Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Doomguy]

Conor hasn't defended a title ever. He's the featherweight Mark Kerr (wins the belt then sods off). He's going to be talked about as some sort of MMA GOAT regardless if it's true or not which is irritating for hardcore fans. Reminds me of Beckham; great player but was he as great as he's now being portrayed? definitely not. 

 

Aldo had an 18 fight win streak with 10 title defenses. The loss to Mcgregor felt more like a passing of the torch to me but instead he's just pissed off also. If you don't build up a record defending the belt then it's just sitting on prestige isn't it? money wise it's great. Not so great for fans. 

 

 

[McFly]

3 hours ago, Stevedave said:

Conor hasn't defended a title ever. He's the featherweight Mark Kerr (wins the belt then sods off). He's going to be talked about as some sort of MMA GOAT regardless if it's true or not which is irritating for hardcore fans. Reminds me of Beckham; great player but was he as great as he's now being portrayed? definitely not. 

Its a weird one, i almost feel like he's a fraud, but he wins plenty of fights but then keeps jumping from weight-to-weight. He'll get voted one of the best ever but his achievements are nowhere near the likes of GSP, Anderson, Jones, Fedor or even Ronda who defended her title a few times. Winning a couple of real fights against proper contenders at LW and he could be the greatest ever no question about it, I just want to see it.

 

 

[schmojo]

A 'couple' of fights against top LWs would make him the greatest ever?

 

Man, the bar's getting lower all the time.

 

That said, if he trounced Khabib, Ferguson, and Edgar, I'd have little to say against his ability. Except to say that he's 1 and 1 with a man whose career highlight was losing to Bendo... I mean, we already know that he's not better than Nate who is a natural 155er.

 

 

Damnit - he's dominating conversation AGAIN! Witchcraft.

[Orion]

Lol Conor trounced Aldo and Holloway and you give him no credit for it.  If he beat Khabib, Edgar and Ferguson I'm sure you would find something to moan about and discredit the wins.

 

Nate's career highlight was losing to Bendo ? I thought it might be winning a stacked TUF season back when that meant something, wrecking Cerrone or perhaps beating Conor on one of the biggest selling UFC PPV's of all time.

 

[schmojo]

I meant in terms of Nate's actual ranking peak. Being number one contender to Bendo's title, and another notch on Bendo's bedpost, is the highest (non-financial) level he's ever achieved.

[Orion]

I'm pretty sure the Diaz brothers give zero fucks about the UFC rankings.

 

TBH I think Nates career peaked when he slapped Dana White in the face.

[schmojo]

They give fucks about UFC title fights.

 

They just don't win them.

[McFly]

12 hours ago, schmojo said:

A 'couple' of fights against top LWs would make him the greatest ever?

 

Man, the bar's getting lower all the time.

 

That said, if he trounced Khabib, Ferguson, and Edgar, I'd have little to say against his ability. 

Thats basically what i was meaning, beat all of them and I have to say 'ok youre as awesome as he says he is.

 

3 hours ago, Orion said:

 

Nate's career highlight was losing to Bendo ? I thought it might be winning a stacked TUF season back when that meant something, wrecking Cerrone or perhaps beating Conor on one of the biggest selling UFC PPV's of all time.

 

From what i recall Manny Gamburian was dominating him until his shoulder dislocated. Nate still did well to get to the final though. And obviously beating Conor was crazy.

 

 

[Doomguy]

6 hours ago, Orion said:

Lol Conor trounced Aldo and Holloway and you give him no credit for it.  If he beat Khabib, Edgar and Ferguson I'm sure you would find something to moan about and discredit the wins.

 

Nate's career highlight was losing to Bendo ? I thought it might be winning a stacked TUF season back when that meant something, wrecking Cerrone or perhaps beating Conor on one of the biggest selling UFC PPV's of all time.

 

 

See this is true and he's done amazing but Anderson didn't just smash Rich Franklin and stop fighting. He fought another 16 guys defending the belt 10. Fedor didn't just stop fighting after beating Nog, he destroyed 19 fighters. 

 

The irritating issue with conor is he's talking like he's some sort of mma god when he hasn't done either of these things. 

[Orion]

Anderson and Fedor weren't being offered $50 million plus to fight Floyd Mayweather. Conor is. Anderson at one point was begging to fight a washed up RJJ at boxing and it was laughed off.  

 

Conor's not the greatest. He knows that but he has convinced enough people he might beat the best boxer of the last 25 years, at boxing. Thats fucking crazy and shows how good he is at talking. The Floyd/Conor fight might suck but the build up will be incredible.  

