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Doomguy

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That was brutal to watch. Definition of breaking someones will right there.

I still stand by what I said years ago about jones. It's his reach. He has the longest reach in MMA. The only combat fighters comparable with his reach are boxers like lennox lewis ffs. That's one hell of an advantage and he's not even fighting at heavy.

Shocking card though. 5 decisions... just... ugh...

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Tofu

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I totally disagree, DC had been mouthing off for months and was being put firmly in his place.

DC is a very likable chap but his mouth wrote some cheques for him that he couldnt cash in the end, so he has to expect some shit back.

There is some old Roman saying about your enemy not being vanquished unless he considers himself so - Jones was quite within his rights to politely point out in the press conference how he felt and what had happened.

I cant stand all thst fake modesty stuff - bad blood is good !

I feel bad for the guy. After all the things hes been through he finally gets his shot at gold and just comes up short to a guy that he really dislikes, knowing in the back of his mind that it was his only shot, realistically. Add all of that up and mix it in with the fact that this super high profile, high stakes, highly emotional fight was his first loss in MMA and the guy just deserves the right to break down and be a sobbing mess for a couple days.

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Tofu

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Just looking at the card for the next event on Wikipedia, says Benson Henderson vs Eddie Alvarez is scheduled? As co-main event to Conor fucking McGregor?! That can't be right?

Didn't you get memo, McGregor is Dana's new cash cow.

I like McGregor, but I would love it so much more if Silver knocks him right out.

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Oh yeah I know that, but Benson/Alvarez is a main event fight in itself. And Conor/Siver, well, isn't. Just there were no citations on the Wiki article, and Benson usually headlines Fox cards these days, presumed it was an error. At least there's a fight to get excited about on the card now.

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ckny

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If Gus beats Rumble and if Jones beats Gus again (and I think he will, a lot more convincingly than last time) then that's it, there's nothing left for him in the division. A fight with Cain is the only way to go.

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If Gus beats Rumble and if Jones beats Gus again (and I think he will, a lot more convincingly than last time) then that's it, there's nothing left for him in the division. A fight with Cain is the only way to go.

Well it depends upon Can being fit as well. I take Rumble over Gus.

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I think Cain is made for Jones, he's a small heavyweight who can't bang.

For me the problem with Jones at heavy is his lack of KO power, he's got everything else but he's unlikely to take guys out quickly and whilst he appears to have a great chin, you don't always want to be going the distance with a big lump swinging at you. I still believe he'd be too good for most current heavies though.

Apparently only fighter with longer reach than Jones is Struve, who is 7ft tall.

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schmojo

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Jones was just too good at the weekend. On one hand, it broke my heart that DC only took a round, but Jones has proved that he has a chin to match anyone's along with all of his other tools. He probably is the GOAT at this point, his CV is insane and nobody else's comes close. I don't think it's *just* reach. He has a versatility and adaptability that nobody else does, and he seemed to gain some fire in the championship rounds.

It's like watching peak Federer - someone who is the best that there has ever been at what they do. Breathtaking, really.

I'm not sure that I see Gus getting past Rumble, but I'm happy to see either of those fights. Rumble is an angry, violent man, and I hope that fight happens at some point.

Cowboy looked good, but the main card of 182 was pretty blah. Lombard being at #4, or whatever it is, makes WW look less stacked than it is.

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Tofu

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Its all about lateral movement against Jones, DC was doing pretty well in the first 3 rounds in bring the dirty fighting and getting the clinch. However, he was eating so many shots to the body I'm not surprised his body failed hi,.

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schmojo

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Jones weathered the worst that DC could bring in the clinch, and then came on stronger in rounds 4 and 5 to beat him at his own game. No amount of lateral movement would have countered the advantage that affords him.

In hindsight, even though DC did some real damage in the second round, I also can't discount the idea that Jones was finding out what DC was all about - and finding out what he (JJ) could weather. Fedor and Anderson used to do that plenty before getting their respective games going.

Respect to DC - he took a couple of knees to the body that would have stopped many lesser men, but Jones' own chin was very impressive too.

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Corrogate

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True, DC deserves an insane amount of respect for standing with Jones and putting the work in, he really looked like a guy that wanted it.

Cerrone looked wank! A very disappointing display second round onwards. Seemed absolutely frozen. Even after landing that head kick in the third round, it was like "just get in there!" I don't think enough MMA fighter go in with body shots personally, which I was willing him to do.

Anyway, anyone got Mendes and Aldo as the fight of 2014? I watch much of Lawler - Hendricks.

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Yobo Ahoy

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Interesting how he has no love for the UFC either and doesnt hide it.

Yet he still accepts their sponsorship. He's always shilling something and somehow does it in the most arrogant way possible.

Anyway, a decent first couple of rounds but ultimately massively disappointing. As was the whole PPV really, my only real high point was Cerrone schooling that little brat Jury.

