Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Tofu]

3 hours ago, Yobo Ahoy said:

 

I doubt UFC are reading too much into it. Bendo losing title fights in Bellator legitamises them if anything, the likes of Chandler and Koreshkov are UFC calibre fighters and this confirms it. If he was running through everyone, we'd be all 'well it's just an Indian casino bush league anyway, he bloody well should be winning'. 

Bendo used to be one of my favorite fighters back when he was fresh out of the WEC and won the title. He used to be active and always brought something fun to the cage. As the years have gone by though he's become a fighter that's content with throwing a couple jabs for points and kicks for points but not really "fighting". I don't really enjoy watching his fights at all anymore. 

[Doomguy]

1 hour ago, schmojo said:

The main names involved in the Reebok deal aren't involved now. 

 

Surely from a pride point of view, it's the perfect time to say: "Hey, it was worth a try, and a great idea. But it wasn't our idea, so we're getting rid"?

 

Not that I think they will, but it would be a good (presumably inexpensive) morale win for the new bosses if they did. And I'm sure Reebok would still be interested in producing licensed gear in a less all-encompassing deal, as this deal has embarrassed them a few times. 

 

Plus It'd get some of the fighters back on their side too given the storm of grief coming their way with the fighters associations - there's no way this would even be a thing yet had the reebok deal not strangled yet another source of fighter revenue. Everyone at the UFC seems to have forgot without the fighters there is no show. 

[Doomguy]

Just read Machidas test results came back clean. The 'performance enchancer' he disclosed using (he was unsure if it was bad so fully disclosed everything he took) is something you'd find in Holland and Barretts and has the same effect as eating more oranges.

 

2 years for that... what the hell. Meanwhile Jon Jones on roids doing coke gets 7 months. Crazy. 

[angel]

1 hour ago, Gotters said:

Jon Jones doing Rogan podcast today - could be interesting.

 

Rogan can sometimes get a little starstruck with fighters (the Cerrone podcast was awful) and Jones tend to be very fake in interviews, trying to come across as all god fearing and reformed.

 

Could be interesting if he opens up and Rogan isn't lobbing him underarm softballs.

 

He's very good friends with cowboy, he's been on plenty and thats how they go on.

 

13 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

Just read Machidas test results came back clean. The 'performance enchancer' he disclosed using (he was unsure if it was bad so fully disclosed everything he took) is something you'd find in Holland and Barretts and has the same effect as eating more oranges.

 

2 years for that... what the hell. Meanwhile Jon Jones on roids doing coke gets 7 months. Crazy. 

 

They weren't clean though it was a clear banned substance, over the counter means nothing. He got 18 months not 2 years becaue he helped them at every stage and volounteered the info, but he took it.  Jones got a year, too.

[Doomguy]

16 minutes ago, angel said:

They weren't clean though it was a clear banned substance, over the counter means nothing. He got 18 months not 2 years becaue he helped them at every stage and volounteered the info, but he took it.  Jones got a year, too.

 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/12/1/13801342/lyoto-machida-usada-lab-test-results-peds-7-keto-dhea-18-month-suspension-ufc

 

This news has only just broke, his actual test result is clean. Nobody would even be aware he took something had he not volunteered the information himself. Plus it wasn't even on the USADA website as banned. 

[angel]

Im going off this from last week, it was on their prohibited list

 

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/11/23/13722704/usada-responds-in-detail-to-lyoto-machida-s-criticism-of-suspension

 

[Doomguy]

Flat out lies from the USADA guy.

 

1.Their site didn't actually have it on:

 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/11/25/13744574/usada-lyoto-machida-ped-7-keto-dhea-website-banned-q---a-brazilian-portuguese-information-unfair

 

2.It's not a performance enchancer.

 

I think instead of carrying this on they should admit they fucked up instead of dragging Machidas name through the mud making out like he was on roids or something. 

[angel]

Fucking hell, wow.

[Gotters]

Just watched Jones on JRE Podcast - he comes across mostly quite well I think, especially when talking about the future and fighting. Much better than that awful walk in the park interview he did a while back.

 

I think one of his problems in these things though is he does come across as inherently a guarded & shy individual and is hard to warm to, especially when talking about certain aspects of his prior transgressions. I'm still not sure he's telling the whole truth about the car accident but he seemed kind of forthcoming on the boner pills stuff.

[Doomguy]

I can't believe anything that comes out of Jon Jones mouth at this point. He tried to be the shy humble guy at the start of his career while going on coke bends. Has been caught cheating numerous times on his 'partner' of like 10 years who he has 3 kids with - what's going on there??? plus every so often comes out with loads of religious stuff which is just bizarre. He lies constantly. 

