Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Yobo Ahoy]

Ha I was checking the card not 5 hours ago thinking, wow McCall has made it, back home check Twitter and he's gone... Fair play @angel you called it! 

[angel]

Not exactly sticking my neck out to be fair, his 5th in a row.

 

In other depressing news, Anik with Rogan on a PPV feels deeply wrong.

 

edit - it's a 3 way, DC, Anik and Rogan..all talking over each other and 2 colour commentators.....weird.

[angel]

DC is taking over the broadcast in a good way, Anik does the (very brief) boring stuff then lets DC and Joe discuss the fight properly. I hate to say it, but it's better than goldie.

 

In fact, it's miles better, the three of them are having a good laugh as well as commentating well, even Anik has been funny. Ouch.

[angel]

the pros are all bitching about this card on twitter saying Brunson won, and Holm won, I disagree with both...Silva won and the ref should have protected holly on the bell.

[Gotters]

7 hours ago, angel said:

DC is taking over the broadcast in a good way, Anik does the (very brief) boring stuff then lets DC and Joe discuss the fight properly. I hate to say it, but it's better than goldie.

 

In fact, it's miles better, the three of them are having a good laugh as well as commentating well, even Anik has been funny. Ouch.

 

I started despising the 3 way and grew into liking it, really only because of DC & Joe though, I can't stand Anik with his OTT sportscaster put on voice

 

Crap card I thought, won't last long in the memory at all.

 

Surely Holm shouting on every punch kick is giving the game away to her opponent, she even alters the pitch of the shout indicating whether its a fully loaded shot or not.

 

 

[McFly]

7 hours ago, angel said:

DC is taking over the broadcast in a good way, Anik does the (very brief) boring stuff then lets DC and Joe discuss the fight properly. I hate to say it, but it's better than goldie.

 

In fact, it's miles better, the three of them are having a good laugh as well as commentating well, even Anik has been funny. Ouch.

Goldberg is like the old Gladiator intro nostalgic and part of it but not that good really. Anik certainly knew when to keep quiet which Goldie never did.

 

As for the fights, Poirier/Miller was good  and Jacarares kimura was beautiful bu the rest is forgettable. Sadly for GdR the most interesting aspect were the late shots. I thought Holly would win despite her feeble striking power the guys mentioned attempting 8 takedowns but she got nowhere near any. 

 

The Silva decision was a joke, i dunno how you can say he won Angel, Brunson landed way more shots in the clinch and a couple of takedowns. 30 - 27 is just fantasy.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I found the Silva fight quite depressing. At no point did it look like Brunson was ever going to get knocked out. Prime Silva would have absolutely savaged him so it was sad to see such an ineffective performance. I gave it to Brunson, but neither were great. Brunson spent too long acting like he was fighting prime Silva.

[Tofu]

Unfortunate night. The fights had a lot of potential but we got the worst case scenario for a lot of things.

 

Jim Miller vs. Dustin Poirier was awesome. No complaints there. Actually, things started off really well. More than I can say for other bad cards.

 

Unfortunately, Glover had his first boring win inside the octagon. Sort of similar to DC vs. Anderson in the way that Cannonier was playing the defensive game which prevented Glover from doing much, despite him trying. I'm concerned in the way that Glover is starting to look really faded. He came into the UFC leaving his prime, looked a little slower post Jones, and now there's shots he's just flat out not responding to. Not looking great for him unfortunately, but he can still 30-26 UFC fighters so its not all gloom. Also fuck that ref.

 

Jacare vs. Boetsch was good, although expected. Don't think anyone expected any different from that, which tones down the excitement. Kind of like being spoiled before going into something.

 

Anderson vs. Brunson felt like a sparring session, and didn't really feel over when it was done. Anderson threw some stuff, Brunson landed some nice clinch shots, but by in large it was sort of meh and oddly lacked excitement. Decision was pretty wack. I could sort of maybe understand a 2-1 Anderson, definitely not a 3-0 though.