 

Fair play to him for the payday tbh. Especially after the Mighty Mouse stuff came out. The UFC are a bunch of cheapskates. Conors talk has probably set his whole family up forever of one fight.

[schmojo]

I'm happy to call Conor the MMA promotion GOAT. He's orders of magnitude better than Dana, and even managed to create a compelling story between Faber and TJ when they couldn't do it themselves. Fair play for getting paid and getting out. Nobody's done more with what's available to them - hell, which other 1-0 fighter has been mentioned in passing as a GOAT for that weight class?!

 

I'm worried that WME bought into the Conor business rather than the MMA business though. They're the ones I see as being responsible for wave after wave of bad trash talk, as they're desperate for a new loudmouthed poster boy.

 

I hope Maia wins the WW belt, Jacare wins MW, Khabib wins LW, Stipe keeps HW and everyone at WME panics because they have the temerity to be there because of their fighting ability alone.

[Doomguy]

2 hours ago, schmojo said:

I'm happy to call Conor the MMA promotion GOAT. He's orders of magnitude better than Dana, and even managed to create a compelling story between Faber and TJ when they couldn't do it themselves. Fair play for getting paid and getting out. Nobody's done more with what's available to them - hell, which other 1-0 fighter has been mentioned in passing as a GOAT for that weight class?!

 

I'm worried that WME bought into the Conor business rather than the MMA business though. They're the ones I see as being responsible for wave after wave of bad trash talk, as they're desperate for a new loudmouthed poster boy.

 

I hope Maia wins the WW belt, Jacare wins MW, Khabib wins LW, Stipe keeps HW and everyone at WME panics because they have the temerity to be there because of their fighting ability alone.

 

Spot on. From everything we know they literally bought the entire thing because of Conor and Ronda Rousey. I remember Joe Rogan talking about the WME guys having a meeting backstage about who Ronda should fight next before the beat down she got from Nunes. MMA fans they are certainly not. 

[Orion]

WME will make their money back though. Might take awhile but the UFC is going nowhere. 

 

This whole "they are just a bunch of morons who spent $4 Billion and our clueless" doesn't really stand up when you look at who they are and their business plans. They know what they are doing, they are in this for the very long haul. The Conors's and Ronda's will come and go, WME will still be here in 20 years. 

 

 

 

[schmojo]

I certainly don't think they're not savvy, but they're in the talent business. The celebrity business. They presumably have an eye on using UFC as a farm system for crossover media stars, rather than just existing in their own right.

 

I don't really think that the Fertittas were better though. They paid less, and are generally less than desirable people when it comes to profiting from other peoples' labour.

 

Maybe one day, after some hot potato, we'll get Coker running UFC. That would be brilliant - never heard anyone say a bad word about him compared to White, Rebney or Sakakibara.

[Doomguy]

5 hours ago, Orion said:

Anderson and Fedor weren't being offered $50 million plus to fight Floyd Mayweather. Conor is. Anderson at one point was begging to fight a washed up RJJ at boxing and it was laughed off.  

 

Conor's not the greatest. He knows that but he has convinced enough people he might beat the best boxer of the last 25 years, at boxing. Thats fucking crazy and shows how good he is at talking. The Floyd/Conor fight might suck but the build up will be incredible.  

 

Fair play to him for the payday tbh. Especially after the Mighty Mouse stuff came out. The UFC are a bunch of cheapskates. Conors talk has probably set his whole family up forever of one fight.

 

I don't think anyone's attacking you for thinking Conor is a top fighter. It's the new fans who seem to think he is the GOAT of mma. If someone offered Fedor or Anderson to fight for that money I'm sure they'd take it; In fact, I think Fedor got 4 mill a fight in Affliction - was probably the mma record before Lesnar. 

[Doomguy]

5 hours ago, schmojo said:

I hope Maia wins the WW belt, Jacare wins MW, Khabib wins LW, Stipe keeps HW and everyone at WME panics because they have the temerity to be there because of their fighting ability alone.

 

I'd love this too. Would definitely straighten the rankings out a bit; and no I don't count the UFC ranking system. 

[McFly]

Ive lost interest in TUF lately but this weeks episode (8) is decent enough with 2 fights ending conclusively and the coaches challenge which is fairly entertaining. 

[glb]

6 hours ago, McFly said:

Ive lost interest in TUF lately but this weeks episode (8) is decent enough with 2 fights ending conclusively and the coaches challenge which is fairly entertaining. 

 

Wait until ep 10; there's an utterly farcical weigh-in.

 

I hope Cody gets better soon so TJ can starch him.

[McFly]

Its certainly an interesting fight. Cody was so pissed off after losing the pool-swingball thing aftet having a huge lead.

