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7 hours ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

Aleste, sounds like another amazing M2 effort but is it worth it if you’ve never played the series? Might be too hard to get over the dated Game Gear presentation without nostalgia driving me. 

 

I don't think I'm entirely immune to the sickness, the look and sound of the one master system game in the collection in particular reminds me a lot of my nes days which I'm probably a bit romantic about, but all I can say is that I'd never played any of these games and they didn't look too exciting to me.

 

I was like you, pretty wary. I watched the shmupjunkie video all the way through and even though he was waxing lyrical and bigging up all the games, I couldn't help but think that they all just looked really boring and old and shit.

Marlew giving it the thumbs up was enough for me to take the risk and give it a try.

 

They're definitely greater than the sum of their parts. There's a magic ingredient in there that keeps you coming back.

Even with the first gg aleste I was thinking "right, this is the shiter in the pack, surely, this'll be the one that I play once and never go back to", but by the end it'd won me over.

 

Especially if you're playing something really hard and ruthless at the same time, there's something really comforting and joyously friendly about these games, you can't help but warm to them.

Can't say it'll be the same for you, but it worked out OK for me.

 

Can you play one of the games via emulation for a few hours to see if you're feeling it?

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Yus! Beat GG Aleste 3 special mode tonight.

I wasn't playing great, missed loads of the secret "perfect" bonus thingies, so I'm not too happy with my current score, but I'm glad to get the clear.

 

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You get a nice shot of the lass doing cosplay as the real Rod Hull at the end.

 

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I don't know if that's just for the roguelitey survival mode or for the main game too, but I don't know if I'm ready for AI in my shmup baddies. It's bad enough when they're mindless drones just following a set course nevermind dodging out the way of your attacks!

This game is gonna be immense!

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In physical shooter release news (probably old news...) Ginga Force and Natsuke Chronicles are available to preorder (PS4) at firstpressgames.com

 

I love seeing the PC shmups @ImmaculateClump that you post up. I don’t have a PC though. I love the idea of playing most of them on original standard def CRT/arcade hardware. Is that a thing at all?

 

Also, I need to get onboard the Mister bandwagon. Fingers crossed if it’s as good as it looks and is indistinguishable from real hw, they port Batrider etc.  It’s the only way I’ll be playing stuff like that and DDP in a cab now that pcb prices are obscenely ridiculous now. 

 

 

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Honestly, I'm completely useless with any sort of technology, but it's really straightforward. If I can do it, anyone can. There are also some really helpful people to ask in the retro folder. It's all based around one board with a fixed spec, so there's nothing to go out of date really. I think my total spend was about £270, so about the price of an Analogue consoles. I couldn't be happier with mine :)

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1 hour ago, Count Buffalos said:

DDP on MiSTer is very good indeed. If you have a VRR monitor or TV it'll even run at the correct frame rate (about 57 fps) I think, which I don't think any other emulator does. A 'training' version has just been released too, which has a level select etc. You won't be disappointed I'm sure :)


I’d want it to put in a cab so it’d be on a CRT. Noticing a few jamma interface boards for the Mister coming out at the min. It’s pretty cool looking hardware.
 

Have stayed away from emulation up to now but skyrocketing pcb costs are pretty much a massive barrier (to playing these games) now. 

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2 hours ago, Count Buffalos said:

Honestly, I'm completely useless with any sort of technology, but it's really straightforward. If I can do it, anyone can. There are also some really helpful people to ask in the retro folder. It's all based around one board with a fixed spec, so there's nothing to go out of date really. I think my total spend was about £270, so about the price of an Analogue consoles. I couldn't be happier with mine :)

 

Nice one, glad to hear it! I'll have to ask around in the retro forum then, because I'm not even sure what kinds of parts it needs, let alone which ones are recommended etc. If I can hook it up to my CRT and plug an arcade stick in I'll probably end up selling off my whole collection. :p

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58 minutes ago, Klatrymadon said:

 

Nice one, glad to hear it! I'll have to ask around in the retro forum then, because I'm not even sure what kinds of parts it needs, let alone which ones are recommended etc. If I can hook it up to my CRT and plug an arcade stick in I'll probably end up selling off my whole collection. :p


Dibs on Batrider just in case you have it. 

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If it's purely arcade games you're after then just be aware that as things stand, the MiSTer is more limited than other platforms. For example, DDP is the only Cave game available at the moment and CPS-1 is as far as the Capcom catalogue currently goes. There are no Taoplan, Eighting or Raizing games on there at the moment and I've not read that they're being worked on.

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5 hours ago, geldra said:

I love the idea of playing most of them on original standard def CRT/arcade hardware. Is that a thing at all?

 

Yeah, people do that. Blue Revolver even has a "kiosk mode" that you can enable when you're running it in a cab to stop people changing the settings and stuff.

