Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[glb]

Just caught up with 197, not a great event but DJ was impressive (shy and retiring, isn't he?) and the Rodriguez knock out was absolutely brutal, such sweet timing.

 

Never been drawn to Jones, match was a bit of a non-event although OSP can at least say he took a pound-for-pound great the distance, regardless of how rusty the former champ was. Cormier co-commentating was an interesting angle, even though he kept things professional you could see he wanted to say a few more things about Jones. 

[pinholestar]

Considering all the bad blood between him & Jones, I thought Cormier was excellent on commentary & very professional. You could tell that it was tough for him to see Jones looking that undercooked & knowing that he was missing his best opportunity to beat him but he said some insightful things & it was an interesting angle to have his view. Once he's done in the octagon a career in that field surely beckons.

[Doomguy]

The best UFC commentary team I've heard was Couture and Rogan. The dream team of course is Bass and Rogan but for some weird reason the UFC think goldie is good.

 

 

[Corrogate]

Jon Jones looked great. The first person to really fuck with him was a guy who was as tall and has the reach to tag him in range so fair play, he won convincingly and that's the most important thing.

 

OSP landed some good shots, but I think Rogan put it best when he said Jon can be the hammer and the nail. The fight with DC was a war in those first three rounds. The spinning back kicks he put on OSP were huge, and he was close to a stoppage at the end of the third round. People saying if DC was in there, well, I believe it would be a different story completely.

[schmojo]

17 minutes ago, Corrogate said:

People saying if DC was in there, well, I believe it would be a different story completely.

 

I agree with you on this completely. Jones put out a performance that he knew was enough to beat OSP - he wouldn't have fought the same way against a Cormier or Johnson.

 

[angel]

11 hours ago, Stevedave said:

The best UFC commentary team I've heard was Couture and Rogan. The dream team of course is Bass and Rogan but for some weird reason the UFC think goldie is good.

 

 

 

NO. QUESTION.

 

youre right of course but Bas would be classed as a colour commentator, goldie is just the anchor who reads out sponsors and holds it together. I've seen it when he was absent once, I think it was before Anik too, and it does lack something. He just provides a structure, Joe is no good on his own and neither would Bas be, they need that stiffness next to them to read out all the boring stuff.

 

Corn nuts. CRUNCH. Corn to the core.

[glb]

I did get an urge after watching 197 to never, ever download Mobile Strike.

[angel]

[Couch Corpse]

On 4/24/2016 at 0:47 PM, Gotters said:

I suspect as you won't see Jones like that again 

Only a matter of time before he gets busted again, he can't help himself. He seems bored with fighting.

 

 

[angel]

A few things are souring me lately, I've been watching the UFC (predominantly) since about 2006 ish, Couture and Liddell on Bravo got me into it but i've been getting increasinly dissatisfied with a fair few aspects of it. Every show seems to be built up lately as a huge deal, but with stakes so high these days it tends to result in 2 top level guys cancelling each other out, even a dominant ish win goes to a decision. Its not that I just crave knockouts, but Pettis Barboza for example, they are both so good that neither is going to really get smashed, one just had the edge. Supposed P4P jones cant pull the trigger against a journeyman fighter who had no camp and broke his arm in round 2. He got 500,000 dollars for that distinctly average effort, and thats only disclosed pay. He "owed the fans something" so he fought. Oh thanks, I really appreciate you earning half a million dollars for me Jon, what a tough life.

 

Then the macgregor stuff that has come to a head. He's too big for the promotion now, the UFC are clamping down on him hard. Pulling him off 200, making sure he knows his place. He's made his money though, he could tell them where to go. For a while now he's not even been there in interviews, he has a glazed expression and regurgitates his WWE speeches, but he's not been there as a real person. And he's finally admitted it. The UFC is now a bunch of stars who dont really feel like throwing down any more (Ronda AWOL after her humiliation, GSP wont fight again because he'll lose and he knows it, Jones is walking a tightrope of sobriety, Conor is now too huge for a simple thing like a fight, etc etc), and asll we have left is wannabes like Aldo (total arsehole, constant twitter troll, no one in the US cared for him), Cain (made of glass, never fights), Frankie (always whinging, never draws much in the way of numbers), Tate (company girl fallen completely in line now shes champ, will probably lose this or the next defence), and the rest of the also rans who talk it up but dont deliver (Cowboy who crumbles anywhere near a title), RDA (great fighter, looks like he was stitched up in a lab, doesnt sell PPVs), Cruz (hanging together with string, the decisionator), Rockhold (arrogant tosspot, cannot bear to listen to his voice, public doesnt care for him).

