Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[angel]

1 hour ago, Stevedave said:

Good on Hunt. Lesnar was on roids and the UFC CLEARLY knew it and tried to cover his tracks. 

 

I know Lesnar brought in the numbers blah blah but if he fought clean against Hunt he would have ended up getting destroyed. The UFC can't champion it as a sport then change their mind when it suits them. At least Pride were like 'fuck it do roids'. None of this bs. 

 

I agree entirely, but I will just add that Hunt knew beforehand, and had he won the fight he'd be boasting about beating another cheater. Also that he's still lined up for UFC 209.

 

Oh and never leave it in the hands of the judges

[glb]

Mayweather McGregor chit-chat has started again. Honestly, what'd be the point besides giving both a substantial pay day? Boxing rules means Mayweather wins easily, MMA rules means McGregor wins easily. Freakshow match-ups generally appeal because there's a sense of 'what might happen?' but there's no jeopardy at all. If some of the best boxers on the planet can't fell Mayweather, what chance a man with only relatively competent boxing skills?

 

And good on Hunt. Kind of ironic he's fighting Overeem next, a man who knows his way around the special vitamins cabinet.

[Gotters]

The Mayweather/McGregor thing is daft but I think it will probably happen, as money has an inevitability about it in making stuff take place.

 

Totally agree with glb regarding who wins under what rules, its not a contest, and there is no way Mayweather fights under anything other than straight normal boxing rules.

 

I think the people with the most to lose in this are the UFC themselves, its as much boxing v the new upstart MMA, and despite the rules being fixed inevitably towards Mayweather's skill set the boxing crowd (promoters, fighters, tv etc) will all walk away triumphantly declaring the sweet science to be the superior and tougher sport and MMA still a pretender (ignoring any conversation as to what would have happened if kicks and takedowns were allowed)

[glb]

Yup, that's a great point about UFC having a lot to lose in the wider public view (something they can ill-afford in their current position). As you say, any meeting would be so weighted in Mayweather, and boxing's, favour that any meaningful gain would be non-existent. A more beneficial event would be to have Mayweather's 50th fight, and Conor's comeback on the same card later this year, showcasing both sports and do something fairly unique with two of the biggest names in combat sports, or sport in general.

 

Otherwise, pro boxers win at boxing, pro mixed-martial artists win at MMA. Might as well have them do the assault course on Krypton Factor or bake a cake for superiority instead, at least it might be a level playing field. Mary Berry would put both in their place though.

[McFly]

Holy shit theres gonna be a doc on showtime about how in Thailand criminals includong rapists and murderers can win a pardon by winning a Thai Boxing tournament

 

5 rounds to freedon

 

Thanks to JRE with Bas Rutten and Mauro Renallo (sp?) for the info

[Yobo Ahoy]

If only this was 30 years ago, would make a banging Van Damme film. JCVD travels to Thailand to see his dying best friend, turns out he didn't pay his hospital bills and JCVD is now liable, but he's a lowly pizza delivery guy so can't afford it. He gets thrown in prison and has to fight for his freedom. Would watch.

[angel]

2 hours ago, McFly said:

Holy shit theres gonna be a doc on showtime about how in Thailand criminals includong rapists and murderers can win a pardon by winning a Thai Boxing tournament

 

5 rounds to freedon

 

Thanks to JRE with Bas Rutten and Mauro Renallo (sp?) for the info

 

As opposed to the UFC who hire them before they commit the crimes.

[schmojo]

15 hours ago, Stevedave said:

Good on Hunt. Lesnar was on roids and the UFC CLEARLY knew it and tried to cover his tracks. 

 

I know Lesnar brought in the numbers blah blah but if he fought clean against Hunt he would have ended up getting destroyed. The UFC can't champion it as a sport then change their mind when it suits them. At least Pride were like 'fuck it do roids'. None of this bs. 

This is the kind of ballsy move that will improve the sport for all of his peers. Can't wait for more of the creepiness to be edged out in the post-Fertitta era.

 

No doubt he wants to get paid, and I'm not sure he'd have beaten Lesnar without PEDs anyway, but I have to give him massive credit.

 

He's certainly no hypocrite for wanting to get paid in the meantime though. He's a fighter and he's got to do his job if he likes eating. Which I suppose he does.

 

 

[McFly]

I reckon they will probably settle out of court to avoid a protracted legal case. But saying that Dana does dig his heels in over certain issues so i could be wrong. Id be worried about being black balled if i were Hunt also.