 

Holm vs. De Randamie wasn't overly great either. And for the second time tonight we get ref issues. De Randamie should have been deducted 2 points easy. That shit was just disgusting. For it to happen a second time and the ref still does nothing is just flat out terrible.

 

So, pretty not great night for the sport. But, there's been worse. Trust me, the only card I've seen live was 149. It was way worse (main card wise anyway, prelims were sweet). Tonight we at least got a great first fight and Jacare's finish. Still, poor night with horrible administration.

 

[Gotters]

Dana calling it like it is 

 

 

[McFly]

Apparently one judge was sleeping during the Silva fight. And in the prelims one judge was a fighters best mate! Funnily enough he got a 30 - 27 call from him. NY was always corrupt about allowing mma but this might be worse.

[V3zna]

That was an awful event. God help this incarnation of the UFC. 

[Doomguy]

Very pleased to see Anderson and Glover win! 

 

I know Anderson should have lost but it was karmic in a way given the Bisping decision.  

 

I'd like to see holy holm (I did it @angel) avoid title fights for a while and build her experience up. She should have a belt but at the same time she's standup only. Needs a few more feathers in her cap. 

 

Jacare... well. Lets be honest he's the real champ minus the belt. His whole situation is ridiculous at this point. Dana at the end was saying he's been trying to give him fights. Give him the belt ffs. 

[angel]

Yeah in sober light I still think AS won 2-1, Poirier Miller was fun but the rest was fairly insipid.  All this effort to get into NY and the judges are shit, the homegrown refs are shit (3 strikes after the bell on 2 instances before any mention of a point deduction warning).  I disagree about AS as well I thought he looked decent, Brunsons tough but Silvas just having fun in there, I enjoyed his fight. Baring in mind post USADA too, I think maybe he used to be a little bit more naughty with the supplements than people want to believe. 

 

Even enjoyed Anik, I know his voice sounds fake, but he did shut up and let the others talk and they had some chuckles during the way. He's quite good on his podcast, a lot less stiff than on a broadcast, once you hear that its easier to cut him some slack.

[schmojo]

I'm in the same boat as pretty much everyone else. Had the potential to be  stormer, and only the Jacare and Poirier fights were anything to watch. A lack of finishes doesn't really annoy me like it does some, but they just weren't great fights, or even great displays of skill.

 

I disagreed with both the main and co-main decisions, but not enough to be annoyed. It all felt a bit inconsequential in the end!

[angel]

Yeah, Silva didn't advance anywhere really with that, some quarters were even talking about him getting a title shot (under this new UFC regime of 'money fights' and queue jumping), and putting that belt on De Ramdamie felt like an exercise in futility. They don't have any other featherweight women on the roster, not a single one apart from Cyborg, who is currently requesting a therepeutic usage exemption after her USADA pop. On top of that, the decision was razor thin, she cheated twice, and didnt win with a lot of class.

[McFly]

I guess theyll have to import Invictas 145lb fighters. Cyborgs claims about weight cutting fucking up her endocrine system kinda puts doubts on whether she can make 145lb again anyway. The whole thing is a bit farcical.

[angel]

They shoulda made a 125lber before an empty 145lber.

[Doomguy]

Cyborg is a 145bler really she's just steroided her muscle mass up beyond that. It's nobodies fault but her own. Same with Vitor and Wanderlei. They look like deflated balloons now because they were on so much stuff. 

[Orion]

I thought Silva lost but both were so gunshy at times it was close. 30-27 was way out there. Anderson did look rather soft around his belly and hips like when he fought at Light Heavy. Think Angel could be right about lack of "supplements". I'd be happy with one last big fight in Brazil for Silva then calling it a day. He looked competitive but far from what he once was.

 

Really enjoyed Poirier/Miller and the Jacare mauling. I've seen UFC's a million times worse than this. Some of the online "worst event ever" on Twitter is nuts.

