Modern Warfare 2

[Naysonymous]

Aye, I cant see the point in Akimbo-ing a weapon that is designed to be used down the sights. Shotguns or the fully automatic weapons, yes. I can even see an argument for Magnums or DEagles because the initial damage is so high, but the Raffica just strikes me as a much stronger gun if you can get a bead on your target first. Its awesome for lighting up people who allow themselves to be silhouetted by a window frame. I got multiple long shots with my Raffica when I had it. Cant wait to be level enough to get it again really, it will compliment my UMP kit beautifully.

[Balbarian741]

Aye, I cant see the point in Akimbo-ing a weapon that is designed to be used down the sights. Shotguns or the fully automatic weapons, yes. I can even see an argument for Magnums or DEagles because the initial damage is so high, but the Raffica just strikes me as a much stronger gun if you can get a bead on your target first. Its awesome for lighting up people who allow themselves to be silhouetted by a window frame. I got multiple long shots with my Raffica when I had it. Cant wait to be level enough to get it again really, it will compliment my UMP kit beautifully.

Yeah I know but I like the fact that you don't even need to have commando enabled where surprise short range encounters are concerned where you want to guarantee a kill and not miss as can sometimes happen with knife kills and some of the slower to reload shotguns like the SPAS 12 and the Striker. Also if you like the noise of one going off then you'll just die for two of the things

Also if you already have something long ranged enough such as a sniper equipped then you don't really need a Raffica to be accurate enough such that you can aim down the sights - not that they would obviously be useless relative to the other machine pistols in this regard and especially if your primary weapon is one of the shorter range submachine guns.

Just ZOK out of curiosity these won't work in last stand even with one will they - it only applies to handguns doesn't it?

[idiwa]

Never used the FAMAS in game.... But is it not a standard 25 round magazine in real life? Not a 30 round. Or am I full of shite.

[Naysonymous]

Never used the FAMAS in real life (odd that, isnt it?)

Wikipedia says it was originally designed with a 25 round magazine, but when it was updated to bring it into line with the NATO standardisation agreement in the nineties (stanag) then it moved to a 30 round one.

And @Balbarian, what I am trying to say is that I see the Raffica as a precision weapon, which is where it shines. If I were going to akimbo something, then it would be one of the SMG's (probably the UMP for raw firepower, or the P90 for the huge clip so I can spray like a motherfucker) or the Shotguns (almost always guaranteed to hit). If I were going to Akimbo a secondary then it would be one of the fully automatic Machine Pistols like the Glock, again, so I could spray like a motherfucker. I just think the Raffica's strengths arent really as an Akimbo weapon, other guns are much more suitable.

[Balbarian741]

I totally get what you mean. Don't get me wrong I like using akimbo sub machine guns like the P90 as much as the next guy. Perhaps it was just the initial thrill of having seen them be combined that went to my head or something. I think it was partly down to the fact that I don't like having to many non automatic or automatic weapons and me liking a balance in my load out. For instance I don't like the idea of using a mini uzi and something like the TMP as this will and has left me vulnerable to long range attackers in the past - as a sidenote does anyone use the TMP on a regular basis? As personally I can't tolerate the low ammo in the rounds it allows you even with Scavenger enabled.

I also see your argument about there being much more efficient fully automatic secondary weapons at my disposal and the sole effectiveness of something like the Raffica being at long range whilst having a shorter range weapon in primary. Akimbo-ing them is pretty much equivalent to akimbo-ing a sniper which I would never dream of doing anyway even if the game let me.

[Pob]

What does the Bling icon/green line mean next to the 1887 on that gun chart?

If that chart is accurate, it explains why I have so much luck with the FAMAS and thermal scope at long range. Utterly deadly on Wasteland.

[p1nseeker]

What does the Bling icon/green line mean next to the 1887 on that gun chart?

IW nerfed the range of the akimbo 1887s in a recent patch, but for some reason the patch didn't affect the range if you have bling pro with FMJ.

[Petrousgyre]

Always a big fan of the ACOG in COD4 but it never felt right in MW2, started using it again with the FAMAS a few nights ago and stuck it on the UMP45 last night. An ACOG sight on a UMP45 is an extraordinarily flexible weapon, at close range you're about as powerful as a shotgun. At medium range you're on a par with assault rifles, provided you crouch, and with an ACOG you're still useful at relatively long range provided you crouch/prone and fire off single shots. On top of it all it's an SMG so you're effectively given lightweight as a free perk. It requires a little discipline to use effectively but boy, it's an absolute monster when you get it right.

