Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[schmojo]

It's a shame that a meaningless fight like Mac/Diaz 2 is the record-breaker. Now they'll just be throwing any ranking-ignoring nonsense at the PPV buy wall to see what sticks.

 

In more sensible news, Shane Carwin has entered Rizin's Openweight GP. Can't wait.

[Doomguy]

50 minutes ago, schmojo said:

In more sensible news, Shane Carwin has entered Rizin's Openweight GP. Can't wait.

 

So potentially we might see Shane Carwin vs Wanderlei Silva. Woah. I'll watch.

[angel]

They're not the same weight class these days surely, wandys light heavy, carwin was around 270 wasnt he?

[schmojo]

OWGP!  Pride never dies! 

[angel]

Oh open weight, of course. 

[Doomguy]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/29/13463384/ufc-fabricio-werdum-removed-from-spanish-commentary-duties-following-anti-reebok-comments

 

Man I've never been the biggest Werdum fan but he's winning me over. This year alone he's destroyed Browne and kicked his twat coach, and has now told Reebok to fuck themselves.

 

$200,000 to $5,000 is an absolute disgrace. To then sack him from doing commentary is a farce. He's totally justified in being pissed off. 

[schmojo]

Rockhold's out of the Jacare rematch I think that's s the MW match I had most interest in too. 

 

Or Jacare vs anyone top 3-4.

 

Fuck it. Book Jacare/Camozzi 3.

[skittles]

It's been too long since the last event. 10 days to go.

[Yobo Ahoy]

Dump Mousasi vs Hall and go Gegard / Jacare 3. 

 

Anyway McGeary vs Davis in Bellator this Friday (UK TV Saturday night) which I've been looking forward to for a while, McGeary's first major test. 

 

On a related note didn't realise their Dublin show is a co-promotion with Bamma, that's gonna be great. 

 

 

[schmojo]

I wouldn't want to derail Mousasi's resurgence so quickly. 

 

In fact, I'd happily not see those two fight each other again until it's for the belt. Assuming Mousasi can keep it together for once, goddamnit.

 

Surely Davis mangles McGeary all over the shop?

[Yobo Ahoy]

I dunno, I'm a big fan of McGeary so far - he's pretty special on the ground. He has legs like vines, the Newton fight was mad.

 

 

[schmojo]

Davis' wrestling is top 2 or 3 amongst LHWs, and his striking is cracking at times.

 

You're right though, we've not seen enough of McGeary to know if he can hang with the likes of Davis. I'm expecting an obliteration unless the Bellator lifestyle has made Mr Wonderful a little slack.

[Doomguy]

23 hours ago, schmojo said:

Rockhold's out of the Jacare rematch I think that's s the MW match I had most interest in too. 

 

Or Jacare vs anyone top 3-4.

 

Fuck it. Book Jacare/Camozzi 3.

 

I want Jacare to fight for the belt now.  It's taking the absolute piss at this point that he's not had a title shot. 

[angel]

He lost his 2nd last outing though.

 

Dillashaw v Lineker in the works for 207, potential barn burner and upset.

[schmojo]

A split decision loss (which was a bad call anyway) against a potential drug cheat shouldn't be held against Jacare at this point.

 

It's ridiculous that he hasn't had his shot, but I just don't see him getting in there in the next title fight. Or even 2, depending on how things go.

 

He *might* be the best MW going right now, but I'd need to see how he performs against Weidman or modern-day Rockhold to be sure.

 

[angel]

These days you need the talent and a mouth to go with it, the last thing the UFC wants is more none/poor english speaking champs.

[Doomguy]

Ultimate talking championship. New division needed. 

[glb]

McGregor would sign up tomorrow.

[Doomguy]

Speaking of shit talking did anyone see Sonnen and Tito try and promote their fight? it was cringe worthy. 

 

[angel]

Titos a berk but I love chael, he's always great on podcasts.

[Tofu]

28 minutes ago, angel said:

Titos a berk but I love chael, he's always great on podcasts.

 

Chael is a scumbag, he's a documented liar, criminal, and cheater. Plus he never learned how to defend a submission properly and he's got pillow fists. Yeah PILLOW fists!!!

[angel]

I disagree, I think he's great. He was open about his ped stuff (he's right, even ibroprofen is a ped) and he's very entertaining.

[Tofu]

1 hour ago, angel said:

I disagree, I think he's great. He was open about his ped stuff (he's right, even ibroprofen is a ped) and he's very entertaining.

 

He has lied many tines about his usage. it was only until all his lies were exposed that he told the truth. It's easy to tell the truth when everyone knows you're lying otherwise. He didn't tell the truth (more than once) when it mattered, so why you're giving him credit for it I do not know.

