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Doomguy

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I've always seen steroids as a performance enhancer for guys who want to compete above their natural weight class and look like a tank.

Vitor Beflort - former heavyweight who should be a middleweight

Thiago Alves - 170lber who really should be fighting at 155lbs.

Hector Lombard - roided to the max. Should be a 155lbs but has fought at light heavy.

Ken Shamrock - I mean, the guy has weighed 240lbs but he's smaller than some 145lb fighters.

Randy Couture - He'd be a middleweight in this era.

List is endless.

TRT and HGH seem to be for fighters looking for an endurance improvement, which is why we saw two inhuman performances from Sonnen in the first Silva fight and Dos Anjos against Pettis - I don't think fighting the way they did in those fights is possible without drugs. They were non stop for 25 minutes.

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Its not so much the performance, its that they let you train and recover faster, so you get "naturally" fitter by cheating the recovery, if that makes sense, like vitor wheel kicking belfort was technique, but one trained by PEDs and TRT.

Randy Coutures piss must have been green in his later years.

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schmojo

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Well that was an interesting event.

RDA crushed Cerrone. I'm a big Cerrone fan, but he clearly has problems showing up when it counts. RDA is definitely an aggressive monster though, and I look forward to his future fights. I don't know if MacGregor is the great fight they're talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised if they want to rush him into being a two-division champ. I'm not sure what Conor has for RDA though...

Overeem did a good job. Very smart, very measured. Boring as shit for much of the fight, but he was waiting on the counter and he got it. He's a free agent now, I believe, so we'll either see him beating cans in Rizin for $2m, or wangling a title shot. Werdum/Overeem II is already a compelling story, and this is probably the last chance in Overeem's career to properly silence his critics.

Not sure where JDS goes from here. I don't know if Cain broke him or if he just needs to change camp, but he's in need of a renaissance. He's not scary anymore.

Nate Diaz looked good, it's just always so crazy how his tools appear so limited, yet they make mockeries of people who appear to have much broader skillsets. He's not particularly relevant, and I have no interest in seeing him get title shots, but I'm happy to see him get some interesting style matchups.

If you've not watched it yet, it's definitely worth a look.

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Gotters

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as soon as I watched Cowboy during the announcements I thought he was going to lose, agree with Schmojo that he doesn't look quite to have the minerals at that title fight level - he's been on a great run but didn't look up for this from the off. Credit to RDA though, he battered him from the off.

Overeem was competent but quite dull, again agree that JDS looks shot and at best has a few fights left him in as a gatekeeper type, much like Frank Mir has been.

Solid boxing performance by Diaz, wasn't really MMA for the most part but what he did he did very well.

Hard to compare the size of guys when they not next to each other, so I don't know how Conor measures up to RDA - I suspect Conor is taller and has a reach advantage, but isn't as solid (yet) - could be a good tear up that for UFC 200.

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schmojo

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Yeah, Mac's got an inch in height, and 4 inches in reach. Conor's nowhere near as solid to me, even though he's obviously legit. His wins have shown one (devastating) skill in his striking, and RDA is a world-class grappler who just lit up a world-class kickboxer on the feet.

I really wish we'd gotten to see more of Mac's game in the title fight. Until then, I'm just going to treat him as the living embodiment of a great Puncher's Chance. Luckily for him, Edgar seems to be off the table for now.

Oh man, can you imagine what Nurmagomedov would do to Conor if he gets back to 100%? That's a gold-plated Bentley ride to Ragdoll City for Mac.

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Orion

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I'm not sold on Connor as the GOAT or some unbeatable champ with zero holes in his game. Some of his fans have got carried away on social media lately tbh.

But to say he is some guy living of a punchers chance...wtf? If he beat Edgar which he has a huge chance to do so he would have cleaned out his whole division. He is a top 5 pound for pound MMA fighter right now. He is arguably the 2015 MMA Fighter of the year. Many MMA sites will give him that honour as well, like him or not he is the number 1 draw in MMA as well.

Khabib is made out of glass, the dude has been hinting at retirement lately thats how fucked his body is.

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schmojo

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I'm not sold on Connor as the GOAT or some unbeatable champ with zero holes in his game. Some of his fans have got carried away on social media lately tbh.

But to say he is some guy living of a punchers chance...wtf? If he beat Edgar which he has a huge chance to do so he would have cleaned out his whole division. He is a top 5 pound for pound MMA fighter right now. He is arguably the 2015 MMA Fighter of the year. Many MMA sites will give him that honour as well, like him or not he is the number 1 draw in MMA as well.

Khabib is made out of glass, the dude has been hinting at retirement lately thats how fucked his body is.

Let's be a little more practical about the 'cleaning out' of the division:

He got put on his back by Mendes and beaten up, and then landed a smaller amount of clean, hard shots.

He landed 2 great shots on Aldo.

It might seem facile for me to suggest that I don't think he's better than 2 men that he's beaten, but I don't yet. I don't think any one-dimensional fighter can truly be the best these days.

