Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[glb]

Kevin Lee being a bad bellend makes the error worse.

 

Penn must be done now. Boetsch quietly going about his business and keen to see Herrig get a step-up fight next.

[McFly]

It was an awesome escape from Herrigs choke by Justine Kish, pity it seemed to make her shit herself  poor guy did a good job wiping it up between rounds 

[Gotters]

I thought Chiesa made an unfortunate hand motion with that choke in where his arm kind of dropped for a split second and Yamasaki thought he was out.

 

People are very quick to jump on refs, it was unfortunate but I thought he saw something and was trying to save the fighter

[McFly]

Ive been reading "Blood in the cage" by L Jon Wertheim which is about the beginnings of UFC/MMA focusing around Pat Miletich and the eventual Team Miletich. I'd highly recommend it and its a lot better than your average fighter autobiography. 

[Doomguy]

13 hours ago, Gotters said:

I thought Chiesa made an unfortunate hand motion with that choke in where his arm kind of dropped for a split second and Yamasaki thought he was out.

 

People are very quick to jump on refs, it was unfortunate but I thought he saw something and was trying to save the fighter

 

That's how I saw it too. He was mad after like he wasn't seconds away from getting finished. 

 

I see Fedor wants a rematch. I say let him have it. If he loses against mitrione again call it a day. 

[skittles]

Chiesa was out. His arms weren't doing anything and he wasn't trying to get out of the choke. It was done.

[glb]

Cerrone Lawler off of the 213 card due to Cowboy sustaining an injury 

 

But the fight is tentatively rescheduled for 214

 

[McFly]

Oh man, i hope its back for 214, its a fight loads of fans want to see. If its a minor injury i dont see why not, but i thought Khabib/Fergusob couldve been on the next event and it wasnt.

[glb]

Apparently Dana has now said it won't be at 214

 

But Woodley v Maia has been added (insurance for when DC or Jones pulls out I guess).

[skittles]

3 hours ago, glb said:

Apparently Dana has now said it won't be at 214

 

But Woodley v Maia has been added (insurance for when DC or Jones pulls out I guess).

I didn't even know Woodley was booked! Since when?!

[glb]

2 minutes ago, Hellcock said:

I didn't even know Woodley was booked! Since when?!

 

Was announced last night. Remember Woodley posting a while back about starting training camp, but not confirming the opponent. Wonder if Maia was always scheduled or whether there's been a switch. Some sites suggesting the winner will face GSP at Madison Square Garden in November.

[McFly]

Really intrigued to see what will happen with Maia/Woodley. Surely Tyron wont take him down? He roughed up Wonderboy well on the ground in their first fight, but its too risky i reckon

[Doomguy]

Maia ftw. So hope he gets a quick sub.

 

Junior Dos Santos vs Ngannou has also been confirmed...

 

RIP JDS.

 

Oh and I read the UFC reebok deal runs out in 2019. Seriously wondering what state it'll be in by then that's still quite a way off! 

[McFly]

I thought it was maybe next year which wouldve been ok. Its done so much damage to the UFC, I assume they wont re-sign the deal or if they do jack up the fighters money by double at least. Self sponsors is surely better and what the fighters want but thats never been a concern except for a handful of stars.

[Yobo Ahoy]

Thing is they have so many fighters now that the tiered pay doesn't really work. On one recent card Chris Cammozzi (on the prelims) got paid more than Gustafsson! Someone like the former is bland, alternates wins and losses and you'd not really miss him if he wasn't there (harsh but true) but because he's active - even just on the prelims - it properly jacks up his price and he's getting more than a popular long time title contender. You have to think there is probably a better system. 

 

(I know the fight money itself makes up the difference but it still seems odd to me.)

[Gotters]

boom

 

 

[glb]

UFC 213 Countdown ep.

 

Things I learned: the world needs a gif of Romero's sprint towards camera (2m13s) mixed with a crowd running away and Valentina Shevchenko is the female John Wick. Joan Wick.

 

 

[skittles]

Shame lawler ceronne got pulled but the main card is still looking quite decent. Will watch that now, cheers @glb

[skittles]

What's the latest with Moussasi? Did he get a new deal?

[Orion]

22 minutes ago, Hellcock said:

What's the latest with Moussasi? Did he get a new deal?

 

He is technically a free agent. He is still trying to get a new UFC deal though. I like Gegard but he ain't much of a draw. I can see them playing hardball with him. 

[skittles]

Shame, i'm a big fan. 

[Doomguy]

Woah at Romero jumping 20 feet in the air like a damn frog.

 

It's strange, I know Whittaker is a good dude but the fact he looks like a local yob that hangs around asda puts me off. Romero vs Bisping is what everyone wants anyway. 

 

I see Diaz has been banned again too. I just want them to go away at this point and stop being in the mma news. Yes, great fighter, same with nate but the lack of activity and moaning about no money (while having money and getting offered big fights) makes me want them both to disappear. 

[McFly]

23 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

Woah at Romero jumping 20 feet in the air like a damn frog.