I felt bad for Joe Stevenson getting KO'd he seems such a nice guy, i mind seeing BJ Penn destroying him in Newcastle but this was worse somehow. The hairy dude Yom did well to recover from getting knocked down to get the choke.

[Orion]

2 hours ago, McFly said:

Its certainly an interesting fight. Cody was so pissed off after losing the pool-swingball thing aftet having a huge lead.

I felt bad for Joe Stevenson getting KO'd he seems such a nice guy, i mind seeing BJ Penn destroying him in Newcastle but this was worse somehow. The hairy dude Yom did well to recover from getting knocked down to get the choke.

 One of my good friends went to the Joe vs BJ fight. He talks about it like Apocalypse Now. It's still a fucking scary bloodbath watching it now.

 

The minute Joe was all, "this is for my sons birthday" on TUF I thought this is going to end badly. Poor guy.

 

Fuck Cody he is one of the most unhinged coaches I've ever seen on TUF. He is a a total fucking Jackass. 

 

 

[glb]

13 hours ago, McFly said:

Its certainly an interesting fight. Cody was so pissed off after losing the pool-swingball thing aftet having a huge lead.

 

He's a snidey twat. Gets mouthy with one of TJ's team for giving him stick during the tetherball, threatens to KO him, makes up but then has a team member throw the guy in the pool. Loads of little things in the series mark him out to be a complete ballbag.

 

The only good thing at Team Alpha Male is Cynthia Calvallo.

[McFly]

Yeah, that wasnt cool, didnt evem do it himself.

 

Anyway a few predictions for tonight:

 

Hunt by TKO/KO round 1

Daniel Kelly (he's the judo guy iirc) on points

 Ross Pearson on points

Tim Elliot by TKO/KO in the 2nd

John Moraga by sub

Dong Hyun Kim by TKO/KO

 

[glb]

That was a pretty fun Fight Night, finishes... finishes everywhere!

 

Glad Pearson got up relatively quickly, that was a devastating knee.

 

Shame Lewis was essentially done by midway through the third; the first two rounds of slobberknocking were entertaining. Still, like that Hunt took his time and didn't dump his tank when it became clear Lewis was gassed. Would like to see Ngannou get a test, if he can beat a canny veteran that holds nuclear power in his hands, then the hype train for that kid might just be real.

[Doomguy]

I remember Lewis saying how easy mma was compared to boxing and he needed no cardio. Seems those comments have come back to haunt him. 

 

Pearson has been on the end of some pretty bad KO's. Think the gloves need hanging up tbh. 

 

The Aussie guy Kelly is just a complete unknown. I don't even know what I make of him getting KO'd like that. You look at the guy and the first think you think is 'this guy is going to get destroyed' but he's won so many fights. I have no clue ha. 

[McFly]

I see Mauro Raunella (sp?) and Mike Goldberg have signed with Bellator for commentary duties along with Jimmy Smith. Should be pretty cool, i hope the big Bellator event coming up has them commentating and that we can see it on TV here.

[schmojo]

Ranallo's relegated to the analyst's desk, which I found a bit of a shame, as I'm not a Goldberg fan.

 

That said, there were plenty of people I saw on the Bloody Elbow comment section championing Goldberg's return and being less than complimentary about Mauro, so there's clearly appeal to him.

 

If nothing else, maybe people will hear his voice and assume they're watching UFC. I mean, he's annoying, but he's certainly iconic.

[glb]

Hal Sunnen will win, win, win in NYC with Goldberg on the mic!

 

Like Ranallo, good signing for Bellator. Glad Goldberg is back in the booth too, his haphazard hyperbole suits Bellator more than the slick aspirations of UFC.

 

Wasn't Dana supposed to have his dream team in place by now?

[McFly]

Goldberg isnt perfect but he's part of the furniture, i think he'll do well with Jimmy. Im really looking forward to the big Bellator, theres some potentially good fights on this weeks UFC Singapore card.

[schmojo]

Conor/Mayweather is booked for August 26th. After WME took negotiation control away from Dana. 

 

I'll definitely be one of the many watching.

 

You've got to imagine that it's the last time anyone sees Mac in a ring (or cage) until he's bored at some future date. Wonder if he'll enjoy his new wealth, or try to keep himself in the headlines with movies or maybe buying a piece of the UFC?

[Orion]

Looking forward to the crazy build up for this. The press conferences will be amazing. The fight itself will be awful. 

 

Conor will make 10's of millions even after tax and the UFC have taken their cut. Fair play how far his big mouth has got him. I'm sad because outside a GSP or Diaz 3 fight he probably ain't coming back.  He was on the dole before he signed with the UFC. Crazy what he is about to make.