[Doomguy]

9 minutes ago, Orion said:

 

 

Really enjoyed Poirier/Miller and the Jacare mauling. I've seen UFC's a million times worse than this. Some of the online "worst event ever" on Twitter is nuts.

 

Yeh, maybe people are forgetting events where jon fitch and Jake shields put everyone to sleep. 

 

Strange to think now though, Jake Shields has wins over the top 3 welterweights ha. Seriously puts into question the ufc's status of having 'the best fighters'. 

[Yobo Ahoy]

Pretty horrible event really. Absolutely no way Anderson won and the main event was a joke. NY events have been pretty badly officiated so far, shame. 

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Stevedave said:

 

Yeh, maybe people are forgetting events where jon fitch and Jake shields put everyone to sleep. 

 

Strange to think now though, Jake Shields has wins over the top 3 welterweights ha. Seriously puts into question the ufc's status of having 'the best fighters'. 

 

The UFC Welterweight champ Tyron Woodley was dominated by Rory MacDonald who left. I think Ben Askren who is still unbeaten would be a nightmare for any UFC 170 pounder.

 

They are letting their number 4 ranked LH Bader and number 8 Cirkunov go as well. All this might start adding up.

[angel]

Another interesting point is the NYSAC are ridiculous with their suspensions, I've not seen last nights yet but the MSG card had loads of them getting 6 months, with fines left right and centre too. They're strict where it isnt needed, and slack where it is (judging and officials).

[glb]

Was too shattered to stay up for the live event and having not long watched it back, wouldn't have lasted much beyond Jacare's win.

 

Utter farce that GdR wasn't deducted a point. Hope Cyborg runs through her, even if it would be a somewhat bittersweet victory given the Brazilian's penchant for those special vitamins.

 

Agree with all of the above, very poor card overall. FotN to Poirrier / Miller, PotN to Jacare for a sublime submission. Imagine Dana was a dark shade of rage-induced puce backstage.

[angel]

What blows my mind is that the PPV part is about the equivalent of 20-30 quid for 5 fights.   The whole show I could understand, but 5 fights for that money is crazy, would any of us here actually pay that?

[Yobo Ahoy]

Nope. I'm happy for them to have a slice of my BT sub, but if I was forced to pay for each event individually I would probably only fork out for the major must-see fights, maybe a couple per year max. I'd miss out on stuff like last night (no great loss) but probably also UFC206 as well which as we all know turned out to be bloody great.

[V3zna]

2 hours ago, angel said:

What blows my mind is that the PPV part is about the equivalent of 20-30 quid for 5 fights.   The whole show I could understand, but 5 fights for that money is crazy, would any of us here actually pay that?

Not a chance. I only have my BT sub on sporadically these days. Currently it's more for the Champions League knockout games than for anything else. I can't be bothered torrenting UFC events most of the time but I'll pick and choose certain cards while my BT sub is active. I remember the days in which I'd watch absolutely every UFC event. The Fox deal totally diluted the product and its getting worse now Bellator is picking up so many fighters who've went the free agency route. 

[McFly]

Have to agree with you guys, id maybe see 3 or 4 ppvs at the most if they were 30 quid each a year. Id never have paid for 208 and im gonna look for the ppv numbers as they must be one of the lowest surely? 

[angel]

I tend to avoid mma joke pics but I did chuckle at this

 

[angel]

4 hours ago, Yobo Ahoy said:

Nope. I'm happy for them to have a slice of my BT sub, but if I was forced to pay for each event individually I would probably only fork out for the major must-see fights, maybe a couple per year max. I'd miss out on stuff like last night (no great loss) but probably also UFC206 as well which as we all know turned out to be bloody great.

 

The prelims seem to be too many for me now, and weirdly divided out. Facebook, fight pass, fox 1, etc in varying degrees, then the main 5 for money. I would have like 3 free and at least 7 good match ups on PPV to give the value to those people paying. I mean if I paid 30 quid for saturdays 5 fights I'd never buy anything every again.