[Orion]

The problem I see with Hunts case is the UFC were not told that Brock failed the pre fight test. Thats where Dana and the rest will go "we did'nt know he was cheating he never failed a test before". Even though everyone knew really the guy was juiced to the gills.

 

I'd love Hunt to win or get a settlement but think the UFC will win, because lifes not fair.

[Gotters]

Don't see the UFC settling this out of court as whilst not setting a legal precedent, does give a path for every fighter who takes on somebody who subsequently fails a test. They'd prefer a court finding in their favour that in events like this they've upheld their end of the deal and have no need to compensate the fighter with the other ones full purse, its not the UFC that administer tests or licence fighters.

 

As has been said their argument, probably quite legitimately, is they had no knowledge he was juicing so entered the ring fairly in their eyes, and that of the state athletic commission.

 

There does seem to be an issue with how long its taking for tests to be processed and confirmed, leading to this sort of thing happening, understand if it was the last test samples that WADA took midweek before a fight, but it often isn't and takes weeks for these positives to be called. 

[Doomguy]

In the lead up to the fight Dana was cringe worthy when being questioned why Lesnar didn't have to go through USADA testing. GSP, Sonnen and basically everyone who's going to fight pro has to be tested 4 months before they are allowed to fight, but Lesnar doesn't? squirm your way out of this one dana. 

[angel]

Struve out vs JDS. Man, UFC 2017 is pretty barren.

[Exit Chamber]

On 10/01/2017 at 13:29, glb said:

(well, all except Cowboy, he'd fight a shark in a bin on 40 minutes notice if you asked him).

 

[Gotters]

Khabib Ferguson is official for 209 now in March, 5 rounder for the interim belt.

 

THat is an interesting fight to look forward to, but with Khabib's injury record its one I don't believe is happening til I see him on the scales the day before

 

That latest Rogan with Bas (and some other bloke who's name escapes me) is mental, its like they are all on speed and shouting at the same time from an MMA encyclopaedia they are opening on random pages, its exhausting to listen to. Its only after about 1h20m Rogan says 'guys we need to all stop talking at the same time). They seem to be enjoying it though.

[Matt Defis]

I know the Connor, Mayweather fight will probably never happen and even if it did it'd be massively stacked in Mayweathers favour but part of me would love it to happen in the hope that Connor catches him with a big left and knocks Mayweather the fuck out.

[angel]

3 hours ago, Gotters said:

Khabib Ferguson is official for 209 now in March, 5 rounder for the interim belt.

 

THat is an interesting fight to look forward to, but with Khabib's injury record its one I don't believe is happening til I see him on the scales the day before

 

That latest Rogan with Bas (and some other bloke who's name escapes me) is mental, its like they are all on speed and shouting at the same time from an MMA encyclopaedia they are opening on random pages, its exhausting to listen to. Its only after about 1h20m Rogan says 'guys we need to all stop talking at the same time). They seem to be enjoying it though.

 

Mauro wotsit, the Pride FC and showtime commentator. Hes good except for sucking up to Joe a bit much.

[Doomguy]

Dana has offered Mayweather 25 mil to fight Conor in boxing. Bizarre this. It'll never happen but it's interesting that even Dana has now put money on the table for the fight to happen. 

[dogsout]

I wonder if Mayweather has stopped laughing yet. 

[Doomguy]

Mayweather earned 30 mil for his last fight. 

 

If he did 25 mil with the UFC with split PPV he'd make 70 mil. 

 

The shit Manny fight kind of destroyed PPV numbers for floyd; 320,000 for his last fight. For comparison, Tito Ortiz vs Forrest Griffin did better numbers; 375,000. They were ranked something like 12 and 9 at the time. I think that's telling going forward that boxing (well, more the way boxing is promoted) is killing itself. Too many vampires.

[V3zna]

Would this fight not need sanctioned? Surely no boxing organisation would do this? Or is it a boxing match on a UFC card? 

 

It's a terrible idea for the UFC and McGregor. They are absolute morons for even trying this. It's just a lose / lose situation to get a cash injection. Idiots. 

[Matt Defis]

It's not just that with boxing, you have a lot of exciting young guys coming through but at the top no real amazing battles to look forward to, no real rivalries or stand out fighters, I said in thr boxing thread that Joshua will be wasted in what is the current heavyweight division, couple that with to much money and politics involved.  One of the reasons UFC is so exciting is people calling out for fights and they do happen. Manny and Mayweather took what 5-8 years to set up?

