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Surely the term 'Rhythm and Blues' came decades before 'New Jack Swing'?

Surely that's R&B as opposed to RnB which seems to be an umbrella term for any modern black soul music post-New Jack Swing?

Well no, because by that argument, those three RnB tunes I just posted would be all be rap music. As would Manchild by Neneh Cherry, etc.

It's a dumb argument!

Lots of non-hip hop tracks that people would call rap music though. Hence why I believe them to be very different things. Songs by Dr Alban some would call rap music. It's not hip hop though is it.

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Venice Cull

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3D co-wrote 'Manchild', Mushroom worked on the album and obviously she was hanging around with loads of the other Bristol guys at the time too (hence the Wild Bunch namecheck in 'Buffalo Stance'). I'm guessing you're probably aware of that, but it's not like they had nothing to do with that track then scooped up the accolades later for ploughing a similar furrow which is kind of how that reads.

Nope, not at all. I do like Massive. I guess I was trying to suggest it's a bit of a 'forgotten' track really when the trip hop scene a few years later blew up and was taken a bit more seriously.

Surely that's R&B as opposed to RnB which seems to be an umbrella term for any modern black soul music post-New Jack Swing?

Ok, yeah, I was getting kinda confused. I see what's been eluded to now.

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Wasn't it Krs One who said that Hip Hop was the 4 elements; rapping, graffiti, b-boying and djing so rap is just one of those elements not the whole or something. Not that graf and b-boying were ever that much to do with hip hop, they just happened to come out of the same environment at the same time

It doesn't really matter anyway because its 2015 and who cares anymore.

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Wasn't it Krs One who said that Hip Hop was the 4 elements; rapping, graffiti, b-boying and djing so rap is just one of those elements not the whole or something. Not that graf and b-boying were ever that much to do with hip hop, they just happened to come out of the same environment at the same time

It doesn't really matter anyway because its 2015 and who cares anymore.

Yeah, Hip Hop became the umbrella term for those disciplines and they were wed together to form the culture. That didn't really come from KRS1 though, its just an historic fact. Bambaata probably played a significant part in defining that.

Read this recently - really excellent book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cant-Stop-Wont-History-Generation/dp/0312425791

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"Rap music" is a bit "Computer games" in my head.

Totally this. Although in IRL conversations, I tend to call the type of music discussed in this thread as "rap," likewise computer games. I've never referred to games as "video games" out loud, IRL.

I used to get quite uppity about hip-hop vs rap, but I think as I've gotten older and, by extension, more nostalgic, I just like to use the term "rap" as a catch-all term, just like I did when I was a wee boy, seeing De La Soul and Run DMC videos on TV and all that. It was all rap, and not really hip-hop until I started becoming an enthusiast and a scholar of the genre, watching Wild Style on VHS and buying graf mags 10 years after they were relevant. Maybe it's an association thing, but I find calling it "hip-hop" is a little more pretentious than just saying "rap." The word "rap" sounds cool as fuck. It's punchy and fun, while "hip-hop" is quite a silly word, often used by staunch, po-faced blowhards, despite the silly onomatopoeic name. Same goes for "computer games" vs "video games" for me.

Interesting debate :mellow:

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Yeah, Hip Hop became the umbrella term for those disciplines and they were wed together to form the culture. That didn't really come from KRS1 though, its just an historic fact. Bambaata probably played a significant part in defining that.

Read this recently - really excellent book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cant-Stop-Wont-History-Generation/dp/0312425791

Yeah that book is really great.

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I couldn't call DJ Shadow's Entroducing 'Rap' - but that's the kind of thing that pumps my nads (toss in Ninja Tunes and all that) - and the term 'rap' just isn't appropriate - so I do tell people I'm a Hip Hop guy if I'm ever asked what I listen to.

Covers the spectrum of what I dig nicely.

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Aw yeah, I forgot about DJ Shadow. Nah, I wouldn't call that stuff rap either. Ach, I dunno. It's all about context.

If only there was a term that covered rapping, and turntablism, and breakbeat/scratching music and all that….

I'll have to read that, cheers for the recommendation.

I promise you'll enjoy it. Report back. Some incredible revelations, bad luck stories and corporate manipulation shenanigans.

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'Hey everybody, let's listen to some rap music!'

*Camel dives for It's My Life cassingle*

Ha yes. Very good.

The R&B chart came into existence in 1958.

Pretty young thing at the club: "Hey DJ, can you play some RnB?"

*ZOK throws on Johhny B Goode*

If only there was a term that covered rapping, and turntablism, and breakbeat/scratching music and all that….

Well, exactly. Rap music indeed.

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