Don't get me wrong, his training on timing suggests that all of these are more than luck, but cleaning out the division for me involves nobody being able to touch you. Plenty can, if it's not in the one space he's comfortable. There's no questioning his drawing power - he's done incredible things for the UFC - but I'd struggle to pick him as the best 145lber, especially when he's had a somewhat protected run. And continues to with Edgar being told to go sit it out.

Khabib gets bad injuries, but you can't question that he's unstoppable inside the cage. If he does retire undefeated, but without taking the belt, that'll be a real tragedy.

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Yobo Ahoy

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I've written Conor off before 3 of his past 4 fights (Siver was a gimme) and he's won by KO each time. Protected, lucky, call it whatever but he's knocked out a top contender in Poirier, a multi-time championship challenger in Mendes and finally the best, most dominant featherweight champion of all time. I can't stand him but he backs it up every time. All that's left for him at FW is Edgar and maybe a Holloway rematch (if he beats a top 5 guy - I think that would actually be a great fight).

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schmojo

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Anyone started watching Rizin FF?

Day 1 is already delivering in the way that only Japanese MMA can: universally one-sided bouts, people coming in fat as all fuck, amazing displays of negligible skill, and referees entirely uninterested in calling TKOs unless they absolutely have to.

The LHW tournament does have quite a nice 'global champs coming together' Street Fighter type feel to it.

King Mo wasn't great, but absolutely outclassed McDermott.

Sad to see Aoki do what he did to Saku. Must've been the longest 5 mins of Saku's career. He did nothing.

Bring on day 2 and 3!

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schmojo

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It's only seemingly on the members-only trackers that I continually get banned from, due to joining for obscure stuff. There are streams on MMA Core, but beware, they post fights in segments which can sometimes give away the lengths of fights etc.

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schmojo

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Do that. I just went back on MMA Core for day 2, and had every fight ruined for me. They have news articles talking about wins right next to the links for the streams!

Singh had no business being in there with Fedor, obviously. It tells us nothing about the current state of Fedor's skills or prep, just that Singh is woefully undertrained. I hope that Fedor uses that as a tune-up for the UFC, but I doubt it will happen.

King Mo walked through this tournament, but Jiri Prochazka, at 23, has a bright future as a dynamic, MT/BJJ based LHW. He needs a lot of work, but I'd like to see him in the UFC one day.

Gabi Garcia and Lei D'Tapa was the shits. Garcia seems like she's probably on some of that Thai viagra, too.

I hope Rizin stick around. They're silly, and an alternative venue for big paydays (plus sponsors) shakes up the UFC's complacency.

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Doomguy

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Dear gawd... lets hope nobody teachers her to wrestle. She's like the female Brock Lesnar.

I'm happy watching Fedor crush cans in Rizin for the rest of his career. I'm hoping - given it's backed by the Pride era guys - it'll pick up steam and attract some names. :)

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Gotters

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why was the main result a disgrace - I thought they both had 2 clear rounds each and the whole thing hung on the scoring of round 3 - its not about punch stats its about winning rounds and I didn't think Condit had done enough to take the title off Lawler

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Doomguy

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Gotta feel for Condit. He should have held the belt at least once by now - he's head and shoulders above the rest of the division.

Also a shame about Arlovski. If the heavyweight division wasn't such a clusterfuck because of Cain both him and stipe would have had a title shot by now.

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Thats a good link, did indeed all hinge on round 3 as the 3 judges agreed on every other round.

I also agree with a comment in that report that even if you give Condit round 3, there is a case for the last being a 10-8 (these so rarely get given without knockdowns), which makes the fight a draw.

For all his nice movement and volume of strikes a lot of Condit's work was technical, not thrown with intent to KO Lawler, and ultimately he left it in the hands of the judges, I always believe the benefit of a decision should go to the champion, the challenger has to take the belt off them, in this case I don't believe Condit did that.

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I pegged Condit to win too, but then I'm just a massive Condit fanboy.

I pegged Condit to win too, but then I'm just a massive Condit fanboy.

Yeah I love Condit, he's technical, he's a savage, he goes out every time - well maybe not against Diaz. But still, that was some bullshit judging.

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schmojo

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Thats a good link, did indeed all hinge on round 3 as the 3 judges agreed on every other round.

I also agree with a comment in that report that even if you give Condit round 3, there is a case for the last being a 10-8 (these so rarely get given without knockdowns), which makes the fight a draw.

There is no universe in which that was a 10-8. That's madness.

I also don't agree that the rules should be arbitrarily different for a title fight. If a performance would win you any other 5 round fight, it should win that too. Anything else is bullshit.

I had it for Condit, but that hardly matters. Any of the top 5 WWs could be champ at the moment.

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McFly

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I've seen plenty of jacked little guys in MMA over the years. Boxing too, its what PAC was accused off.

Shawn "The Muscle Shark" Sherk anybody?

Anyway, gutted for Carlos, been a huge fan since i saw fight in WEC way back when, took it well to. Gotta be a rematch at UFC200 along with Ronda vs Holm and Rockhold vs Weidman and Connor vs Diaz/Cowboy (.at LW).

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