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Jones weathered the worst that DC could bring in the clinch, and then came on stronger in rounds 4 and 5 to beat him at his own game. No amount of lateral movement would have countered the advantage that affords him.

In hindsight, even though DC did some real damage in the second round, I also can't discount the idea that Jones was finding out what DC was all about - and finding out what he (JJ) could weather. Fedor and Anderson used to do that plenty before getting their respective games going.

Respect to DC - he took a couple of knees to the body that would have stopped many lesser men, but Jones' own chin was very impressive too.

No I meant if he employed more lateral movement during the first 2 rounds, instead of just going right through and eating shot after shot just to get into the clinch.

Yet he still accepts their sponsorship. He's always shilling something and somehow does it in the most arrogant way possible.

Anyway, a decent first couple of rounds but ultimately massively disappointing. As was the whole PPV really, my only real high point was Cerrone schooling that little brat Jury.

I don't know much about Jury, and I don't particularly care either after watching that sad display. However, why is he a brat?.

Plus my stock in Lombard plumented, geez he couldn't even put Josh down.

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No I meant if he employed more lateral movement during the first 2 rounds, instead of just going right through and eating shot after shot just to get into the clinch.

I don't know much about Jury, and I don't particularly care either after watching that sad display. However, why is he a brat?.

Plus my stock in Lombard plumented, geez he couldn't even put Josh down.

Jones' striking is too diverse, he can hit DC from anywhere, lateral movement or not. In fact, he's probably less susceptible to it than any other fighter. I don't think that there was any recipe for DC to win when it came down to it. I wish Cormier had more aggressively tried his wrestling earlier - when he finally got his big takedown, it was almost embarrassingly scant consolation. Someone who's already been beaten sadly trying to make it seem as if they're still in it.

I think Jury gets labelled a brat because the video package leading up to the fight had him saying how he 'makes great fighters look silly'. He did comes across pretty badly, but I suppose you'd be cocky with a 15-0 record. Was glad to see Cerrone wreck him.

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schmojo

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Cerrone looked wank! A very disappointing display second round onwards. Seemed absolutely frozen. Even after landing that head kick in the third round, it was like "just get in there!" I don't think enough MMA fighter go in with body shots personally, which I was willing him to do.

I thought Cerrone looked excellent. Dynamic, dominant grappling against a very skilled wrestler. In the latter rounds, he was constantly moving forward while Jury fled. He was pure dominance and octagon control.

Apparently, his flurry of mean looking kicks at the end was out of frustration for Jury's refusal to engage.

I think that Cerrone's at his own ceiling though. I like him a lot but wouldn't bet on him against Nurmagomedov, Melendez, or any of the 3 guys that beat him previously (Bendo, Pettis, RDA).

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Yobo Ahoy

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I think Jury gets labelled a brat because the video package leading up to the fight had him saying how he 'makes great fighters look silly'. He did comes across pretty badly, but I suppose you'd be cocky with a 15-0 record. Was glad to see Cerrone wreck him.

This, and after the Diego Sanchez fight he was going on about how he 'beat him so easily' when he basically just picked his shots and never really went for the finish. Also, in the talking heads bit they do for the main and co main before 'Face The Pain' on Saturday's PPV he literally said 'I feel like I am one of the best fighters in the world if not the best fighter in the world'. I know that part is pretty much specifically for fighters to do their bragging, but come on - he may have been undefeated but he's had some favourable matchmaking so far and meeting past-their-prime versions of Sanchez and Gomi have made him look better than he is.

He may well be a champion one day but it was nice to see him get a little reality check.

As for Lombard, I may be in the minority but I really like him. Dunno why people are ragging on him for not finishing Burkman, I don't think he's ever been knocked out? Hopefully he'll ramp up the activity now ... but I do think him vs Rory could be a total borefest.

Oh, and lastly on FOTY chat ... Kennedy vs Romero, Barao vs Dillashaw and Hendricks vs Lawler (I dunno which one).

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Gotters

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Have we ever seen a top level fighter turnaround in 2 weeks like that before ?

I know he's insanely fit and didn't get battered in the Jury fight but still seems a super short time, even to just mentally prepare or get yourself psyched up.

Kudos to him though, he is proving true to his word and just willing to fight anybody at anytime - lots say it but very few prove it.

Off the top of my head think my fave fight of 14 was Dillishaw beating the unbeatable and totally dismantling Barrao - doubly surprising for me as I don't normally like the little uns.

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angel

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Rick story fought twice within a month but he ended up losing the 2nd, so it's a dangerous game. Cerrone is more into getting paid though, as he puts it. He'll never beat pettis so he might aswell make money.

Loss 13–4 Charlie Brenneman Decision (unanimous) UFC Live: Kongo vs. Barry June 26, 2011 3 5:00 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States Win 13–3 Thiago Alves Decision (unanimous) UFC 130 May 28, 2011 3 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

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