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I know its Chael Sonnen running his mouth here on Rogan about the failed test for Jon Jones, but assuming he has some kind of inside line and if true does make JJ look pretty rotten - with big new investment and owners this isn't the time to be testing their patience on bad publicity.

 

I'm fully in the camp that Jones is one of the all time greats as a fighter, but his PPV numbers aren't stellar and they may just decide he's a set of headaches they can do without  

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@Gotters the rogan podcast with chael is a great watch, particularly is tales of TUF brazil and wanderleis drug tests...totally opened my eyes, im one who believed the media crap that 'he ran from the tests'.  I'd have ran from that shit aswell, unknown bloke turning up with a needle? nope

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Chael is great value, but shows how good Rogan is at this podcast game as I far more enjoy listening to them talking together, than Chael on his own podcast, which I find kind of irritating as he's a bit too 'on' and kissing guests arses.

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Regarding the UFC sale. UFC had it's best year ever last year with around 600m in revenue and around 160m in earnings.Compare that to a very conservative 8% return on 4 billion dollars equating to 320m (double UFC's best ever year).  You could buy tax free bonds with 4 billion and net more than what the UFC earned the year prior (2014) without doing any work. 

 

So for the current shareholders this is a number which is very hard to turn down.... Zuffa has denied other offers,  Fox made an offer for over 2 billion and they turned it down.

 

For the new owners the equation is different:

 

Guys like Ari Emanuel (WME-IMG) has leverage and access to shelf space that you cant buy. They already have a presence in china and chinese joint venture partners. WME-IMG and the new owners have access to shelf space that would take a decade for Zuffa to get access to if any.  

 

Ari Emanuel is the guy who negotiated the fox deal for Zuffa.

 

He already knows what espn and fox are going to pay when the current deal is done.  It will be at least double the current deal and that's just for the American Market.  These fuckers have leverage all over the world in media, banking, politics, etc...  the new owners have "ruling class" leverage.

 

They can overturn governments if they want... that's the type of power we are talking about.

 

in 5 to 10 years UFC will be worth alot more than it is now.  Today owning the  UFC is worth more to people like Ari Emanuel than it is to people like Lorenzo Fertitta.

for the fans:

 

The UFC is going to get a lot stronger.  

 

For the fighters:

 

alot more opportunities, however anyone dreaming of a 50-50 split can keep dreaming.  There's only 1 UFC whereas you have a pool of 6 billion people you can develop fighters from (remember this sport was built on talents like forrest griffin and stephan bonnar.... there's virtually an unlimited supply of that).  And even the higher end talents like GSP and Anderson, they were fighting for free at one point...  some people are born to fight and it doesn't matter how much the pay is you will always have those, conversely there are poeple who just cant fight and wont no matter what the high end pay is. 

 

How much revenue was Conor generating when he was the dual BW and LW cage warriors champ?  Now how much revenue is conor generating as a BW UFC champ?  Minus the difference and you'll have the value that UFC brings to the table.

 

If you did the math correctly you'll realize the fighters are actually underpaid.

 

As far as legislation like the ali act, It's going to be even more improbable getting it through with the new owners than it was with the old owners.  Just watch as the co sponsors begin dwindling after this sale is made official.

 

MMA fighters dont represent a big enough voting constituency to make any politician care (only 500 fighters split up not only accross hundreds of districts and states but accross the globe) and they dont have enough money to buy the political capital.  YOu need to represent a meanigfull constituency or money and prefferably both if you want anything done. 

 

With the new owners you also lose out the culinary union and other groups who were fighting the Fertitta Brothers through the UFC.  As far as collective bargaining... you have to first re-classify the fighters as "employees" instead of independent contractors to legally bargain collectively.  

 

But let's assume all of that happens...  what leverage do you have?  There is nothing a union can do that would cost the UFC more than a 50-50 split during the life of the company (ie: it would actually cost the UFC less to let the fighters sit out allow the union to implode than it would to give any power to a collective bargaining body)

a 50-50 split would cost the UFC billions of dollars over the life of the business whereas they can easily sign fighters from all the regional promotions to fill the roster and collect the tv licensing fees while the fighters on strike begin to break and while watching the union implode. Once the picket line is broken and the casaulties are counted the fighters will never again think of unionization. 

 

Also, individuals like Conor or Nate sitting out on their own is less effective today than it was when more than 60% of UFC revenue was ppv... today it's a fraction and tomorrow with the new tv and other deals coming it will be an even smaller fraction. Trying to change UFC's payscale by sitting out is not going to work... when they were primarily dependent on 16 ppv's a year and only had spike money it would have been more effective but today it's not going to happen.

 

Unfortunately there is nothing the fighters can do nor any lever they can pull that will cost the UFC more during the life of the business than a 50-50 revenue split.

going through a fighter strike/fighter holdout, buying political power to block legislation, etc... are all significantly cheaper for the UFC  than a 50-50 split or capitualting in any way to collective bargaining. That's the unfortunate reality for those who think they can shake the UFC down.

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@Tofu I was gona say, that severely changes your points :)

 

you might be right, maybe its gona suddenly explode and grow again..but I'd not be surprised myself to see some big missteps, like playing hardball with Fox and losing that deal, or enforcing too much media on the fighters and more big names quitting. subtract conor, nate, ronda from the roster and it sunddenly looks very bare indeed. 

 

gona be an interesting few months for sure, and I bet Ariel is digging around for dirt already

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14 hours ago, Orion said:

Its his home crowd but he lives and trains in California now. He left the UK and Wolfslair years ago.

 

 

True but this is where he started.

 

I was watching some Hendo highlights and 25 minutes is a long time to go without getting hit. The one he caught Shogun with was brutal (the noise argh). 

 

Makes me wish Shogun would make the drop to 185lbs. I know he's shot now, but other than a Hendo bomb he has one of the best chins in mma. He always looked a bit soft at 205lbs anyway. 

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On 14/07/2016 at 08:53, Gotters said:

Ferguson v Vannata on last nights card is the craziest first 5mins of a fight I've seen in ages, its more like watching the UFC game than a real fight.

 

Crazy fight

 

Main event Lineker v McDonald is great too

 Watched this earlier, right on both counts. Never heard of this Vanatta guy but he looked great, shame he didn't really defend himself in the 2nd - he's a talented striker but without defence you're just the next Sanchez / Garcia. 

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Depends what it is really, could be something innocent like the time someone took some hayfever medicine that had traces of steroids in it (can't remember who it was). Also look at Shako at Liverpool, he got busted for something and then it was thrown out.

 

Obviously they've found something and thats a fact but his other 4 results in the 2 weeks were clean. Seems very odd in that small period during his testing he's suddenly taken some performance enhancer. 

 

I'll wait to see what it is before passing judgement. 

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18 hours ago, Stevedave said:

Mark Hunt is rightfully fuming. It's the third time he's fought roiders in the UFC and lost out on money from a long lay off. Hope he gets paid a fortune.

Rumours have it, it was due to an inhaler intake and not down to PEDs. I'll wait for all the info to come out before calling him a steroid junkie or cheat (let's not forget he passed the other 4 tests). Everyones so quick to judge these days before all the facts even come out.

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10 hours ago, Nathan Wind said:

Did anyone see Michael Page vs Cyborg last night? :o

 

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Cyborg's face broke and Page rolled a Pokeball at him.....

 

 

 

Beautiful KO. Still can't work out if he is the real deal or just a show pony, but damn he's consistently entertaining.

 

Shame about Daley, Lima looked bloody huge against him though. Rematch vs Koreshkov should be decent. 

 

Edit: Cyborg has a fractured skull. Looks horrific. Yikes.

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