[schmojo]

4 hours ago, Gotters said:

 he seemed kind of forthcoming on the boner pills stuff.

 

Why wouldn't you be when it's your implausibly convenient cover story?

[Gotters]

he talked a lot about the pills, what was in them, and he did so in a less shifty manner than when talking about the car crash and wouldn't look at Joe (I deliberately watched the video so I could judge his demeanour while talking). He also talked about his pride in being a clean athlete. 

 

he's a divisive character though and people who hate him won't listen to a word of it, their mind is already made up on him.

[Doomguy]

4 hours ago, Gotters said:

he's a divisive character though and people who hate him won't listen to a word of it, their mind is already made up on him.

 

I don't think people hate him, but he has lied to the point where it's effected his career and ruined his chances of being considered the greatest of all time. It's completely self inflicted also, so the fact he's still trying to shift the blame tells everyone he's not learnt a thing. There's not much anyone can say to him at this point either. Like 'oh right, this time you've really changed and are on the straight and narrow... ok'.  It's like listening to BJ Penn saying 'I wasn't motivated' as an excuse to losing or Tito Ortiz going on about his none existent injuries. It gets tiresome. 

 

 

[angel]

Fighting wise, JJ is one of my favourites ever. The way he dismantled opponents and didnt play the hugs all round game afterwards. His practical joke on Dana with Rumble was the stuff of legends. Unfortunately he's become the boy who cried wolf now.  Not watched Rogan yet, that may change my currrent opinion.

[Doomguy]

13 hours ago, angel said:

Not watched Rogan yet, that may change my currrent opinion.

 

The way he talks about the hit and run is bizarre. 'I came through a lot of adversity with the hit and run I want to inspire'. wtf. He talks in a way like he's the victim it's so odd. No Jon, you hit a pregnant women in a car, left her for dead then went back to get your weed and coke. That's not overcoming adversity that's being a scumbag. 

[Gotters]

I thought the accident was him at his shiftiest - I'm more inclined to believe the PED stuff than his explanation of the accident

 

[Tofu]

I went into this giving Jon Jones a fair shake.

 

But damn. This interview reveals the guy is a complete narcissist (to the point where it's a legit disorder). He needs real mental health care.

 

He talks about the car accident in a way like, "this was an obstacle the world created that I needed to conquer." Rather than, "this was a obstacle I created, that I need to fully own up to and take responsibility for."

[Doomguy]

15 minutes ago, Tofu said:

He talks about the car accident in a way like, "this was an obstacle the world created that I needed to conquer." Rather than, "this was a obstacle I created, that I need to fully own up to and take responsibility for."

 

Excellently worded. He makes it sound like he had an injury or debilitating disease.  

 

[cerseis eyebrows]

Never seen a Jon Jones interview cos I've no interest in him but I gave the podcast a watch as I like Rogan. First impression was that he seemed like a nice enough, calm, thoughtful guy. Then he started talking about the accident and how he was upset about the woman being pregnant. Well, not upset about the woman being pregnant, but upset about the woman being pregnant giving him negative publicity. And it become apparent that he's a self absorbed dim cunt.

[ckny]

How is that scorecard even possible.

[Tofu]

Goldie is apparently leaving. 

[Tofu]

10 hours ago, ckny said:

How is that scorecard even possible.

Glenn Trowbridge. A tennis coach turned politician turned MMA judge. Someone who has a track record of shitty decisions and has no business in this sport.

[Doomguy]

6 hours ago, Tofu said:

Goldie is apparently leaving. 

 

Get Bas in ASAP. 

[Nathan Wind]

 

Best takedown I've seen all year.

 

 

 

 

[Tofu]

38 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

 

Get Bas in ASAP. 

 

Bas would be amazing, however, he be a better fit if Rogan eventually leaves.

 

Anyway gotta to say I like Goldberg 

 

To the people saying he is bad: yeah he is bad, but that is his role. He reads the advertisements and is someone that Joe Rogan can play off against. The dumb stuff he says always gives Joe an opening. His role is to pepper small comments in that his cohost can expound upon(with a joke or insight).

 

Joe and Goldberg help make these events fun/funny. Other commenters are too serious and just make the events sound like any other sport(which is probably what the new owners want anyway).

 

This sport is two people trying to kill each other. It needs levity.

[Doomguy]

40 minutes ago, Tofu said:

 

Bas would be amazing, however, he be a better fit if Rogan eventually leaves.

 

Anyway gotta to say I like Goldberg 

 

To the people saying he is bad: yeah he is bad, but that is his role. He reads the advertisements and is someone that Joe Rogan can play off against. The dumb stuff he says always gives Joe an opening. His role is to pepper small comments in that his cohost can expound upon(with a joke or insight).

