling me Daily Mail ?

Fuck off you cunt. You utter, utter cunt. Fuck you, fuck this place.

NICE ARGUMENT, BRO.

It's all just very upsetting, the entire notion of it - that it might actually happen IRL, that someone might film it to look like it was actually happening, that an actor had to film it, that someone had to rig up whatever special effects were involved, that someone thought of it in the first place. The whole thing just makes me want to weep.

Davros, this itself is quite upsetting to read - you really shouldn't let a film bother you this much. Can't you get the corrolation and understand why someone might want to express a decade of personal trauma on a scale 99% of us cannot imagine via the most shocking film they could conceive of?

At the very least, just consider it a particularly hardcore form of trolling.

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Davros, this itself is quite upsetting to read - you really shouldn't let a film bother you this much. Can't you get the corrolation and understand why someone might want to express a decade of personal trauma on a scale 99% of us cannot imagine via the most shocking film they could conceive of?

At the very least, just consider it a particularly hardcore form of trolling.

I don't know, I'm struggling to see how this film might actually be trying to do that, from the reviews and impressions I've read. The trolling perspective seems more fitting, and lord knows I hate trolling.

I'm well aware I'm quite sensitive about violence, but this is something I just wish I'd never even heard about, just as I wish I could go back and un-watch that scene in Man Bites Dog. I mean, you say don't let it affect you as it's "just a film", but isn't that the intention, for it to affect people?

It feels designed to deliberately upset people, as opposed to being something which just happened and which is perhaps naturally upsetting.

Is that not the case?

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what if the constant raping of 12 year olds was in fact a clever metaphor for international capitalism.

I'm imagining your avatar as Blunkett's face while reading his posts. It's good!

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i find the idea of people outraged/upset by the context of this film hanging out in this thread a bit bizarre tbh.

people were throughly outraged by the evil dead's tree rape scene once upon a time. it sure sounds bad on paper, but the reality of the thing is laughably dated and a tad naff.

the stuff in this film sounds very extreme - but without actually seeing it how can anyone understand the context or intent?

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It feels designed to deliberately upset people, as opposed to being something which just happened and which is perhaps naturally upsetting.

Is that not the case?

Plenty of art aspires to that reaction. It's entirely legitimate.

I'm no fan of gore, and wouldn't choose to watch this film as described, but some reactions here are pretty screwy. It's a film, and no more real than it would be if you imagined all the scenes yourself. It doesn't suggest anything about society, or rllmuk (!), other than what already exists.

Don't worry kids, oblivion is as close as it ever was.

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I don't know, I'm struggling to see how this film might actually be trying to do that, from the reviews and impressions I've read. The trolling perspective seems more fitting, and lord knows I hate trolling.

I'm well aware I'm quite sensitive about violence, but this is something I just wish I'd never even heard about, just as I wish I could go back and un-watch that scene in Man Bites Dog. I mean, you say don't let it affect you as it's "just a film", but isn't that the intention, for it to affect people?

It feels designed to deliberately upset people, as opposed to being something which just happened and which is perhaps naturally upsetting.

Is that not the case?

ZOK's pretty much nailed it but I dunno. I was definitely fucked over by several films throughout my life and they definitely 'affected' me, but I wouldn't say I was traumatised by them to anywhere near the degree things in my *actual life* have traumatised me. And it sounds like you're traumatised by the idea so maybe, without trying to sound like a patronising cunt, the responsibility lies with you to come to terms with why such ideas are so upsetting? That's the way I feel about media outrage full stop, if I'm perfectly honest. The offendee has the problem, not the media artefact. And yeah, Man Bites Dog was a big 'cannot unsee' moment for me too, but at the same time, I found it hardened me by making me question my reaction to it, rather than be fearful of what I'd seen and let it become overwhelming.

Also, I personally flip out massively over any cruelty-to-animals story I read and really couldn't stomach a film that's 90 mins of killing kittens, but as long as the kittens aren't being harmed, I'm fine with the film existing and I'm fine with people watching it.

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That's exactly why I watched it. Wish I hadn't. It actually depressed me.

Maybe the answer to the riddle is in there somewhere?

Personally, I find the whole Mel Gibson thing far more upsetting than the idea of this film, as it's real people, who are genuinely disturbed, getting pored over by the internet and media for the gratification of voyeurs.

This film - well, it's just fantasy.

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I thought this wasn't too bad. Not quite sure how people could faint. Maybe that's because I've seen much, much worse on the internet though :lol:

You MONSTER!

No I wasn't even remotely shocked by it. Probably because I'd already read about the scenes and when you imagine them you imagine the real thing whereas in the film it's just gore pish. Like I've said already the film is terrible, desperate and terrible.

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I've just watched the baby rape scene plus about 10 minutes of what to me is extreme porn on youtube. So, no I haven't seen it all. I've seen enough though and my comments still stand. I'm not going to watch the full thing because frankly its appalling.

I've just had a look, there's nothing on youtube bar the trailer and an interview with the director. Besides, why would you watch that scene in isolation - you get yourself all worked up even more, and to justify your outrage?

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