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Delighted for Holm. Particularly after Rousey swung after the bell in round 1 and generally being a dick all week and at weigh ins.

Perfect game plan from Holly really. Jackson/Wink vs Edmund. No contest there. Then for Holm to execute it so perfectly, brilliant. I'm a fan of hers for life now.

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reminds me of when TJ dismantled Barao in their first match, Barao could make all the excuses he wanted but just looked like his time was up against somebody who had his number. I thought Rousey was going to flatten Holm and was surprised not just at the result, but the total and comprehensive nature of it. I'm not sure an immediate rematch is in Rousey's interests.

Yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts, it was Dillashaw-esque. Gotta say I'm glad it went this way, I love watching Rousey fight but I'm getting pretty sick of her bullshit outside of the cage. I don't think an immediate rematch is deserved (I understand it'll be in the fight contract), if it was a close points decision the yes, but not a second round KO.

The EA Curse comes to the UFC.

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I'm really hesitant to say Rousey can get the title back. Her rinse and repeat plan of attack didn't work, and that was due to her still poor striking form and technique. Unless she can improve vastly, I can see Holly being the champ for a while. Plus she needs to get rid of Edmond asap, he's dead weight now.

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Yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts, it was Dillishaw-esque. Gotta say I'm glad it went this way, I love watching Rousey fight but I'm getting pretty sick of her bullshit outside of the cage. I don't think an immediate rematch is deserved (I understand it'll be in the fight contract), if it was a close points decision the yes, but not a second round KO.

The EA Curse comes to the UFC.

The last EA game had Jones and Gus on the cover. One went into DUI title stripping mess the other got KO'd in his home town in one round. I'd say the curse is already here.

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I like Joe Rogan but I hope this puts to bed his whole "Ronda Rousey is the greatest sportswoman of all time" shite he has been peddling. Tom Lawlor on Meltzer's podcast was taking the piss saying Joe had jumped ship to being a Holm fanboy now with the way he acted post-fight.

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That was on my mind, too. Maybe he was forcibly trying to act indifferent after taking a lot of heat in the comments of his recent Rousey podcast. For such a smart guy with a prolific career in comedy he should surely know when to put a lid on it, if not during then afterwards when he listens back to himself.

Any word out of the Rousey camp? I'm sure I wasn't the only one annoyed that we didn't get a post-fight interview. They all just gtfo of there sharpish at the soonest. xD

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I'd give Miesha more of a chance against last night's Holm than Ronda, and that's the fight I'd make next. A good style matchup. Holm was so impressive though, and you can add me to the list of people smiling at Rousey being shut up.

Ronda could well be asking for that Cyborg catch weight bout quicker than you'd think.

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A change of team, and the right attitude, will do Ronda wonders. It might all come down to how much she wants it now though.

She's definitely put her non-fighting ambitions, and controversial personality, in the front seat of late, but let's not forget what she's capable of achieving.

She'll get the immediate rematch, which sucks - that should only be for close fights. She'd, like Cain, earn more goodwill and anticipation with the fans if she won 2 before the rematch.

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Women's MMA is still so young. Assuming she stays in the sport long enough, there will be a generation that comes along and sweeps Ronda, and her judo, away. It's crazy to see how a martial art can be so successful in WMMA when it's been nullified in the men's game.

That being said, I'm as excited to see Rousey fight as any of the best men these days, and that's an incredible achievement in such a short space of time.

Dunno why but I immediately thought of this post from a few months ago. Who'd have thought it would happen so soon? Really not up for a rematch, UFC seem to be going back to that every time now and it's getting boring.

Also braved Sherdog yesterday just for the GIFs. This one just creases me up.

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As much as I loved seeing Holm dominate, she's been unimpressive prior to this weekend. It could be that she's really stepped up, or that Ronda got complacent. I'm not yet ready to say that the game is anywhere near passing Ronda by - Holm hasn't exactly shown great depth and variety to her game.

As for the immediate title rematches, they're killing divisions. If it's a razor-thin decision, fine, but don't show so little faith in your unseated champs that you aren't willing to wait for the crowd to get behind them again 2 fights down the line. Let them win the crowd back, and you'll get more buys. It's short-sighted as hell if a champ can expect a rematch without showing humility or development.

There's a real chance to build some heat around the whole women's 135 division. See how Tate, Kaufman and Zingano cause problems for Holm. If any do, it quickly becomes a free-for-all. Get Rousey talking about Cyborg for her comeback fight, and you build yet more stars. Rousey and Cyborg doesn't need a belt, and having Holm (hopefully) establish dominance alongside it builds a great story.

