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In the first ep I found Theroux's insistence on trying to get the far right guys to accept the 'white nationalist' label very odd. He acknowledges at the end that it's just semantics and it's not the label that matters, but that's after spending a whole episode trying to get some gotcha moment out of it.

 

To me the guys involved were all either a bit thick, cynically motivated by the money they were making pandering to this crowd, or a combination of the two. I'd have liked to see Louis press at how much the money is motivating them and pushing them to even more extreme positions for the attention it generates. 

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I was shocked to hear 9lokknine had a diss track about me in the last episode, and I am certainly going to have to pen some rhymes in response.

 

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?

In this neighbourhood you hold no sway

The cops are coming for you, come what may

For murder and stuff, and probably affray

 

That'll teach him.

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Because they know it's conceding that they're actually racist and not just trolling/joking/messing around.

 

I only caught about 15 mins towards the end of the show, but that seemed to be where these guys liked to hide. Yes these things are things I actually think, but also I'm just joking you liberal snowflake. I'm not racist, I'm just saying racist things for fun, that I do actually believe.

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I expect they have a particular image of a white nationalist - skinhead, tattooed, Hitler-supporting - and feel that because they don't conform to that, they must be something else. Kinda like how some people like to say they're not racist because they're not physically or verbally attacking people of colour, but still manage to not-so-privately hold very racist views.

 

Edit: also the "joking" thing for the likes of Baked Alaska. Fuentes still tries to reject the label and there's no intended trolling in anything he's doing.

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Nobody wants to admit to being something if it's socially unacceptable to do so, i.e. all those "I'm sick of being called a racist just because I think [racist thing]" comments you get in right-wing newspapers and on Question Time, etc. People on rllmuk will reject the label of Tory even if they seem to support the Conservative's policies and goals; there have never been any Tories on rllmuk, they've all "voted for all the parties at some point in the past", or "look at policies, not parties".

 

The whole aim of people like Nick Fuentes seems to be to rehabilitate the image of white nationalists and anti-immigration parties, so he's presumably not going to admit to being one; he's the young, dynamic face of the exciting new world of American Nationalism, rather than the boring, hateful world of white nationalism.

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58 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Because they know it's conceding that they're actually racist and not just trolling/joking/messing around.

 

I only caught about 15 mins towards the end of the show, but that seemed to be where these guys liked to hide. Yes these things are things I actually think, but also I'm just joking you liberal snowflake. I'm not racist, I'm just saying racist things for fun, that I do actually believe.

 

The actual Nazis used do the same thing. It was always a 'joke' or a pose that you were an idiot for really believing they thought.

 

It's a safety thing, they use it to get away with awful beliefs and not be challenged. That was clearly evidenced with the wanker with the Nazi dog salute a few years ago - everyone knew what his beliefs were but he could do the Richard Littlejohn thing of hands out with shrugged shoulders going "look what the stupid liberal wokesters think of a dog joke!!!1"

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1 hour ago, K said:

 

The whole aim of people like Nick Fuentes seems to be to rehabilitate the image of white nationalists and anti-immigration parties, so he's presumably not going to admit to being one; he's the young, dynamic face of the exciting new world of American Nationalism, rather than the boring, hateful world of white nationalism.

 

Which is why McBeardyballs got so huffy when Louis pointed out the Nazi salute. The whole idea of the conference is to reinvent themselves as not-Nazi  -"you had one job..."

 

Didn't think a lot of the latest episode. An interesting subculture for sure, but he covered it better before, and the people in this one were just so damn inarticulate Louis pretty much had to put the words into their mouths for them (weird really seeing as they were rappers).

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A few of them didn't even really seem to have thought about the meaning of the lyrics that they had written. I'm not a fan of rap but it seemed like this was a very formulaic approach to doing it. Also those diamond teeth looked horrendous.

 

On a sidenote I watched the Louis meets Keith Harris episode last night - such good fun. I miss Louis doing that sort of stuff. 

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This week's episode was a bit... I don't really know what Louis was expecting to get from it. Theres a young rap genre that has exploded and basically has all the problems of the society it comes from magnified. And that's it. It's basically America has a poverty/drug/gang problem. No shit.

 

As for the genre itself, I'm not a huge rap fan but I can appreciate the musicianship of it, and even the weaker end things is often a masterclass of production. This... There's some talent there, the side that is basically poetry is surprisingly deep and raw, but then it's put over really naff sub-bedroom beats and most of the songs seem to be childish beef and diss stuff. I don't really get it.

 

I believe it's got a decent base in the UK now with a lot of guys getting recognition for trap inspired stuff. How much its entangled with gang stuff here I've no idea though.

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All those rappers. I must be getting old as they all came across as talentless wankers who would rather be gangsters, but really don't have the brains to even do that. Special prize to the moron who gets a contract with Atlantic then gets caught with a gun and back to prison he goes. What a dipshit. The guy wafting his money around. The twat with the tattoos on his face doing a drug deal while wearing a microphone. Mind boggling. 

