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FFS Jones. Although it is funny watching my friend Jon Jones' twitter feed at the moment.

186 was a surprisingly entertaining card! Demetrious delivered again, and that finish was out of this world. It does seem though, that his division will always be ignored because of meatheads who think they can beat him up. He's in a real position to be a multi-division champ (I pick him over TJ, just), but even that doesn't seem like it'd get him fans.

There's nothing they can do about that though, except try and move more towards sporting legitimacy over time. I'm not convinced that they really want that though.

Bisping won in Bisping fashion. I really don't know what's next for him though - he's simply not that good in many ways. Good cardio, technical striking and defensive wrestling, but no ground game, no power, and no evolution in his game.

The no power comment, to me, is pretty much the same as the meatheads who think they can beat up or lie on (that's not how grappling works) mighty mouse. The style Bisping choses to fight in quick in/out, peppering shots, and the way he stands (watch how he transfers his weight as he fights) is not one that really works with the standard ways of generating power in striking. But to extrapolate his chose fighting style to he has no power is mistaken imo.

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Rumble is a bad, bad man. I get the feeling that he'll hurt DC like we've never seen before.

I still have no idea how it would've gone with Jones. Rumble is the most dangerous man in the division for a long time, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones school him as he has to so many others. The only thing that is certain: it would be one occasion when Jones couldn't use his opponent's strengths against them. He doesn't have anything like Johnson's scary power.

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FFS Jones. Although it is funny watching my friend Jon Jones' twitter feed at the moment.

The no power comment, to me, is pretty much the same as the meatheads who think they can beat up or lie on (that's not how grappling works) mighty mouse. The style Bisping choses to fight in quick in/out, peppering shots, and the way he stands (watch how he transfers his weight as he fights) is not one that really works with the standard ways of generating power in striking. But to extrapolate his chose fighting style to he has no power is mistaken imo.

Having no (little) power is entirely different - it's a dimension of someone's game. You know that a Bisping fight won't end before the 3rd round if he's winning. It contributes to him being predictable for opponents, and a lower fight IQ. Bisping's game plan is to get out of the first rounds, not to win in the first rounds. If he's against someone who works for the finish in those first two rounds, he's a victim.

Power is an important element of someone's game, and one that should be worked on as much as any other. Arguably moreso as natural speed diminishes.

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Having no (little) power is entirely different - it's a dimension of someone's game. You know that a Bisping fight won't end before the 3rd round if he's winning. It contributes to him being predictable for opponents, and a lower fight IQ. Bisping's game plan is to get out of the first rounds, not to win in the first rounds. If he's against someone who works for the finish in those first two rounds, he's a victim.

Power is an important element of someone's game, and one that should be worked on as much as any other. Arguably moreso as natural speed diminishes.

I think the difference is you see his perceived lack of power as him not having power, I see it as a result of how he choses to fight rather than him not having it or the ability to generate it. As you say he's a point fighter, that's his game to win the attritional battle, it's probably not the best option but it's obviously the one he was taught and can't move beyond. I do agree with what you said above - he should really be stopping, he's passed his best, he doesn't seem to be able to evolve his style, and it's pretty obvious he has very little vision out of that eye.

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It's like disproving the existence of God. Bisping may have power, but may have chosen never ever to use it.

I don't buy it. Having the ability/reputation of being able to stop the fight in any round is an immense psychological weapon, and keeps opponents wary. He's not a stupid man (though circling into an opponent's power may occasionally convince us otherwise) - in fact he's the shrewdest earner in the sport by some margin.

It's like suggesting that Travis Browne has some high-level grappling skill but simply chooses to wildly side-fist people in the head like a chimp trying to open a tin of beans, despite it being less effective.

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May to the end of June is looking pretty fucking awesome. :)

Edgar vs Faber

UFC 187 - Rumble vs DC, Weidman vs Vitor

Condit vs Thiago Alves

Hendo vs Boetsch - ok this is pointless but Rothwell is fighting Mitrione too, so should be a barn burner card

UFC 188 - Cain vs Werdum

The reebok deal has also been unveiled and it seems (as expected) the fighters are getting fucked over.

Brendan schaub said it'd take him six fights now to make what he made in one bout under the new deal. Think we'll see a mass exodus once the contracts are up?

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The countdown for UFC 187 is up! :D

Can.Not.Wait.

Thinking Rumble will smash DC now and Weidman will beat Vitor in the third.