 

Software emulation still edging it for me for the foreseeable, but yeah, definitely keeping an eye on the whole mister thing.

 

I had all the gear in my cart a few months ago, was very close to diving in, but I talked myself out of it.

Don't really have the free time for fun tinkering at the minute and shmupmame and the newer nippy version of mame I've got have got me covered for everything, it all just works and it's nice and nippy.

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Oh, I'm definitely interested in console games too - there's a lot of SFC/MD/Saturn/PS1/PS2 stuff any sensible adult would have downsized by now. ;)

 

But yeah, if arcade support is still early-days I'll probably hang fire for a bit. Thanks for the info, all!

 

Ed: hah, I don't have Batrider any more, but I did once! A guy on this very forum sent me a PM about 15 years ago telling me where I could grab a board for £80. Sadly, I don't currently have a supergun or any PCBs. Living on ports!

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13 minutes ago, Klatrymadon said:

 

Ed: hah, I don't have Batrider any more, but I did once! A guy on this very forum sent me a PM about 15 years ago telling me where I could grab a board for £80. Sadly, I don't currently have a supergun or any PCBs. Living on ports!


same, had all the pcbs that are now worth $$$$$$. :facepalm:

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I was looking into PCBs but the price just makes it something I couldn't really enjoy too much, really. I could indeed buy a few boards (mr money bags over here), especially as holidays are unlikely for the forseeable... but it's gone into silly "collector" money, pretty much. Same with a lot of "retro" gaming now. Don't get me wrong, I have my own little shelf with some of my favourite games on it, that I don't play every day, but now that huge numbers of people 30yo+ have the cash to drive up prices of the games of their youth, we're seeing some silly stuff going on. 

 

Anyway, back to STG (I dislike "Shmups" but meh), I recently got myself a "new" monitor (shown in my previous post) the Dell U2715H, which rotates like one I had ten years ago, but this has a lovely panel. My previous Samsung was 4K but a cheap TN panel that looked good only when horizontal and at dead-on viewing angles. It also couldn't do 720p for some reason, meaning I couldn't play Metal Gear Rising on my Jap PS3. Also, for the record, the fonts were honestly too small. High res looks brilliant for my photography, and movies and what not, but is actually a pain in the eyes when using one all day to work on documents. Back on topic. Part of me still wants to get myself some kind of TATE CRT because... well it looks so bloody good doesn't it? But, I just got myself this monitor, so. Yeah. Plus some CRTs are ugly, and prices are all over the place, and they weigh a tonne... but perhaps I will get one.

 

I am very interested in the MiSTer as a kind of Supergun replacement. Rather than shell out loads of money for random PCBs (or my favourites) I would love to have a MiSTer setup that allows me to play Neo Geo and essentially those CAVE STG we all know and love, plus Taoplan and yeah, everything.

 

A question to@Count Buffalos — what did you get, and where from? The thing with these modular things is that there's a risk you buy like 90% of something and miss a key component, or you overspend/or get the wrong add-on, or something. Any tips appreciated!

 

Reading and watching stuff, it seems that Freesync isn't essential, as many monitors can work at different framerates these days, and freesync is a variable thing. So, I guess if you load DDP on a non-freesync monitor... it might work, at that fixed rate. My "new" monitor doesn't have it, but i think the work Samsung monitor does, but. I would again want to play TATE, even though this screen is not 4:3 of course.

 

All this farting around. I should 1cc the damn games before I worry about framerates and TATE I suppose, but I enjoy them nevertheless!

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I suppose you can just look at buying those things as an investment. The price is only ever gonna go up, but it's still a risky investment. I'd be scared stiff of something going wrong.

 

It'd be just my luck that when it was my turn to look after the school hamster, the ruddy thing would decide to give up the ghost.

 

I've always dreamt of owning an arcade cabinet, but I think if it did ever happen, it'd have a mister or a little pc stuffed inside.

 

Yeah, it looks like the hipsters have gatecrashed the retro market.
Saw someone on reddit the other day going "I'm curating a collection"

 

Who for, mate? You do know that that's all going in the skip along with your rotten corpse the minute you keel over, right?

 

He goes "I'm not really into the genre but I want the best example of each type of shmup, I don't want anything too similar. I want the best touhou-like, I want the best cave style game etc."

 

Pretty much asking for a community agreed upon top ten he could use as a shopping list.
Doesn't sound like you're "curating a collection" to me, buddy boy. It sounds like you just like spending money/hoarding stuff and you've got too much bloody time on your hands!

Really though, how desperate have you got to be to start collecting things you don't really know or care about. That's a sickness not a hobby.

 

Nice setup, spoony! Was that you on reddit the other day posting futari as well?