 

I agree. He's been unintentionally hilarious at times. 

 

Goldie: 'MICHAEL JORDAN-ESQUE IN HIS GRAPPLING SKILLS IS TRAVIS LUTTER, JOE!'

 

Rogan: 'No... no he's not'.

 

Edit:

 

Had to rewatch some of his fuck ups. They're brill ha. 

 

 

[angel]

As painful as it is hearing goldie ruining fights with his "embrace the grind" and "his precision is precise" drivel , I do prefer him to Anik..who is more knowledgable, seems to have more about him, even got the Stockton area code tattooed on himself after Nate Diaz won and he said he would...I just can't warm to his voice. It's so fake and too slick. Stann is great but better as a sidekick, Florian I find a bit flat...Mike is like the lovable idiot who bookends the UFC broadcasts.

 

I just have this feeling now that it's all being dismantled, and the process is accelerating. Clueless new owners, terrible sponsors, a dearth of big name newcomers (talent yes, charisma..not so much), thinner and thinner cards, less legit challengers, Rogan only doing home grown shows now, the fighter association thing kicking up a notch, the Ali act incoming, Conor having changed the game and people are demanding better contracts, I think we're in for a real lull next year. If they start losing the main anchor, colour commentators and so on, it could start to look really bad really fast. Bas would replace Rogan reasonably well, sure, but not Goldie. You need that kind of prat who can say "Corn nuts, Corn to the Core" with a straight face.

[Orion]

The rumour is both Goldberg and Rogan are to be replaced.

 

If so don't be expecting Bas. The UFC have never had any interest bringing him in as a commentator. He was fantastic back in Pride especially with Stephen Quadros but his style wouldn't suit UFC. TBH he has been kind of rubbish when I've heard him in WSOF as well. He doesn't know who half the fighters there are, which I guess neither do I, but I expect the expert colour commentator should do.

 

Goldberg is a great shill like angel says so surprised they want rid. It would be Anik who would replace him as play by play man I think. Just basically replacing him with a younger version.

 

Rogan well I doubt this new corporate UFC likes his drug stance or how open he is on his podcast with his views. They might be thinking Army hero, ex UFC fighter Brian Stann is the better mainstream sports pick. I'm a big fan of his as well. Lacks Rogan's OTT enthusiasm but has none of his bias and has far better stand up knowledge and abilty to break down fights. They have Cruz, Florian, Hardy, Cormier who can do the colour part as well. Frank Mir was fantastic back in WEC as was Stephan Bonnar if needed. They have loads of guys to replace Rogan tbh. I get the feeling Bisping would be really good at it too and he will be retired in the next year or so.

 

I do like Rogan though and it will be a great shame when he is gone. Goldberg hmmm not so much but he seems a nice guy and loves the UFC. As long as they don't bring in Mauro fucking Ranallo it will be fine.

[Gotters]

Anik gets on my nerves way more than Goldie does - his insistence on using full fighter nicknames all the time 'great short jab there from the korean zombie' and the fact he sounds like Arnie Pie in the sky from the Simpsons being my main gripes.

 

I agree Rogan's issue isn't what he does when he's at UFC events, its all the other stuff, he's the antithesis of a shiny big media corporate man and seems to have been preparing himself for a split for quite a while now, he talks about it a lot and says he prefers fight companion podcasts to actually commentating.

 

The new direction from the new owners is either going to be ruinous or we'll just end up as the old men in the crowd after the premier league was formed talking about Don Revie & Chopper Harris and how this isn't proper football.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if at some point they look to stop the numbering system (maybe the new tv deal time) to have a real break from the past

 

does appear Eddie Bravo lets the cat out the bag here on Goldie

 

http://www.craziestsportsfights.com/watch-eddie-bravo-drops-ufc-bombshell-podcast-participants-scramble-cover/

[angel]

I knew there'd be changes but I honestly didn't expect such a total clearout. Weigh ins are never the same without Rogan shouting his intro....Dana White..without whom none of this would be possible...even Goldie gets that stuff wrong. I'm wondering if maybe (like I think it was mentioned in here?) the Fertitas might buy it back cheap in a few years once WME IMG or whoever they are have fucked it right up.

 

I think Bisping would be a decent shout down the line if it wasnt for his voice, he's too squeaky and speaks too fast. Hardy I like, but I'm not sure how 'in' he is, I've seen him on a panel with Dana and he was almost ignored. I quite like the brit who does the UK shows and unibet stuff with Hardy but he's too unknown. I think the best thing Anik does is call Stann the greatest living American, Stanns face is always a picture.