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V3zna

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That was a terrible beating Diaz took. It was painful to watch and I'm not particularly a fan. It's hard to see where either Diaz brother fits in these days. Against a technical opponent they just get taken apart. Tough blokes though.

JDS is a hell of a boxer but there's just nothing else to his game. There's a few good fights to make at HW but if Cain can actually stay fit and fight properly he'll destroy everyone as he's not as limited as most of the rest of them.

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JDS is the HW division's best boxer, coupled with outstanding takedown defense. In the HW division that's enough to be one of the greats, for better or worse.

I thought that the fight with Miocic was a 50/50 (I'd have been happy with a draw, but I think JDS did enough to take the last 3), but it worked out great. It made Miocic look both dangerous and relevant, and showed that both guys can take a hell of a punch. Stipe needs a few more five rounders under his belt, but he's certainly legit. In regards to there not being much good MMA on display, there simply isn't a wide variety of game to be played against JDS. His TDD is superior, and the other options are standing with him or holding him against the cage. Both things Miocic did too.

I'm not sure that Miocic can do a lot to Cain, but I Can't wait to see him wreck that waste of space Browne.

Mitrione is still bad, but so is the division. Sad to see Gabe go down to him.

Glad for Reem to get a win, because the opportunities to put him on a collision course with JDS are thinning, and that's realistically the only thing he's likely to achieve in the rest of his UFC run. Unless he makes some smart changes. I like Struve a lot, but I can't help thinking he's better off retired and not risking his health as much.

I watched to see Nate get a beating, and he got one. Nate put my bum on a seat in that regard, and even though it irritates me, it's true. He's a draw. An idiotic draw.

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I think the fighters are right. Over the last two or three years I'd say the UFC have totally fucked it.

The reebok deal is the icing on the cake of bad decisions. They've spread themselves far far too thin, you can't follow mma properly anymore, and the reebok deal takes away the individuality of the sport - it's not a team sport ffs. Let the fighters wear what they want.

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V3zna

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Looking at various fight purses its always been apparent far too many fighters are underpaid by the UFC. They've obviously made up their income from sponsors and now that's gone. Will the way the Reebok deal is going to work bridge the discrepancy? I have my doubts.

This lawsuit is interesting. Too small a group of people wield too much power and their decisions are far too questionable these days. If this is the beginning of a revolt then that's good. It's about time. There's nothing more important than the actual competitors.

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I'm all for fighters rights and ensuring they are looked after properly but hope this doesn't bring a bout an opening up of organisations and see a proliferation of belts, like in boxing. One of the best things about UFC is that the fights you want to see happen, and fighters can't swerve each other for long.

Latest Rogan podcast is a fight companion and he's got Callen and Big Brown back on, they spend the first 45m dissecting the fallout from the clip a page or 2 back where Rogan gives that brutal feedback to Schaub - its actually pretty difficult to listen to again but is fascinating, with Eddie Bravo chiming in too for good measure.

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They should have kept Strikeforce and WEC running. Like they are the division 1 and 2 of MMA with the UFC hosting the elite fights with stacked cards. Instead everything is called UFC, they'e spread themselves waaaaaaay too thin and it's impossible to follow - so many cards now and I barely know any of the fighters.

I can't listen to rogan/schaub again. I've never rated schaub and rogan already got his point across. I think schaub should retire anyway as he has no coordination yet thinks he's on anderson silvas level in his head.

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V3zna

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In the early days of the Fox deal I was still watching everything UFC related no matter what. Cards with plenty of fighters I didn't know. Quite simply there where far too many dull / boring fights and I began to lose interest. Of course the UFC has to bring through the next generation but as mma is still ultimately in it's infancy there just isn't enough quality fighters out there to fill up tv cards. Yes, these people need to fight but they aren't necessarily at the level to be on tv.

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If there's ever a boring fight on a ppv, it's just as likely to be established "stars" as anyone else, surely?

The lesser known fighters certainly don't lack for talent (or ambition - they need those bonuses). If anything, the consistent popularity of the HW division shows that most viewers don't give a tiny shit about ability.

I'm not sure what your definition of a bad fight is, but it sounds like you have a problem with the sport more than UFC's promotion of newer fighters.

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V3zna

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If there's ever a boring fight on a ppv, it's just as likely to be established "stars" as anyone else, surely?

The lesser known fighters certainly don't lack for talent (or ambition - they need those bonuses). If anything, the consistent popularity of the HW division shows that most viewers don't give a tiny shit about ability.

I'm not sure what your definition of a bad fight is, but it sounds like you have a problem with the sport more than UFC's promotion of newer fighters.