 

All the headlines on the sites are Conor related, Dana mouthing off, people taking tainted supplements, outrageous paydays for the likes of Jones while everyone else gets 10k, the terrible card that is UFC 200.  Its just all getting a bit stale for me these days.

[Doomguy]

I prefer the old days when it was half tough guys half sport. It seems to be entirely about being a better athlete now, but I blame that mostly on the 'unified' rules which were made for wrestlers by wrestlers. 

[Gotters]

well they have properly shut the door on McG now with this news

 

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/4/27/11515252/jon-jones-versus-daniel-cormier-is-the-new-main-event-for-ufc-200

[Corrogate]

good. i need to see dillashaw fight again man, such talent! feels like it's been so long.

[Orion]

Jones vs Cormier 2 I am abit meh on. I don't like either of them and can't see past Jones beating him again. When they start the press build up for this I'll probably get back on board. They legit hate each other and the build for the first fight was nuts.

 

The whole card itself is full of really good fights.  I doubt it will do Conor, Rousey or 100 numbers but should do well.

[glb]

Totally missed that Cupcake is fighting Nunes; saw the rumours regarding Rousey's return and just assumed that would be that. Cool, good to see another name get a shot at the belt. If Cyborg wins next month, wonder if she'll be line up for a title bout at 203/204 (assuming UFC is intending for her to get down to 135 and not just fight at catchweight)?

[angel]

Rondas signed on for 3 more films, shes doing a carano, straight to dvd shite then she'll settle down with wife beater browne, pop out a few bronze medal olympian children on a trailer park, and end up looking like roseanne.. Its a fairy tale.

[glb]

I liked Haywire! Gina Carano looks good in films, and directors have realised she's a good strong and silent type. Ronda will get at least one more fight in the Octagon, although I also like the idea of a WWE-style storyline whereby every time Rowdy goes near a gym, the ghost of Holly Holm pops up to scare her away.

[angel]

She was unbearable by the end, I watched all the embeddeds, getting chaufferred around in limos to all the press stuff, slagging off women who use sex lubricant (really), just being an obnoxious brat with a free pass to do whatever she likes. Then on top of that inventing some supposed disrespect beef with Holm, the most congenial and professional opponent you could wish to meet. The aussie fans werent impressed with Ronda at the open workouts, they found her a bit of a prat and really sided with Holm, it was such a shame HH lost her next fight.  But yeah, I was so utterly sick of the Ronda hype, Rogan calling her a once of a lifetime athlete and so on, total and utter bullshit.

 

I know you take it all with a pinch of salt but ever since all that stuff I've really developed a cringe whenever I hear them try this shit again, calling Jones the greatest fighter of all time, and DJ the greatest p4p at a time when the sport is at its peak therefore he is also the greatest fighter ever known to man. Its horseshit, I used to give it a free pass but now it just raises my hackles, and I found it hilarious when Bendo got murdered in Bellator. All this UFC big show crap, no it isnt, its the richest but it sure isnt automatically the best. Hell, its populated by Strikeforce champions these days too, a few years back the UFC loved to permeate the myth that they had the best roster. Alvarez grinds Pettis out, Rockhold smashes Weidman, Tate is the womans champ now, all former supposed inferior Strikeforce stars. I still like a lot of the fighters, but im more keen on the quiet killers theyve got in there, Almeida who's main eventing soon is a badass, people like him.  Once they end up on the hype conveyor belt it just ruins everything.  Another rant, oh well.

[glb]

Good rant! Didn't see as much of Rousey over the years, but did lose a lot of respect for her when she appeared on The Ultimate Fighter. She was a colossal brat throughout. Tate antagonised her in places, but Rousey did herself no favours in how she dealt with things. Actually missed the Holm fight due to timing, but woke up and looked up reports expecting another arm-bar victory; was so please to see Holm win, but it was only when watching a replay got to see how awesome Holm performed. She dismantled Ronda.

 

Feelings towards her aside, Rousey has done a lot for the sport in generating interest, and her legacy should be paving the way for other, more accomplished fighters to lift the women's divisions to new heights.

[Gotters]

i think the trailblazing nature of Rousey as the first legitimate breakout female UFC fighter who was as big as any fighter in the game for a short while shouldn't be forgotten. She is also a colossal brat and became quite obnoxious, but that shouldn't tarnish the size of the initial achievement.

[angel]

Yeah, all good points, and happy to see the back of her also. She was on the cover of the Ring magazine 

 

[Orion]

The UFC would not even have any women at all if it wasn't for Ronda. A few years back Dana was publicly saying things like there is no chance the UFC will ever have female fighters. Then Ronda showed up in Strikeforce and they started to change their mind. 

