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Yobo Ahoy

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Yeah Manuwa said something about an ACL injury picked up in training but you can never tell when fighters say that after a disappointing performance, could just be bullshit. I am a fan of his though and he said before the fight that he wants to get in 2 more this year so we shall see.

Main event was interesting but a bit of a freak show really, both guys way past their best.

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can see why UFC have high hopes for that Paige Van Zant, not sure about her fighting ability (she looked decent in this fight but I don't watch the ladies or invicta that much) but an all American girl blondie like that is a marketing dream for them

Rockhold looks super impressive against Machida, he just bullied and dominated him totally (though not sure the elbow that did the damage was legal, it didn't alter outcome) - Rockold v Weidman would be an interesting match up to call as its two dominate alpha apes of a very similar kind, it may not be a stylistically good match but its fascinating. One of them will have to react to something that doesn't happen that often to them if they get stuck on their backs.

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I thought that the Herrig/Van Zant fight was a pretty damning indictment of the state of womens' MMA. Despite her experience, Herrig has never shown that she's particularly capable in any way. Both her and Van Zant were in a battle at times to see who could give up their back quickest — with neither having any idea what to do once they were in that dominant position. VZ obviously had more energy, but the general lack of fight IQ and grappling skill was terrible. No male fighter would even make pro-level with that skillset.

Rockhold looked insane. He's come so far from his SF days, and he's a real beast. Him vs Weidman would be a great example of a big BJJ Kickboxer against a big Wrestleboxer. I like Rockhold representing the old school styles, but wrestlebox has been neutralising them for a while now.

Holloway looked brilliant. Some great fights ahead for him at 145, though I don't know how he copes with Edgar or Mendes's ground game. Probably not well.

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I can't get that excited about Saturday's main event - the little 'us to tend to bore me stiff but Maldanado v Rampage could be good, in an uncultured slug fest kind of way

Out of curiosity (because I've never had the feeling myself), why do the smaller fighters bore you? Not wanting to sound confrontational, just interested since it's a widely held opinion.

Especially since Maldonado/Rampage could easily be a plodding, awful trudge between a 'game-but-useless never-was', and an 'I'm-just-here-for-the-cheque has-been'.

I can't get excited about the main event either, but that's because I'm sick of divisions so shallow that a #6 or #8 becomes a natural title contender. Not to mention that DJ is so brilliant compared to the rest of the pack anyway.

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I think its the lack of impact the punches have, sure I wouldn't want to get smacked with one but watch two little blokes whirling away with a greatly reduced chance of a knock down or ko has never worked for me as a spectacle.

I hear Rogan go on about how DJ is technically the best in the business etc, it just seems to lack spectacle for me, maybe I'm shallow, but I never really enjoy 0-0 games of footy, and the tiny fighters going for 5 round always strike me as the fight equivalent of a 0-0 draw.

I'd rather watch to slightly out of shape punchers swing at each other I guess !

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Bantamweight has TJ and Barao and featherweight is the division atm with Aldo, Connor, Edgar,

It's the one below them, Flyweight (might mouse division) which I don't care about as it just seems too light for any decent action to take place. Nothing exciting happens, barely any knockouts or subs ever, so nearly all the fights are 5 rounds. I rarely want to watch 5 rounds in other divisions so a division where 99% of fights are like that is not going to draw me in.

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schmojo

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I hear Rogan go on about how DJ is technically the best in the business etc, it just seems to lack spectacle for me, maybe I'm shallow, but I never really enjoy 0-0 games of footy, and the tiny fighters going for 5 round always strike me as the fight equivalent of a 0-0 draw.

I don't know where all of you guys are getting this from. In his last 4 wins DJ has had 2 subs, 1 KO and 1 decision. He had a bad streak of decisions before that, but that's 2 years ago now.

Then you've got Benavidez and Dodson, and both bring the finishes. Even if you're a fan who is a fan of the spectacle rather than the sport, there's still plenty for you.

Hellcock- DJ had a 135 title shot at Cruz and did great, though it was his last loss. He could probably have another run at that belt now if he wanted.

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incredibly low gate for the event and fans started walking out before the end of the main event - he may be technically gifted but as a box office draw he's a total dud. That kind of situation might work for you in the Olympics but in pro sport like UFC it doesn't cut the mustard, I know he's the champ and clearing out his division but an awful lot of UFC fans/viewers couldn't care less (me included)

I know that card had issues but it really wasn't good enough for a full PPV event - I'd not heard of either of the fighters in the first 2 main card matches and turned off the main event.

