Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Shoes]

6 hours ago, Orion said:

"as legitimate as WWE"

 

Did you miss the whole part where one is real fighting and the other is pretend. Its a big reason why one is breaking PPV records and the other is dying.

 

[angel]

3 hours ago, Corrogate said:

 

Interesting u-turn angel, especially when you feel self-assured enough to make posts like this.

 

U turn on what, the helwani thing? I guess it is, I've changed my mind after getting more information (although I know this is the internet, I should nail down my flag to the mast and defend it at all costs).

 

I dont think his mma hour was crocodile tears I think he meant it, but yeah..danas saying he knew what he was doing in fucking them over on that story, so I guess so yeah, I've changed sides.

[schmojo]

7 hours ago, angel said:

 

Because its now cost him access to the UFC. Sure he's got his credential back, he can attend, but he's burnt his bridges with Dana, and I imagine you'll soon have Dana advising fighters not to appear on his show if they want to stay in the good books. This will have a huge trickle down to mmafighting.com, as Dana already said on that podcast I linked, its already changed they way they work hugely, this specific story from Ariel.

 

Any outlet that is too scared of one of the organisations they cover to report properly is a worthless outlet anyway. If MMAFighting would rather play ball with a capricious, spiteful, hateful cunt called Dana White than do their jobs properly, they'd have nothing at all.

 

I wonder if it'll lead to Sherdog and Cagepotato getting their creds back?

 

When you heard the news, did you not feel like checking out the broadcast to see if it was bullshit or not? If I'm not watching live, I normally fast forward through non-fight bits, but I actually watched their promo to double check that it was true. I don't understand how people don't see that, with the PPV format, Ariel could have even earned them more buys for that show.

 

[angel]

2 hours ago, schmojo said:

 

Any outlet that is too scared of one of the organisations they cover to report properly is a worthless outlet anyway. If MMAFighting would rather play ball with a capricious, spiteful, hateful cunt called Dana White than do their jobs properly, they'd have nothing at all.

 

I wonder if it'll lead to Sherdog and Cagepotato getting their creds back?

 

When you heard the news, did you not feel like checking out the broadcast to see if it was bullshit or not? If I'm not watching live, I normally fast forward through non-fight bits, but I actually watched their promo to double check that it was true. I don't understand how people don't see that, with the PPV format, Ariel could have even earned them more buys for that show.

 

 

I dont agree with this all or nothing stuff you're saying though..not reporting the brock thing doesnt mean being in their pocket. They've covered stuff for years that the UFC hates them doing, but its always been the rough and tumble. This one though almost fucked up the entire relationship with WWE..no more brock..no more ronda for them, and they spend a fortune on this promo stuff. Thats why they were pissed off..lorenzo was furious apparantly and white agreed.  I agree the UFC are arseholes sometimes, but dana is super honest when he's not getting shit like that from ariel (who he built up, as they both acknowledge).  My ideal scenario would have been ariel got the news and told the UFC, and they said yup but dont spoiler us please.  He didnt do it, he wanted glory, and I blame him for his own fate.

 

In other news, cowboy complaining about his pay...he got 200,000 dollars for his last fight and the gate was 900,000. So its not all bad. Jojo got bonussed for it, lorenzo and dana got in touch, upped her contract, gave her a bonus. These undisclosed payments really help the fighters out, and Im glad they do that. Sure, reebok sponsorship stinks, but they are paying people discretionary stuff. When pena got her nose smashed by joanna, the UFC paid for a top surgeon to fix her up immediately rather than some standard guy who would leave her with a boxers nose. I genuinely believe they look after people. White was genuine as fuck on that show, talking about putting the belt on bisping who he's been with for 10 years. If you're good to them, they repay it in spades. I like ariel but at this point hes just looking for scandal too much now, always poking for stuff that isnt there and blowing it up.

[schmojo]

You're criticising Ariel for being a glory-hunter in an argument with someone who gave himself a reality show?