Are you going to try and tell me the UFC hasn't been plagued by cards in 2014 that have too many poor fights on them?

Two fighters that barely engage for 15 minutes or a fight that is the tedium of one competitor being pressed up against a fence for 3 rounds.

I have no problem with mma. There where a few years where every UFC card had at least a couple of really decent, memorable fights. This year I've ended up fast forwarding through far too many events.

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I don't really understand what you expect UFC to do there, outside of campaign to change the scoring system (which has some merit as an idea, but isn't UFC's decision). UFC cards have had 'poor' fights every year since their inception - the entire first decade was largely grim.

We're in a decent patch though - the last main card was action-packed, and the card before had all finishes bar a blazing main event decision. The main card from the event before was good, thought a lot of that is down to Edgar's performance.

You talk about a lack of 'quality' fighters, but the average standard has literally never been higher. Today's fighters would make a mess of previous generations.

Seriously, I'm not sure what you actually want.

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2011 and 2012 had more enjoyable cards for me than what we've had in 2013 and undoubtedly 2014. There's various reasons for that. UFC ppv buys this year aren't looking good so I presume I'm not the only one a bit disenchanted by it all. I've explained my issues and I've gradually lost interest. Simple as that.

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Since the baby has decided she doesn't want to sleep anymore, I've been looking for things to watch while she's awake. Sport seems best, since I can watch it with the sound off.

Do I downloaded the Hunt vs Werdun UFC and watched that last night. And I really enjoyed it, so I'm going to grab some more.

Anyone got any recommendations for events to watch? Are there any "must watch" events?

Are there any other promotions that are worth a look?

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Since the baby has decided she doesn't want to sleep anymore, I've been looking for things to watch while she's awake. Sport seems best, since I can watch it with the sound off.

Do I downloaded the Hunt vs Werdun UFC and watched that last night. And I really enjoyed it, so I'm going to grab some more.

Anyone got any recommendations for events to watch? Are there any "must watch" events?

Are there any other promotions that are worth a look?

Anderson Silva v Chael Sonnen 1 and 2, Jones v Shogun, Aldo v Mendes 1 and 2, Shogun v Henderson, Silva v Weidman 1 and 2, Velasques v JDS all, and a special treat Henderson v Bisping.

Most things Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Anthony Pettis, Mark Hunt, Lyoto Machida, Jose Aldo, but there are literally hundreds of great fights to watch.

If you want to cut to some money shots there are compilations like knockouts of the year so you can get a flavour.

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UFC 178 from a couple of months ago was probably my favourite event of the year, no real main draw to write home about but the card overall was awesome - Johnson vs Cariaso, McGregor vs Poirier, Cerrone vs Alvarez and Kennedy vs Romero.

Oh and next would be UFC 173, Barao vs Dillashaw but also for Hendo vs Cormier and some other nasty injuries.

Jacare vs Mousasi, Dos Santos vs Miocic and both Hendricks vs Lawler PPVs were also highlights.

In other news, Saturday's was pretty good! Best non-PPV Brazil card for a while, it was great to see Erick Silva and Barao back and Machida looked amazing. Apparently him vs Rockhold early next year ... eep!

Lastly, Rampage ... what the fuck.

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Dollaway certainly didn't look like he had anything for Machida in the brief period of time that he was vertical. Can't wait to see Machida in a couple of contention fights before (hopefully) getting another title shot. Rockhold, Jacare and Belfort are all super interesting.

If Belfort beats Weidman, I'd expect Machida/Rockhold to be for a title shot, though mostly because I wouldn't expect them to give Romero the shot if he managed to beat Jacare.

Barao looked decent, but not as deadly as he has in the past. Still interested in the Dillashaw rematch though. I'm beginning to think that Cruz might make Barao look pretty bad if they end up facing off.

Rampage is a strange one, but he does still have a fan base. I think we'll know within one fight if he's going to do anything worth watching ever again. We might be seeing him do Legends feature fights with Shogun or Hendo, though they could be ugly.

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Not sure what we'll get with Belfort v Weidman - its post TRT Vitor now so not expecting to look the same as he has in recent fights, and whilst I don't really like Weidman he's a very large middleweight and appears to be getting better.

Rampage is just a cheap means to flog a couple of PPVs - I'm expecting a few moves like this to get the PPV numbers up then they'll sell out for huge money later in the year to Fox or another media giant.

I really believe Dana White set out to create a new sport and do exactly what he's achieved, but him and the Vegas money guys won't be able to pass up a multi billion dollar pay check - and what network wouldn't love to own the sport its pushing, meaning you never get involved in any unseemly bidding wars for content.

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