There's some video of post TRT Vitor training in the sun during the embedded and the guy looks like he's falling apart. Feel sorry for him in a way. He completely lost his marbles after what happened to his sister years ago.

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It's going to be such a great event, but the absence of: "The unbeatable champ who got pushed to the limit by Gustafsson" vs "The guy who handily smashed Gustafsson" is a real heartbreaker.

The replacement match makes me feel weird though. I no longer like DC, as he's an entitled whiner. I like AJ on account of his pure badness, but he's a wifebeater, so I feel conflicted there. I'm going for AJ. It's his time, and he's dangerous.

The only sad part there would be that DC wouldn't have much left for him at 205 in that case.

Weidman should beat Belfort in theory, but that's all entirely speculative. Vitor hasn't looked weak or vulnerable since Jones. He looked good against Anderson until he got caught. There are simply too many unknowns to rule him out. Weidman is definitely the new breed, and TRT is a thing of the past, but it's a great fight to watch.

I'll be surprised if Cerrone doesn't handily despatch Makdessi. He definitely deserves a title shot after it though - an 8 fight streak is bananas.

I pick Benavidez against Moraga, and probably Browne over Andre, but I'd be happy to be surprised in both.

EXCITEMENT.

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I suspect Weidman is going to batter Vitor inside the first round, he just looks huge and will be virtually a LH when they step into the ring.

Not sure how to call DC vs Rumble, I edge it to guy with the punching power but nothing would surprise me in this fight.

just looks like the best card in a long time on paper, hope it delivers.

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Vitor's not afraid of LHWs. Or HWs.

Or anything except fighting clean.

The more I think about it, the more Weidman hasn't faced anyone particularly violent. Keeps thing interesting in the run-up.

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The replacement match makes me feel weird though. I no longer like DC, as he's an entitled whiner. I like AJ on account of his pure badness, but he's a wifebeater, so I feel conflicted there. I'm going for AJ. It's his time, and he's dangerous.

Feel the exact same now. I wanted DC to beat Jones but he keeps saying he deserves this shot and had a go at Bader for pestering Dana. Like, hang on a minute, DC's two wins at 205lbs are against that guy who was a stand in who nobodies heard of (partrick cummins) and a 90 year old dan henderson without TRT.

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No TRT Vitor from a week ago:

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Eventful weigh ins.

Seems Vitor has been on something the way Weidman kicked off. Vitors 38 and has double weidmans levels of testosterone still. He did look noticeable softer. All the roids have certainly taken their toll on his body.

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Vitor was on strict testing for this fight and has passed all his pre fight drug tests. Weidman said no to the fight in Brazil, demanded a ton of blood testing and strict tests in the build up which Vitor has passed, plus Vitor looks noway near as jacked as he was in his TRT era. Still Weidman is moaning.

I find Weidman really annoying outside the cage. He reminds of when the UFC used to present Matt Hughes as a good ol farm boy, All American type untill they just gave up and showed him to be the dickhead he is. I hope Vitor kicks his head of tbh. Weidman will probably win though setting up the US douchebag vs douchebag Weidman vs Rockhold fight.

Think DC will boss the main. I like Rumble but people forget Cormier had never lost a round, let alone a fight before Jones. Think his strength in the clinch and on the ground will pay off. Could be a good scrap though if Rumble can land some bombs. Can't wait for the show though should be awesome.

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Vitor now and vitor from the Rockhold fight where he was practically sweating jizz he had that much T in his system.

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I don't think there's ever been a person alive that's transformed their body as much as Vitor.

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Vitor at 20 weighing 230lbs.

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Overeem went from a skinny middleweight kickboxer to a Pride fighting, horse meat eating, K1 Heavyweight Grand Prix winning, steroid using tank of a Heavy and is now heading back in the other direction again.

Noone can beat him for drug cheating. His head is like twice the size it used to be.

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to anybody ever asking me 'why heavyweights' I say because of Browne v Arlovski - that was better than any small guy pitter patter 5 rounder title fight will ever be (to my peasant tastes, yes I know blah blah technique etc)

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Best card in years!

Arlovski and Browne was like rock em' sock em' robots.

Weidman is just incredible. Hard to believe he's only had 13 fights when you look who he's beat in his last 5.

DC had some weird altercation with Bader post fight which was odd. I'd actually love to see DC fight Glover next or Glover vs Rumble. Either way the division is wide open and it's much more interesting. :)

Great night.

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