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On the whole felt that was a pretty disappointing trio of episodes. Interesting in places, but largely just voyeuristic without any real merit.

 

Hope Louis leaves America alone for a bit just to freshen up his act.

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The porn episode was rubbish. 

 

I felt like he barely explored the interesting side of the industry (the evolving and changing power mechanics, how performers now have control etc) and instead attempted to (badly) do some 'gotcha' journalism on two creepy sadists, failing miserably with both of them.

 

They both saw through what he was trying to do immediately, put their walls up, and essentially gave totally rubbish interviews as a result.

 

I think Louis is a bit lost, to be honest.

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Yeah, the porn episode barely registered with me, I don't think I was paying much attention to it by the end.

 

The first one with the alt right trolls was the best of the three.

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I just don't think the films he's making are relevant anymore, and the problem is him not the subjects.

 

He's not credible enough to make serious or hard hitting documentaries. For me he is always bogged down by being the Weird Weekends bloke (which I loved) and the 'Louis meets' - they were all great for their time but he never managed to move on into the subjects he's now trying to cover.

 

He's always going to be a geeky & awkward outsider, it's his personality,  but at his age and with his experiences can't carry off the faux naive any more and it comes across as very false and a bit odd. He is also rarely willing to push or take a position, it comes to something when somebody like Ross Kemp seems far more credible (though I haven't watched anything by him in a few years).

 

I just don't think Louis is relevant anymore, it's all moved on around him and he's not found a new place in the order of things. 

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5 hours ago, Gotters said:

He is also rarely willing to push or take a position, 

 

I think the problem with these new ones is that he was, and the issue is he isn't good at it at all. 

 

The alt-right one for example, when they call him out on trying to get them to admit they are white supremacists and that he is just fixated on the term - it was a totally valid criticism. They absolutely were white supremacists, but they weren't ever going to admit it, so what was the point of him even doing the interview? 

 

He was totally out of his depth attempting to argue with them, but he had painted himself into a corner because how do you platform them without calling it out.

 

Just a total lack of thought.

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7 hours ago, Gotters said:

He's not credible enough to make serious or hard hitting documentaries. For me he is always bogged down by being the Weird Weekends bloke (which I loved) and the 'Louis meets' - they were all great for their time but he never managed to move on into the subjects he's now trying to cover.

 

I think some of his serious documentaries have been excellent. The one about alcoholism has stayed with me, as was the one about the opioid crisis. When he's able to build a relationship with the participants is when he's strongest I think.

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Fortunately, we've got David Farrier, our backup Louis. He doesn't have the baggage that Louis has of being a multi-decade celebrity with tons of money. And, being gay, he's also part of a marginalised group that offers him insight Louis doesn't have.

 

Unfortunately there's no second series of Dark Tourist coming, but hopefully there'll be plenty more from him.

 

As for Louis, i'd be happy to see him explore the more harmless subcultures emerging, through the eyes of a bewildered older white man. But I suspect he's not that interested in the flippant stuff anymore.

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2 hours ago, schmojo said:

Fortunately, we've got David Farrier, our backup Louis. He doesn't have the baggage that Louis has of being a multi-decade celebrity with tons of money. And, being gay, he's also part of a marginalised group that offers him insight Louis doesn't have.

 

Unfortunately there's no second series of Dark Tourist coming, but hopefully there'll be plenty more from him.

 

Not heard of this show, going to check it out, cheers.

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Dark Tourist was really good. Has Farrier made any shows since then? I watched Tickled but I think that’s it. 
 

I check in on his twitter from time to time but more often than not, he’s ranting about NZ things that I have no idea about. 

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Another fan of Dark Tourist; it’s a fascinating series and a real shame the pandemic probably curtailed a follow-up.

 

Agree with the idea of Louis exploring harmless subcultures would be much more enjoyable than the faux journalism he peddled in the most recent BBC episodes.

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8 hours ago, Hanzo the Razor said:

I think he should revisit "The WCW" to see how they are getting on.

To be fair wrestling is quite a good topic I would think. Plenty of serious topics and some light hearted ones as well. Mad that when he visited wcw they were still trying to pretend it was all real (at least some of them). 

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48 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

To be fair wrestling is quite a good topic I would think. Plenty of serious topics and some light hearted ones as well. Mad that when he visited wcw they were still trying to pretend it was all real (at least some of them). 

 

Even more mad that only a couple of years later Vince bought them out for only a million dollars.

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3 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

To be fair wrestling is quite a good topic I would think. Plenty of serious topics and some light hearted ones as well. Mad that when he visited wcw they were still trying to pretend it was all real (at least some of them). 

 

It doesn't have Louis' trademark naivete, but the Vice doc series The Wrestlers is hosted by the singer from Fucked Up, and explores pro wrestling cultures from around the world. It's pretty great.

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