Obviously a big risk if Rousey gets put down twice in a row, but they need to be less reliant on so few fighters.

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As much as I loved seeing Holm dominate, she's been unimpressive prior to this weekend. It could be that she's really stepped up, or that Ronda got complacent.

Or that she hasn't needed to use those tools against any other opponent. A key component of combat sports is only using what you have, you don't want to show everything you've got so opponents can game plan for it. The step up in her performance between her previous two UFC fights and this one is too much just to be training for this fight. Couple that with a great game plan to shut down Rousey's efforts and you get this result.

I don't think Rousey's done, but she definitely needs to find somewhere else to train.

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glad Ronda got trounced. After talking retirement and all that shit I don't see her coming back from this. Glad she was beat so convincingly - never ever bought the hype.

Don't be silly, of course she be back and she still be one of the best because the division was so shallow. Like her or not, she has show great determination and focus throughout her entire life, no doubt she will reflect on this but she come back better. She needs rid of Edmond because he's an useless coach, the advice between rounds is laughable and she needs to learn some wrestling so she doesn't rely upon the clinch so much, better "actual" striking i.e head movement and learning some strategy to cut off the cage. However, to do that needs some considerable time which is the issue, and why I can see Holm being champion for a while until those holes in Rhonda's game are patched up.

Or that she hasn't needed to use those tools against any other opponent. A key component of combat sports is only using what you have, you don't want to show everything you've got so opponents can game plan for it. The step up in her performance between her previous two UFC fights and this one is too much just to be training for this fight. Couple that with a great game plan to shut down Rousey's efforts and you get this result.

I don't think Rousey's done, but she definitely needs to find somewhere else to train.

Apparently she has been sand bagging, what a risky long term strategy that was. Amazing.

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Wonder how much damage this does to the Ronda Rousey brand. Will the movie deals, magazine covers, etc still be flooding in? Dana's acting like he's in mourning already, his golden goose is dead.

Dana sounded like he was close to crying in the post fight press conference.

As for rematching so quick, other than Cain vs Dos Santos and GSP vs Hughes I can't think of many quick rematches where the person defeated won.

Franklin vs Anderson

TJ vs Barao

BJ Penn vs anyone

It's 9/10 a total curbstomping by the original victor.

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I think Rhondas next fight should be for the belt, but she is blatantly going to take some time off so Holm's should defend in the meantime... I think. Thoughts?

That would be career suicidal for Rhonda and the UFC, the fight wasn't even close and another beating would seriously damage her star power and standing outside the ring. Besides she needs to stop doing this acting crap, because frankly she's terrible and get back to fighting. Learning wrestling and striking is going to take more than a year to learn , at the moment she has no chance to get the belt back with her skillset. It was similar to how Carla and JJ fight was , very one side. She's still a beast and destroy 90% of the division but we all knew her reliance on the clinch and armbar could only take her so far until she met someone who was formidable in striking and has an excellent team.

As for Holm, love to see her beat the crap out of Tate, throwing Cyborg into the mix would be interesting as well.

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Apparently she has been sand bagging, what a risky long term strategy that was. Amazing.

I can't buy this for a second. She was building a reputation as a boring, ineffective striker. Someone whose high level striking would have the same regard in MMA as Hunt and Overeem's 'high level striking'.

Holly was outstanding on the night, and Rousey was outclassed, but that was one night. Any proclaiming Rousey to be over and Holm to be the next level is getting wildly ahead of themselves.

Can't blame Ronda for wanting other career ops either - she'll likely already be a HoF candidate, and has little to still prove in the young sport of women's MMA. Being a big money, rare appearance feature fighter is much more appealing than a year-round grind.

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I can't buy this for a second. She was building a reputation as a boring, ineffective striker. Someone whose high level striking would have the same regard in MMA as Hunt and Overeem's 'high level striking'.

Holly was outstanding on the night, and Rousey was outclassed, but that was one night. Any proclaiming Rousey to be over and Holm to be the next level is getting wildly ahead of themselves.

Can't blame Ronda for wanting other career ops either - she'll likely already be a HoF candidate, and has little to still prove in the young sport of women's MMA. Being a big money, rare appearance feature fighter is much more appealing than a year-round grind.

Nor can I, what Winklejohn was saying.

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Serra vs GSP and Belfort vs Couture!

Can't believe I forgot Serra vs GSP.

Belfort vs Couture was bizarre. His sister had been kidnapped just before the first one and he found out she died in the second one. I tend to think this is why Vitor went from destroying everyone in his path to getting battered and decisioned mid career. Safe bet this is why he eventually completely lost the plot.

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