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42 minutes ago, ImmaculateClump said:

I've always dreamt of owning an arcade cabinet, but I think if it did ever happen, it'd have a mister or a little pc stuffed inside.

 

I think this, if I ever do it, will be what I do. I love the ideas of PCBs and so on, but it's just silly now. As you say, no doubt I would blow a capacitor or something on the first try, or dust kills it, or something.

 

43 minutes ago, ImmaculateClump said:

Yeah, it looks like the hipsters have gatecrashed the retro market.
Saw someone on reddit the other day going "I'm curating a collection"

 

Who for, mate? You do know that that's all going in the skip along with your rotten corpse the minute you keel over, right?

 

This has kind of ruined the scene, in a sense, imo. Not just shmups, but the entirety of gaming. There's modern games, which tbh I hardly give a shit about. It's like living an alternative life more than every now, now we're locked inside I will pretend to be a cowboy and have a job in a virtual world, etc etc. Then there's the retro scene, which is absolutely full of people hoarding and wanting to post photos of their "hauls" which they never play, because there's something new coming along already. I know a guy like this, who recently bought a Saturn, DC, Xbox, and games, and maracas, and all sorts of stuff. Boots a game, tweets a photo, boots the next. Does it all for likes or some shit. It actually depresses me somewhat, if I think about it. "Curating a collection". Blargh. I think we're of the same mindset here. It pisses me off, because there are some games I want to play and try and complete and what not, but they're sitting on shelves as some "curation" by someone that never plays them. Oh well, fuck it. It's another reason I am less bothered about piracy of retro games, truth be told. CAVE/Capcom/SNK/SEGA are not getting any money from these stupid prices.

 

52 minutes ago, ImmaculateClump said:

Nice setup, spoony! Was that you on reddit the other day posting futari as well?

 

Yeah, that's me. I wanted to take a better photo as the box art is a bit washed out, but I'll x-post it here too.

 

I had a bit of a scattered-Sunday. Played quite a few different games, but noticing that I am improving in general. They're all so bloody hard, though! I fancy an "easy" 1CC of something and MushiFBL was recommended. It's obviously not easy. I think I will keep up the grind with these games, and then switch (haha!) to Aleste collection for a more lighthearted 1cc attempt, as you were @ImmaculateClump

 

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Collectors putting money into the market does suck for people who genuinely want the originals but it could be far worse. Logan Paul spending two million dollars on sealed 1999 Pokémon cards has completely wrecked that market in the US. Packs are sold out everywhere because of the investment craze and boosters of the newest pack have a going rate starting at $8 a pack (said packs likely coming from boxes where the best cards already got pulled).

 

But yeah I spoke about this last week. It’s about owning something prestigious. I used to be like that when I collected, only difference was I was collecting to find out why the games had their prestige. When I got Futari from here last summer it was because I wanted first hand knowledge of why it was so raved about. Now I’ve played it I’m never letting it go assuming it remains the only way for me to play it.


I know it kills Mark from electric underground that he’ll never get to rep DoDonPachi on a Japanese livestream or event because he doesn’t have access to an original PCB. As things are going it’s going to stay that way forever thanks to the collectors market.

 

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21 hours ago, geldra said:

In physical shooter release news (probably old news...) Ginga Force and Natsuke Chronicles are available to preorder (PS4) at firstpressgames.com

 

 

 

Erk, yet another Limited Run/Strictly Limited to keep an eye on. I'd be all over these but it looks like they're based in Germany and shipping anything from the EU is going to be pretty expensive in these fun times, right?

 

In I've-actually-been-playing-a-shoot'em-up news, I've been giving DariusBurst CS (on PSTV) a bit of love recently. I really like the episodic nature of the main game and being able to buy in a load of power-ups for tricky sections makes it less painful for me and my meagre skills.

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8 minutes ago, Camel said:

 

Erk, yet another Limited Run/Strictly Limited to keep an eye on. I'd be all over these but it looks like they're based in Germany and shipping anything from the EU is going to be pretty expensive in these fun times, right?

 

I'm in Germany; happy to forward anything to the UK for you. Shipping costs have gone up, declared customs values are import(hoho)ant, too. All such a pain in the arse.

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Shouldnt VAT be taken at point of sale now though?  Soz for this horrendous chat. 
 

Re the collecting scene, I’ve been lucky enough to get some pcbs back over the years before they went truly ridiculous.  Also have several cabs that I’ve spent time refurbing (probably spent more time doing that than playing, none shocker).  But like others have said, because of the state of the scene now, I don’t feel like getting rid of any of it for fear of never ever seeing it available again. Which I guess perpetuates the shit state of being able to pick stuff up.  I suppose ultimately, it was going to end up here due to the limited and quirky/specialist nature of the scene. (There’s also the thing where people appear to exploit the collector scenes by buying and flipping cabs and pcbs for way more than they were bought for.)
 