[dogsout]

7 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

Mayweather earned 30 mil for his last fight. 

 

Yeah, but it was against Berto. Literally one of the very worst possible opponents he could have chosen. 

[Doomguy]

Floyd chose him (instead of a manny rematch) I'm just comparing numbers.

 

The manny fight netted him 250 mil. The reason floyd nets so much money is he gets half the PPV buys. So that was his biggest fight ever and it drew 2.5 mil PPV buys.

 

The best mma has done is 1.5 mil so they're catching up very quickly. Not bad for a 20 year old sport really.

 

Your average UFC card now draws way more than a normal boxing card also for a multitude of reasons; I personally think it all stems from *boxer x ducking boxer y* and all the little parasite promoters like Don King etc. The whole thing became toxic imo. Fighters in mma kind of have to fight each other. It's unavoidable.

 

I think people like Floyd have made matters worse also. His entire record is full of what ifs, cherry picked opponents, guys he ducked so long they got old, people he wouldn't rematch, and so on. I want to watch the best fight the best. If the Floyd Manny fight was in mma they'd have had 3 fights already. 

 

 

[schmojo]

1 hour ago, vezna said:

Would this fight not need sanctioned? Surely no boxing organisation would do this? Or is it a boxing match on a UFC card? 

 

It's a terrible idea for the UFC and McGregor. They are absolute morons for even trying this. It's just a lose / lose situation to get a cash injection. Idiots. 

 

Totally disagree with the last part. It's big PR exposure, and nobody expects them to make a dent in boxing's GOAT. Any measure of success against him will be lauded. Not to mention getting a UFC PPV into the homes of Floyd fans who've never tried MMA. It's a trojan horse for the other fights on the card.

 

If Mayweather was a killer who would look to KO Conor, then maybe you'd have a point. As it is, it'll either go the distance, or Conor will land a big one. Conor's clearly not going to be the better boxer, but it's nice to be able to say you went the distance with the GOAT. Even if most do.

 

Even if Conor got KOd, they'd still be able to be on chat shows a week later, joking that he was a great lad for even trying it.

[angel]

Yup, the Diaz loss increased his popularity.

 

edit - this sounds sarcastic, it isnt, I agree.

[Tourist]

14 hours ago, Matt Defis said:

I know the Connor, Mayweather fight will probably never happen and even if it did it'd be massively stacked in Mayweathers favour but part of me would love it to happen in the hope that Connor catches him with a big left and knocks Mayweather the fuck out.

 

Isn't it a bit difficult to judge how powerful Conor's left hand actually is because of the difference between fighting with and without gloves?

 

Like, he looks like he has an amazing left hand in MMA but a lot of that is down to his precision and timing and the fact that in MMA a solid punch is much more damaging because they don't wear heavy gloves... how far do you reckon his power would translate to a boxing environment?

[Nomad]

If you have not yet do give this doc a watch, its very good.

https://www.uninterrupted.com/watch/WjKdtIcH/fight-mom?playlist=bcEki2pF

[schmojo]

46 minutes ago, Tourist said:

 

Isn't it a bit difficult to judge how powerful Conor's left hand actually is because of the difference between fighting with and without gloves?

 

Like, he looks like he has an amazing left hand in MMA but a lot of that is down to his precision and timing and the fact that in MMA a solid punch is much more damaging because they don't wear heavy gloves... how far do you reckon his power would translate to a boxing environment?

 

Heavy gloves don't protect your opponent. They protect you and your hands. 

 

Though that's not to say his speed and precision wouldn't suffer some. 

[dogsout]

1 hour ago, schmojo said:

 

Heavy gloves don't protect your opponent. They protect you and your hands. 

 

The weight of the gloves definitely does affect power. Conor references it himself frequently: "these little 4oz gloves". Have you ever boxed? There's a huge difference between 10oz and 16oz gloves, for instance. 

 

@Stevedave I know all of that. Although a big part of the reason the numbers are as they are is most big cards in boxing are dry as hell. Imagine how well a card would sell with a Mayweather fight alongside a big name co-main, for instance. But instead we get shit cards because there's no money spare after they've paid the "A side" his due. Obviously the manufactured hype is hurting the integrity of boxing,  which is one of the reasons why so many boxing fans start watching UFC. 

 

My point regarding Berto is he was a terrible opponent. Floyd could have picked any number of worthy opponents and pulled good numbers. He just cherry picked a free win to take him to 49-0 instead. 

 

And schmojo, not that I want another GOAT argument with you, but please don't call him that.