 

Your problem is believing Dana. Ever. He's a pure snakeoil salesman who has been built up on the backs of many others. Everything you accuse Ariel of has been committed in many worse ways by Dana. And the suggestion that he nearly killed the WWE relationship is pure speculative bullshit.

 

Anyone doing their job properly is, in some way, chasing 'glory'. It's what his job is: getting attention so that he can do it more effectively in the future.

 

On another note, Dana praised Fedor after last week's shitshow, so I suspect a deal may be in the works...

[angel]

Dana is the UFC though, he's the star attraction in many ways. I do believe him in lots of things, he has no filter and comes out with a lot of straight talking. I like rogan, serra, his buddies, and I dislike a lot of his detractors like tito or randy couture, who is reputed to be a complete arse, just like dana says.

 

We can disagree, its ok, thats my take on this situation, im in danas camp on it.  They've definitely been after fedor for a while now, he confirmed talks have recently gone well, the fight did well for fight pass (the main reason he gave him props, i disagree actually I dont rate modern day fedor, considering what hendo is doing at 45 I think fedor looks poor).  But who could he fight? Any top 15 ufc heavyweight would walk through him. Maybe the could give him Gonzaga (#16) but I think he'd lose that too.

 

[schmojo]

I don't know who you can give Fedor at this point. He's abandoned his grappling, and his striking, and defence, looked awful last week.

 

Potentially, if he tried a new foreign camp, he might come back to life. But that will never ever happen.

 

I think your line about DJ being too much for him is closer to the truth than I'd like.

[Guest]

[schmojo]

I'm pretty excited by this. I want CM Punk to be grounded, pounded, and RNC'd by 2:30 of the first round.

 

And then probably to fuck off.

[Guest]

Is RNC some kind of finishing move?

[schmojo]

Indeed. Popularised by the late Chris Benoit in his final gauntlet match.

[Doomguy]

Cm Punk has been doing the gracie breakdown vids so maybe... just maybe he can submit whoever this other person is. 

[Doomguy]

 

Schilling got KO'd again by Kato  - That's Schillings tooth that goes flying apparently. 

 

First fight he got KO'd like this.

 

 

Reminds me of Dennis Hallman who was pretty average but managed to beat a prime Matt Hughes twice. 

 

[Yobo Ahoy]

Haha, watched it yesterday morning but didn't notice the tooth. Amazing. 

 

Dynamite was pretty decent though, Mitrione almost lost to Boxcar Seumanutafa, Rampage didn't look too pretty but Chandler's KO was brutal. Am coming round to him, always preferred Brooks and Alvarez in the title fights but he seems a bit more humble now. The kickboxing also was much more exciting this time too. More please! 

[schmojo]

Sad news - looks like Ryan Jimmo, former UFC LHW, was killed in a hit and run following an 'altercation' at the weekend.

 

It's a real shame, as he was articulate and enthusiastic about fighter rights. He also had some really bad luck in his UFC losses, suffering a leg injury against Manuwa, arm injury against OSP, and getting kicked low hard enough to be throwing up against Barroso.

 

RIP Jimmo!

[Orion]

I hope they catch the dickheads who did it. They ran him over in a car park as he was walking away.

 

RIP

 

[Gotters]

I know these are a bit shit but I quite enjoy them, in the same way I think as I enjoyed the Clarkson Top Gears, its just blokes dicking about (in a highly scripted way I know but still quite enjoyable)

 

 

[angel]

I dont think theyre that scripted, obviously the activities and 'discovered fighters' are, but the dialogues legit.

[Doomguy]

Holy shit. Hard to believe Matt Serra once made 145lbs. 

[Yobo Ahoy]

I begrudgingly enjoyed the first one but I'm refusing to watch any more just because it's a Dana vehicle and I don't want to increase his ego any more with youtube views.