 

For all her fault's she changed the whole game for women's MMA.

 

[Tofu]

Jesus,

22 minutes ago, angel said:

Yeah, all good points, and happy to see the back of her also. She was on the cover of the Ring magazine 

 

Arm punches, shoulder flaring, zero head movement.

 

 

[angel]

19 hours ago, Orion said:

The UFC would not even have any women at all if it wasn't for Ronda. A few years back Dana was publicly saying things like there is no chance the UFC will ever have female fighters. Then Ronda showed up in Strikeforce and they started to change their mind. 

 

For all her fault's she changed the whole game for women's MMA.

 

 

I'm not arguing with any of this, totally true, I watched it all unfold aswell with Danas backtracking.  Strong rumours she was sleeping with dana later on aswell.

[Tofu]

On 26/04/2016 at 2:15 PM, angel said:

 

 

Then the macgregor stuff that has come to a head. He's too big for the promotion now, the UFC are clamping down on him hard. Pulling him off 200, making sure he knows his place. He's made his money though, he could tell them where to go. For a while now he's not even been there in interviews, he has a glazed expression and regurgitates his WWE speeches, but he's not been there as a real person. And he's finally admitted it. The UFC is now a bunch of stars who dont really feel like throwing down any more (Ronda AWOL after her humiliation, GSP wont fight again because he'll lose and he knows it, Jones is walking a tightrope of sobriety, Conor is now too huge for a simple thing like a fight, etc etc), and asll we have left is wannabes like Aldo (total arsehole, constant twitter troll, no one in the US cared for him), Cain (made of glass, never fights), Frankie (always whinging, never draws much in the way of numbers), Tate (company girl fallen completely in line now shes champ, will probably lose this or the next defence), and the rest of the also rans who talk it up but dont deliver (Cowboy who crumbles anywhere near a title), RDA (great fighter, looks like he was stitched up in a lab, doesnt sell PPVs), Cruz (hanging together with string, the decisionator), Rockhold (arrogant tosspot, cannot bear to listen to his voice, public doesnt care for him).

 

 

 

 

 

You think Aldo is a wannabe, cmon man even you know that ain't true. One loss and you write him off like that.

 

Cain made of glass?. Nope, he over exerts himself in training. One video shows him doing leg extensions which is a terrible exercise, the guy just doesn't know when to quit and over trains.

 

GSP scared of losing?. Seriously this is some bullshit right here. The guy was a champion for several years, he even mentioned it that the mental stress and the doping which made him leave as it left the playing field uneven.

 

Also I don't understand why you're fascinated with numbers, who cares if X doesn't draw as much as another. 

 

At the end of the day no one is forcing you to watch them, if you're that down and out about it then just quit for a while. 

[Tofu]

10 minutes ago, angel said:

 

not arguing with any of this, watched it all unfold aswell. Strong rumours she was sleeping with dana.

I really can't take your comments seriously now, you really believe that?. So you think for Rhonda to actually get into the UFC she slept with Dana White who I may add has only 5% stake in Zuffa. Dana can't do shit, its the Ferretti brothers who own and dictates what the UFC does. Dana is just a spokesperson and head of the company who has to eat all the shit. 

[Tofu]

Plus its pretty disgusting that you think that sleeping with Dana helped her get into the UFC.

[Orion]

"strong rumours" too. From where ? mouth breathers on Sherdog forums.

 

As Tofu said suggesting she slept her way to her position is fucking insane.

[Doomguy]

She did become unbearable I agree. The worst was when she got offended by some comment about suicide like it was a personal attack - it was quite the insight into how much her head had ballooned. 

 

[Tofu]

9 hours ago, Stevedave said:

She did become unbearable I agree. The worst was when she got offended by some comment about suicide like it was a personal attack - it was quite the insight into how much her head had ballooned. 

 

 

Bethe said Ronda can't handle losses, and joked that she might try to kill herself after losing to her. Ronda's Dad committed suicide so the comment didn't go down well, though Bethe said she didn't mean to reference her Dad. I think Ronda was justifiably upset and well beyond trash talking.

 

What I resent the most about Rousey is that she's being portrayed as a role model. She's getting so much publicity and people are setting her up as an idol to women and girls. And this right here is the perfect picture of her. The woman that was the Queen Bitch on TUF, picked on Arianny, and stood against bullying. The woman that stood up for having confidence in your body, and called Cyborg an "it." The woman that made fun of Mayweather for domestic abuse and bragged about beating the shit out of her boyfriend in her book.

She's an amazing fighter (in comparison to her competition), but she's a damn terrible person.