[Naysonymous]

[Sir DangerM]

Is there a list of stats for reload speed, time it takes to look down the sights, hip fire accuracy etc...?

[Naysonymous]

Some of the damage stats on that are incorrect. (Silenced LMG's & Raffica) but everything else is fine as far as I know.

RPM is rounds per minute.

ADS is aim down sights.

I never figured out what ADD is.

[Petrousgyre]

I never figured out what ADD is.

Time to reload with clips in the chamber as opposed to a full reload - as far as I know.

Also, ACOG - is that .44 + existing ADS time or are all ACOGs simply 0.44 secs?

[Looper]

Going by those charts, why would you ever use a sniper rifle other then the M21 EBR once you've unlocked it? It does as much damage, loads pretty fast and has fuck all recoil.

[p1nseeker]

I find it hard to believe that the Barrett and Intervention do the same damage as the others. I definately find that they take people down in one shot way more often than the WA2000 & M21.

[snowbind]

Never used the FAMAS in real life (odd that, isnt it?)

Wikipedia says it was originally designed with a 25 round magazine, but when it was updated to bring it into line with the NATO standardisation agreement in the nineties (stanag) then it moved to a 30 round one.

And @Balbarian, what I am trying to say is that I see the Raffica as a precision weapon, which is where it shines. If I were going to akimbo something, then it would be one of the SMG's (probably the UMP for raw firepower, or the P90 for the huge clip so I can spray like a motherfucker) or the Shotguns (almost always guaranteed to hit). If I were going to Akimbo a secondary then it would be one of the fully automatic Machine Pistols like the Glock, again, so I could spray like a motherfucker. I just think the Raffica's strengths arent really as an Akimbo weapon, other guns are much more suitable.

The raffica is pretty much a pocket Famas. Akimo really nerfs its main advantages.

[Naysonymous]

Hit modifiers. The Barrett and Intervention have a higher modifier, the chart I linked was put out very soon after the game was released and has some inaccuracies. The one on the previous page is better. This one was linked purely for ads times.

[Soi]

Going by those charts, why would you ever use a sniper rifle other then the M21 EBR once you've unlocked it? It does as much damage, loads pretty fast and has fuck all recoil.

Because without SP, the M21 EBR is only a one shot kill to the head. Look at the multipliers.

All the snipers are quite different, and are arguably the most balanced of the different weapon sets.

In my view, the M21 EBR makes most sense with a silencer without SP (SP and a silencer on this gun is pointless). It will be a two hit kill always, but with the silencer and Cold Blooded you can snipe without fear of detection.

With SP, the Intervention and Barrat are always one hit kills. Which is good, as making two shots with them is hard.

SP doesn't benefit the WA2000 if no silencer is used (head/torso is a one hit kill, body is two). With a silencer, the x1.1 body multiplier for the Intervention and the Barrat doesn't do anything even with SP (50 x 1.4 x 1.1 = 77), so you might as well use the lower recoil WA2000 if you are going for silencer and SP.

So:

With SP, loud: Intervention and Barrat are the "best"

With SP, silenced: the WA2000 is "best".

Without SP, loud: the WA2000 is "best"

Without SP, silenced: the M21 is "best"

"Best" being based purely on the maths, of course.

[Gigga]

What does the Bling icon/green line mean next to the 1887 on that gun chart?

If that chart is accurate, it explains why I have so much luck with the FAMAS and thermal scope at long range. Utterly deadly on Wasteland.

Since I started using the Famas with Thermal, Slight of hand, Stopping power and Steady aim my game has improved loads. The FAMAS with thermal is deadly.

[Vemsie]

Some peope are crazy good with the Intervention, to the extent that they don't even use the scope and are racking up kills by shooting the damn thing from the hip.

[Pob]

Because without SP, the M21 EBR is only a one shot kill to the head. Look at the multipliers.

All the snipers are quite different, and are arguably the most balanced of the different weapon sets.