[angel]

35 minutes ago, Yobo Ahoy said:

I begrudgingly enjoyed the first one but I'm refusing to watch any more just because it's a Dana vehicle and I don't want to increase his ego any more with youtube views.

 

just resolve it by saying to yourself..he's a promoter, thats his job. Ive got a pretty big dana forgiveness factor but once he started praising fedors chin, even I was like come on. But apart from that, just watch em, they're fun, serras great.  Serra on the MMA hour is a riot.

 

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/6/17/5817236/the-mma-hour-234-matt-serra

[Corrogate]

On 28/06/2016 at 9:20 AM, Gotters said:

I know these are a bit shit but I quite enjoy them, in the same way I think as I enjoyed the Clarkson Top Gears, its just blokes dicking about (in a highly scripted way I know but still quite enjoyable)

 

 

 

that's interesting, i made the same comparison, what with shit going wrong and all. the first two were pretty good but i turned it off when Dana came out that lake with a fishing hook attached; can't stand that fake shite - the reason i hate top gear.

 

and jim norton on that podcast? dude is such a cretin.

[Doomguy]

Vitor Beflort looking to rematch Anderson Silva. I'd be well up for that!

 

Bizarrely Anderson just called out Bisping which I'd like to see but definitely not with a title on the line - I want to see Hendo vs Bisping first.

[Corrogate]

Silva is a coward. Everyone is asking for a shot against Michael Bisping, GSP's a coward too. Never ever heard so many people being so audible about getting a title fight against someone, hope he dusts 'em all.

[Doomguy]

GSP knows he's done at 170lbs. Robbie Lawler would obliterate him. I think Bisping beats GSP at 185lbs too - no way GSP could lay on him for 5 rounds, Bispings too big and has great takedown defence.

 

I would like to see Vitor vs Silva, mind. It'd still be super entertaining.

[schmojo]

Lawler's skill set, at its peak, pales next to GSP. Obviously everything depends on what he looks like on a potential return, but it's insane to write a man with his record off based on speculation.

 

In terms of Bisping title shots, I struggle to see who he's favourite against in the top 10. Maybe Brunson, Mousasi and current Machida?

 

He should just go for the biggest money fight available.

[angel]

I think any Lawler of the last 4 years beats any GSP of the same.  Robbies a warrior, an absolute savage, GSP just could not hang with him. Hendrix won that GSP fight in many peoples eyes and look how he's been smoked by everyone since. I know thats MMA maths, but I think GPS loses to most of the champs these days. Hes a pioneer but the sport moves on fast..technique and training move on. GSP was gread at smushing people for 5 rounds, but that doesn't cut it any more. Robbie beats him, Bisping beats him (mainly down to size), if I were GSP I would leave it, does he really need 1 million dollars that badly to tarnish his legacy?

 

I agree on A silva, he's a classless joke, such a fall from grace for an ex champ. His record doesnt exactly stand up to scrutiny either as GOAT, I would put JJ or DJ firmly ahead on that.

[schmojo]

The sport moves on, but GSP was always *miles* ahead of the curve. Cardio, footwork, wrestling, submissions. You're talking about a guy who beat up Condit (who beat Lawler to my eyes). He can work on the feet.

 

The Hendricks fight is a bad comparison. Hendricks has amazing wrestling and a pressure game, and a power that Robbie could only dream of. He's seemingly on his downswing, but don't forget that Hendricks beat Lawler unanimously, and only lost by split decision.

 

You're giving Lawler way too much credit. GSP could come back broken, but it takes some very dodgy MMAth to have GSP lose to anyone at all.

 

 

 

[Corrogate]

Lawler would fucking abuse GSP, he'd go into retirement straight after.

[schmojo]

 

Alright guys. The guy who has made mincemeat of one-dimensional fighters for the best part of a decade wouldn't stand a chance against a guy who potentially should have lost his title twice already.

 

People have short memories. The only one who beats GSP handily is himself.