The training drill where Yoel is almost tossing people aside is almost comical, what a freak.

23 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

 

It's strange, I know Whittaker is a good dude but the fact he looks like a local yob that hangs around asda puts me off. Romero vs Bisping is what everyone wants anyway. 

Romero v Whittaker would have been laughable 6 months ago, Whiattaker has done well but Romero is too much and then as you say we get the real fight (hopefully) of Bisping and Romero.

23 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

 

I see Diaz has been banned again too. I just want them to go away at this point and stop being in the mma news. Yes, great fighter, same with nate but the lack of activity and moaning about no money (while having money and getting offered big fights) makes me want them both to disappear. 

Self sabotage being blamed on The Man.

[Orion]

13 hours ago, Hellcock said:

Shame, i'm a big fan. 

 

Yeah me to. @schmojo might know more as I think he is Dutch. I think its a combination of things I'm not sure MMA is that hot atm in Holland. Guys like Overeem seem far more popular and over shadow him. I don't know if he does much publicity in Holland...

 

[schmojo]

 

I'm from Leeds. You're probably confusing my unhinged mystique with Bas Rutten.

 

Gegard won't ever sell a fight in his interviews. This is where the production teams need to step in.

 

Pride made me believe that a humble, quiet man in a striped jumper was the baddest man in the world. The wins obviously drove that, but Mousasi is a silent killer too.

 

They need to watch WWE and make some goddamn video packages. Unmarketable?

 

• Maia: BJJ god. Training for this since he was a kid. He's fucking Ryu.
• Mousasi: Silent killer. Boxer, grappler, pride of Europe and Asia.
• DJ: He's the best, he's  a down to earth. He loves gaming. He's Lionel Messi. And he can do things that nobody else can do

 

UFC and Dana get a lot of credit for being 'promoters', but they're fucking amateurs if it isn't gifted to them on a plane. Dana lucked into everything.

[Doomguy]

22 minutes ago, schmojo said:

They need to watch WWE and make some goddamn video packages. Unmarketable?

 

• Maia: BJJ god. Training for this since he was a kid. He's fucking Ryu.
• Mousasi: Silent killer. Boxer, grappler, pride of Europe and Asia.
• DJ: He's the best, he's  a down to earth. He loves gaming. He's Lionel Messi. And he can do things that nobody else can do

 

UFC and Dana get a lot of credit for being 'promoters', but they're fucking amateurs if it isn't gifted to them on a plane. Dana lucked into everything.

 

They've certainly done everything to drain all the personality out of the sport. 'Conor' blah blah blah. He's a simulacrum of everyone else  - even down to the damn clothes.

 

Ripped off;

 

the talk, ali,

the clothes; Joe Frazier,

the tattoos - a Canadian model. 

The fighting style; that's his own. Shades of early Machida but I'm sure he'd never admit. 

 

The sport was rich in people who were just bloody hilarious and over the years it's now one bloke. 

[Orion]

Lol schmojo I think its because you were a big Overeem fan and I thought your user name looked like a Dutch word. Sorry.

 

Theres still some interesting characters around but I'm not sure the UFC knows how to promote them. Everything is now about trash talking like that embarrassing Summer Kickoff press conference. Where half the people on stage were doing their best Connor impression throughout. 

 

[schmojo]

My relationship with Overeem is complicated and frustrating.

 

The thing that UFC don't get, is that cocky bad guys don't work without good guys to play off them.

 

Pacquiao, as confused as some of his beliefs are, was the public opposite of Mayweather. Let's show DJ doing some Make A Wish visits, or Jacare training Brazilian street kids.

 

Good guys don't talk about themselves, but they do need to be promoted by the company if they're going to have 'characters'. Fuck, Cody Garbrandt almost turned me around the night he won the belt with the kid he brought into the cage.

[Orion]

I felt the same about Tyron Woodley. You had Dana saying he was a prima donna and journalists everywhere saying he was playing the race card and always complaining. Then I heard him in an interview talk about his upbringing. He came from nothing, 11th of 13 kids in Ferguson which is world famous for white cops shooting young black guys. Watched brothers of his and friends fall into crime and drugs but he found wrestling. When he started fighting in MMA he had a wife and two kids and they were living out of a car. He promised them they would be rich and live in a big house someday.

 

Now all that humanized him for me. You could see why money is important to him. Why he is distrustful of the UFC and MMA media. Why he would be sensitive to racial issues growing up in Ferguson. He should be doing motivational speeches in schools. He is a great public speaker as he shows as a pundit on UFC Tonight. Instead of talking about that Dana "estimated net worth $500 million" White talks shit about him publicly for wanting more money. 

[schmojo]

I'm completely fabricating this, but I have a theory that Dana was always a bit of a wiener wannabe who looked up to aggressive, 'alpha male' combat sports types.

 

Now that he's ingratiated himself with that crowd and jacked himself full of cow hormones, he doesn't see value in any kind of fighter apart from 'shouty bellend'.