In my view, the M21 EBR makes most sense with a silencer without SP (SP and a silencer on this gun is pointless). It will be a two hit kill always, but with the silencer and Cold Blooded you can snipe without fear of detection.

With SP, the Intervention and Barrat are always one hit kills. Which is good, as making two shots with them is hard.

SP doesn't benefit the WA2000 if no silencer is used (head/torso is a one hit kill, body is two). With a silencer, the x1.1 body multiplier for the Intervention and the Barrat doesn't do anything even with SP (50 x 1.4 x 1.1 = 77), so you might as well use the lower recoil WA2000 if you are going for silencer and SP.

So:

With SP, loud: Intervention and Barrat are the "best"

With SP, silenced: the WA2000 is "best".

Without SP, loud: the WA2000 is "best"

Without SP, silenced: the M21 is "best"

"Best" being based purely on the maths, of course.

Excellent. That really clears up the differences between the sniper rifles. It's basically a choice between one-hit kills and loud, or two hit kills and stealthy.

I think I'll be using the M21 then. I assume that's most similar to COD4's Dragunov? I really hate the recoil on the Barrett, and I'm not accurate enough to get headshots anyway.

[Kingpin]

I hate the thermal scopes - slow to aim, you need to have a target before aiming etc etc

The only way I could think to use them is with scavenger, smoke grenades and possibly with ninja and cold blooded.

Can anyone explain to me the error of my ways? I just don't get it

[Pob]

I hate the thermal scopes - slow to aim, you need to have a target before aiming etc etc

The only way I could think to use them is with scavenger, smoke grenades and possibly with ninja and cold blooded.

Can anyone explain to me the error of my ways? I just don't get it

They're great - slight of hand takes away the ADS disadvantage, but I find I don't even need that now. Not sure what you mean about targetting before aiming. It hard to track moving targets and use them on the fly, but if you use it to cover known camping spots/corners, it's deadly. Especially on Wasteland where people tend to lie in the grass, thinking they are hidden.

[Naysonymous]

Odd game of FFA just. Two Chopper Gunners, Two AC 130's, three Harriers and a legit (I think) Nuke. I didnt encounter the guy who got the Nuke at any point during the game (Skidrow) but he went 33-12 and he didnt get the most kills of same person award at the end. I was going for 100 melee kills with commando equipped, and I was just holding down one side of the map, the side near the laundrette, but I noticed the air support wasnt getting shot down. I probably didnt help as I had cold blooded on and didnt get killed by it once, though I did knife several people who were pointing launchers at the sky. Again, I seem to be getting lots of 5/6 kill streaks in FFA but nothing better. I called in two Predator missiles but didnt get the Harrier either time. Not that I cared, I got 15k from challenges (100 melee kills with commando, 50 Predator missiles called in) and I finished with a very respectable score of 18-7, one of the 7 deaths was from the Nuke.

Need 50 kills without reply to finally get K/D to 1.0, need 200 kills with my UMP for 20k XP and the new icon.

Using these at the moment.

[myoozikk]

i'm rocking...

[Michael J Glocks]

So:

With SP, loud: Intervention and Barrat are the "best"

With SP, silenced: the WA2000 is "best".

Without SP, loud: the WA2000 is "best"

Without SP, silenced: the M21 is "best"

"Best" being based purely on the maths, of course.

I started using an M21 with silencer and ACOG (and Cold Blooded) when working towards Bling Pro*, and it's a pretty good stealth class. Tap tap and they're dead from across the map. The downside is you've only got enough ammo for fifteen kills, assuming you never miss.

*For the 1887, when I get around to unlocking it again.

p.s.

[Swallow]

I unlocked a wicked M. Bison-esque hat yesterday which I shall keep as my emblem for ever.

[Choo]

I think it's also worth noting that hit boxes/hit detection is slightly different between the snipers (which isn't indicated on the charts). From experience the Intervention seems to be slightly better than the Barrett for connecting those twitchy 'while they're running' shots. I could be horribly wrong as i'm basing this assumption on the fact that cod4 had different hit boxes (the R700 was horrible because of it and the M40 was too good).

[Hello Goaty ♥]

what do you have to complete to get the mario logo?

[Blue]

[Timmo]

what do you have to complete to get the mario logo?

10 kill streak with all your streak bonuses unequipped.