[angel]

He told a great story a few months back. Close your eyes if you want to listen yourself.

 

He said in the early days of UFC, Dana and Vince Mcmahahon (WWE) had a decent relationship, Dana really respected his business model and looked up to him. The UFC was struggling at the time they'd just bought it, they really were going from show to show to stay afloat, before TUF really kicked it off and got them some exposure. Anyway, they were due to do a show, and Mcmahon got in touch with Goldie and told him, he'd pay him a six figure sum in dollars to just not turn up. Like not tell anyone, not say anything, just not turn up for the broadcast. This is when they were really trying to build a brand so such a loss would be a real disaster for them.

 

This is part of the reason Goldie is still around, he basically phoned Dana straight up and said look, Vince Mcmahon tried to sabotage your show, he wanted to pay me off to just drop you in it and do a no show. Dana pretty much gave him a new contract on the spot and bought him a car, he knew Goldie could have seriously screwed him, and this is why he's shown such loyalty to the people who were there at the start.

 

Pretty great story, never came out til Chael put it out there on the Rogan show.

[Orion]

I tend to go with that story is BS as 90% of what Sonnen says is BS tbh.

 

All of his "opinions" when he was banned were just desperate clickbait type shit. "Conor will never beat Diaz, Nate beats him 1000 times out of a 1000", "Judo does not work in MMA", "everyone in Pride was cheating on drugs not like the UFC"....

 

He can be a decent guest on Rogan, Fighter and the Kid tbh when he has someone to reign him in but he talks so much BS its easy to see why people hate him. His podcast and his pro wrestling style 'promos' have got very old too. It comes across like he is reading a cheesy script.

[schmojo]

Most definitely.

 

Chael isn't quite p4p of the 'you'd have to be insane to believe this guy' list, but he's certainly top 5.

 

Also, if true, it was Goldie's smartest ever move. He's garbage. It's like he's an empty-headed drone with Corn Nuts and Xyience pouring out of his stupid mouth. Even after about 20 years.

[Tofu]

2 hours ago, angel said:

He told a great story a few months back. Close your eyes if you want to listen yourself.

 

He said in the early days of UFC, Dana and Vince Mcmahahon (WWE) had a decent relationship, Dana really respected his business model and looked up to him. The UFC was struggling at the time they'd just bought it, they really were going from show to show to stay afloat, before TUF really kicked it off and got them some exposure. Anyway, they were due to do a show, and Mcmahon got in touch with Goldie and told him, he'd pay him a six figure sum in dollars to just not turn up. Like not tell anyone, not say anything, just not turn up for the broadcast. This is when they were really trying to build a brand so such a loss would be a real disaster for them.

 

This is part of the reason Goldie is still around, he basically phoned Dana straight up and said look, Vince Mcmahon tried to sabotage your show, he wanted to pay me off to just drop you in it and do a no show. Dana pretty much gave him a new contract on the spot and bought him a car, he knew Goldie could have seriously screwed him, and this is why he's shown such loyalty to the people who were there at the start.

 

Pretty great story, never came out til Chael put it out there on the Rogan show.

This is a true story, but Chael has some of the details wrong, and it was pretty well known when it happened.

 

It wasn't a PPV, it was UFC Fight Night 3, which Spike, former home to WWE Raw, put head-to-head on a Monday night with WWE Raw's return to the USA Network. Goldberg was in serious negotiations with WWE; it was a very real offer. It was far enough along that Vince decided Goldberg had to change his name for television because he hated Bill Goldberg at the timeI don't remember what the monetary figure was to no-show the Fight Night, but it was in the six-figure range.

 

Trying to get Goldberg to no-show was more Vince going after Spike than anything to do with Dana. 

[Gotters]

this just popped into my YouTube recommended list, for the connoisseur of freak shows, not heard of many of these (especially the one that looks like the output of the fly machine if you stuck in Clay Guida and 300lbs of cow growth hormone)

 

 

[Doomguy]

I miss Pride when you'd get fights like this every so often. Can a smaller guys skillset overcome a bloke who is just a giant freak of nature? the answer mostly seemed to be yes. 

 

It's sad in some respects too, as you're reminded if Bob Sapp had even a thimble of coordination he'd have been a champion. 

[schmojo]

On 11/2/2016 at 13:18, schmojo said:

Davis' wrestling is top 2 or 3 amongst LHWs, and his striking is cracking at times.

 

You're right though, we've not seen enough of McGeary to know if he can hang with the likes of Davis. I'm expecting an obliteration unless the Bellator lifestyle has made Mr Wonderful a little slack.

 

Well, that went entirely as expected. Good for Bellator too - the more elite-level (or even credible) champs they have, the better.

 

Don't think I've ever seen that happen to Sergei before though!