Rampage is a name still but massively limited and deluded if he thinks he can get a shot at Jones (god help him if he does), any of the leading contenders would take him out now.

Still the next PPV looks amazing, both Wiedman and Jones defending their titles.

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This whole 'flyweight not being a draw' has made me think about how it was when everything was open weight.

In that era it was a mute point even having flyweight sized guys compete in any sort of tournament as they'd get smashed.

Featherweight sized fighters however were still competitive at open weight (BJ fought machida to a decision, you had that 155lb cop beat the 300lbs man giant, the first UFC fight was a sumo vs some 160lbs guy).

The david and goliath concept works at 145lbs as we've seen them beat massive opponents so there's a legit feeling they are badasses- a 145lb fighter is something to fear regardless.

A guy who weighs 8 and a half stone/ 5'2 however who's quite skilled doesn't have the badass factor as you're average out of shape mma fan could just lay on him.

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Orion

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Chael sonnen called it a month ago! The fight won't happen!

Johnson should not have his own card. He should be put in another. God knows why weidman and belfort were on the same card as jones, should have been moved to johnsons card. I don't understand their logic on that one.

186 had Dillashaw vs Barao 2 as the main at one point plus home country boy Rory vs Lombard.

187 is at the MGM Grand so it needed to be stacked. I think they thought Weidman vs Belfort might fall through again as well, is'nt this like the 4th time that fight has been set up. So no point risking basing a whole card around it.

Fuck knows whats going on with Jones. Hope it gets cleared up today. Need a statement from the UFC.

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Yobo Ahoy

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Yeah at no point did I think both of those title fights would go ahead but I thought Vitor/Weidman would be more likely to flake.

Hit and run though... Fucking hell. Jones is becoming an embarrassment.

Oh and Ufc have already released a statement... It's 3 lines :lol:

"We are aware that the Albuquerque Police Department is interested in speaking to Jon Jones regarding his possible involvement in a motor vehicle accident. We are in the process of gathering facts and will reserve further comment until more information is available."

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186 was a surprisingly entertaining card! Demetrious delivered again, and that finish was out of this world. It does seem though, that his division will always be ignored because of meatheads who think they can beat him up. He's in a real position to be a multi-division champ (I pick him over TJ, just), but even that doesn't seem like it'd get him fans.

There's nothing they can do about that though, except try and move more towards sporting legitimacy over time. I'm not convinced that they really want that though.

Bisping won in Bisping fashion. I really don't know what's next for him though - he's simply not that good in many ways. Good cardio, technical striking and defensive wrestling, but no ground game, no power, and no evolution in his game.

Fair play to Rampage - he mixed up his game with kicks and knees for the first time in his career. It's late in the day, and he doesn't need to be fed to anyone top tier, but I'll watch his next fight.

Also: DAMMIT JONES. I'm looking forward to seeing Rumble unleashed more than seeing Vitor.

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Dark Soldier

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This was posted by Jones yesterday morning before this all blew up:

He looks fucked (although could be a pisstake video, who knows). GG Jon, fucking that career away. He's still not come forward, and the alleged police report states he (well, the perp as he's still a suspect) ran from the car, then ran back, grabbed a shit load of cash then legged it again. Police found marijuana and a pipe in the car.

Brett Okamoto ‏@bokamotoESPN
Jones Update: ABQ off duty policeman identified Jones running from three-car accident. He was in a rental car. Marijuana pipe inside.

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/592708841369948162

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Doomguy

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ugh... strip him and he can comeback when he's sorted himself out.

He's not even had a hard upbringing or anything to justify all this he's just a dick. I think a year or two out is what he needs.

Also, I want more 'martial arts' in MMA. Like the respect etc... you'd see GSP, Anderson, machida etc give to their opponents.

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I've seen them all almost. Yes he showboats but recent events aside, he's been a goods sportsman for the most part. The first Okami fight where he got DQ for that bullshit up kick is the only time I can think of where he was a bit of a twat post fight.

In and outside the ring/cage all those I've mentioned have managed to carry themselves respectfully mostly.

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Orion

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Stripped. Didn't think they do it.

Couldn't give a fuck about Jones on any personal level, but damn I really wanted to see that fight.

Now Cormier vs Rumble for the title at 187 as well.

Right move tbh, Jones needs to get his shit together. Best fighter in the world but he has been a total idiot outside the cage lately.

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