I definitely feel like it’s the end of being able to pick stuff up. 
 

Mister will be massive longer term if it is as 1:1 as it appears to be. I’ve not steered clear of emulation cos I’m into the prestige of having the real thing (well, maybe a bit), but I just hate having a billion games in a list available to play.  At least having the pcb means it provides some focus as it’s a slight pain to change games. 

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20 minutes ago, geldra said:

Mister will be massive longer term if it is as 1:1 as it appears to be. I’ve not steered clear of emulation cos I’m into the prestige of having the real thing (well, maybe a bit), but I just hate having a billion games in a list available to play.  At least having the pcb means it provides some focus as it’s a slight pain to change games. 

 

There's definitely that aspect to the whole emulation thing, and gaming in general, I have found. I have literally more games than ever, but sometimes play less than ever. Obviously that's "natural" in a sense, but back in the 90s, I would have a game every few months, or a couple a year, or something crazy like that. I'd have one game in the system and play that for months on end. Loved it.

 

Booting up MAME and seeing 4082 games in a list... is awful, really. Unless you have a specific game in mind before you boot up, it's just overwhelming.

 

It's the same as with Spotify and music, for me. I actually listened to more CDs in 2020 that in the last 10 years, because I was sick of the "selection". Same with Netflix and movies.

 

There's something about having the physical, that slows you down. PCBs are probably something I won't do now, as it's just silly expensive. There's a PCV of DDP DKF for like $4k available. Makes an AES look like chump change.

 

I'd love to rent a warehouse, fill it with old arcade machines, and have a gaming centre of sorts. The costs would be astronomical, let alone the insurance. Then it wouldn't make money, and that is before the fact that we're all locked inside with only white-collar work to do.

 

Where am I going with this? It's another incoherent rant. Something something, I would like a MiSTer and could pretend it's like having a supergun and PCBs etc etc but in reality it'll only be marginally different to the RetroARCH setup I use occasionally.

 

I still think I'll get one. Looks ace.

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On 06/02/2021 at 22:55, ImmaculateClump said:

 

I don't think I'm entirely immune to the sickness, the look and sound of the one master system game in the collection in particular reminds me a lot of my nes days which I'm probably a bit romantic about, but all I can say is that I'd never played any of these games and they didn't look too exciting to me.

 

I was like you, pretty wary. I watched the shmupjunkie video all the way through and even though he was waxing lyrical and bigging up all the games, I couldn't help but think that they all just looked really boring and old and shit.

Marlew giving it the thumbs up was enough for me to take the risk and give it a try.

 

They're definitely greater than the sum of their parts. There's a magic ingredient in there that keeps you coming back.

Even with the first gg aleste I was thinking "right, this is the shiter in the pack, surely, this'll be the one that I play once and never go back to", but by the end it'd won me over.

 

Especially if you're playing something really hard and ruthless at the same time, there's something really comforting and joyously friendly about these games, you can't help but warm to them.

Can't say it'll be the same for you, but it worked out OK for me.

 

Can you play one of the games via emulation for a few hours to see if you're feeling it?


£45 delivered on Amazon Japan. It’s only going to get more expensive from there, so after watching some enthusiastic YouTube vids on the collection I thought I’d take a shot on this. Looking forward to having a blast on it. 

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8 hours ago, Spoonman said:

A question to@Count Buffalos — what did you get, and where from? The thing with these modular things is that there's a risk you buy like 90% of something and miss a key component, or you overspend/or get the wrong add-on, or something. Any tips appreciated!

 

I ordered the main board, the DE10-nano kit,  from digikey.co.uk (this is actually delivered from the USA but only takes a couple of days, VAT etc is built into the price). I ordered the 128mb module, USB card, IO board, heatsink and case thing from misterfpga.co.uk. I also have a wifi dongle from the same vendor. You'll need a micro SD card too. 

 

The DE-10 is the only essential component but not all emulators ('cores' ) will work with the built-in RAM alone, hence the 128mb module. The IO board has a fan, some useful buttons ('reset', 'menu' etc) and lets you connect to an analogue display using the VGA port. The USB board lets you connect a range of USB devices, including keyboards, arcade sticks, joypads etc. You can also buy adaptors which lets you use the original controllers per core, but this isn't something I've tried. 

 

I'm having trouble copying hyperlinks, I'll keep trying!

 

 

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And here, the fun begins. I know digikey have worldwide shipping... I buy stuff from them all the time for work. But the DE10-nano isn't available in Germany on their site, just the cloud version at 185 euro.

 

I am sure I will track one down.

 

There's a company in the US that does a lovely aluminium case for the whole MiSTer, which looks just lovely imo.

 

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The rate my search is going, I will just end up getting one of these 300-quid kits as It'll cost me around that getting it all separately and adding up the shipping...

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