Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[McFly]

Not denying it's effective, I'm saying it shouldn't determine fights as half the time you get GSP, Fitch, Shields, etc using it to just sit on their opponents doing fuck all instead of trying to transition into a sub or gnp.

I'm not having that man, sorry, yeah he took people down but he was always active, with strikes and subs, he might not have done it much latterly but he was always trying to finish fights at least. So its just plain wrong when people say he was a lay and pray guy, just think, how many times was he ever stood up by the ref?

[Corrogate]

The fight we mentioned earlier in the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC1juwuj34k

Tarec is going to merk MacDonald. Merk. He's gonna merk him.

Concerning the McGregor fight, some cats need to go back and watch JDS knocking out Cain. Very similar situation, but you can see it's completely legit.

Last week was a great card, officially a Cruz fan boy, and the implications of him vs. Dillashaw... well, I don't think it can be put into words. Kennedy and Romero; cannot believe they are fighting at 185 - their physiques are unreal.

And... McGregor has the winner of Mendes and Aldo. I don't like the guy one bit, but I have feeling he could put up against Aldo in a big way (implying Mendes will lose again).

[Doomguy]

I agree to a certain extent, (GSP is no where near as bad as Fitch or Shields) but those last few fights on his record were bad. His face post fight was a mess whereas hendricks, diaz, condit etc looked alright in comparison, so you have to wonder how many significant strikes he actually landed.

Shields is bad using it as a tactic to cover the fact he has no striking whatsoever (he was the only guy to lose the stand up section of bully beat down haha) but he does gets a few subs. Fitch takes the cake still. 26 wins, 17 decisions... just... wtf.

I do feel the wrestling aspect of MMA gets way more points than it should do purely because the UFC is based in the states.

[Orion]

I thought GSP easily beat Diaz. So did everyone, including Diaz who I remember gave a mumbling post fight interview about how he just got his ass kicked. The Condit fight was closer but I thought along with everyone else GSP won. The Hendricks fight was tricky, that could have gone either way.

GSP does get marked up when hit. Some guys just do. Some get cut easily or bruise up just like boxing whilst some can take a total beating then turn up at the post fight presser like they have just taken the dog for a walk. I wouldn't judge a fight on it.

I agree though there have been some awful lay and prayer's such as Fitch and Shields. I remeber sitting through some god awful Tito and Hughes title fights in my time as well . Arona used to drive me nuts in Pride too. I would not put GSP in that category though.

Yes he fought more defensive after getting KO'd by Serra but he would still attack and be active at all times. He would always be landing punches from the mount and would look for subs. I loved the fact he could take guys like Josh Koscheck who had Div 1 NCAA titles down with ease and just out wrestle the wrestlers making them look stupid as well.

[Yobo Ahoy]

Just catching up on the weekend stuff, the Stockholm card was much better than the Halifax one (Saffiedine / Rory aside ... guess Rory will be the next title shot). All of the fights were entertaining, loads of finishes ... massive shame about about Gunnar, he looked crap. Hopefully he'll be back and a little less one-dimensional.

Also it was really funny when Backstrom interrupted Wilkinson's interview to say he wasn't knocked out. Yeah mate, you were.

[Doomguy]

Mayhem Miller appears to be going away for a while after a standoff with a swat team. Reading the charges it seems to be down to him stalking some woman, threatening to kill her if she left him, then beating her up and pissing on her...

The Diaz brothers are suddenly looking like heroes after the strikeforce brawl years ago.

Anderson Silva has also mentioned he'll fight Weidman again which I think is mad.

[schmojo]

I'd love to see an Anderson comeback story where he beat a couple of top 5ers and couldn't be denied a title shot. I'm just not sure that it's the kind of story that can happen in this sport (bar Lawler). He has miles on the clock, and more money to be made from a more casual 'feature fight' schedule. Although I do think that there could be many more entertaining chapters in the Anderson/Weidman story, due to the way both fights ended.

MW is an interesting division right now, and Anderson being thrown into the active mix could not be a bad thing. Unless he got repeatedly trounced.

[Doomguy]

I don't want to see him get smashed and ruin his legacy but at the same time he is the most entertaining fighter ever imo.

The Nick Diaz fight is going to be a classic if it happens; I saw a vid of Diaz shit hammered a few weeks ago at some club and instantly thought 'oh dear.' :/

Hate hearing Diaz complain about money, also. I don't even think he owns a house and he's made millions. Meanwhile you've got journeymen like Shane Carwin and Joe Lauzon rolling in money - Shane Carwin has started his own promotion ffs.

[Doomguy]

Remember hearing this story on sherdog radio years ago - the infamous tree ninja interview. Riggs is back in the UFC too.

[McFly]

What happened to TUF this week? Mine disappeared off my planner and its not on next weeks either, wtf? Finally a Scottish fighter ro cheer and they take her away!

[McFly]

Shane Carwin has started his own promotion ffs.

Really? Thats cool. One of the most impressive things i've seen is when Carwin ran the 400m track on TUF in less than a minute, which s pretty impressive, and Nelson could barely make it 100m before walking the rest. I seriously wonder what training Nelson does, if any. He must do something, but if he doesnt KO the opponent in the 1st round, thats him fucked.

[ckny]

And considering he holds a BJJ black belt, why has he literally never used BJJ in a fight?

[schmojo]

He has used BJJ, against Kimbo. People hated how dull it was.

He just also happens to have won 4 knockout of the night awards, which is worth a couple of hundred grand.

With all the shit he talks, if he stops 'coming to fight', Dana will happily send him to Bellator.

[McFly]

Yeah i'm sure he's not short of cash. His knockouts are phenomenal, thats for sure, if he were in better shape or added a bit of variety he could be a real threat to the belt with such insane power and a chin made of depleted uranium. But now you just have to avoid him for a few minutes then he's gassed and vulnerable.

[angel]

Needs a shave, and to stop doing his pole fighting videos on countdown shows

[Doomguy]

He needs to be at 205. He beats guys at Heavyweight because its the thinnest division in mma. Anthony Johnson (former welterweight) KO'd a top 10 heavy, Joe Riggs (currently fighting at welter) beat a few heavies, Randy couture 205lber took the heavyweight strap years ago at like 42, Hendo (185ber) beat fedor there's a few legit heavies but not many. Roy Nelson definitely isn't one of them either. It's just a weak division.

Nelson saying 'he'd need to cut a leg off to make 205' is also one of the most ridiculous things he's ever come out with. He's just fat.

[Corrogate]

I'm seriously considering putting some money on Aldo for next week. I considered it with Barao and Faber whenever that went down.

[ckny]

Aldo will be a heavy favourite, surely? Lot of risk for little reward.

[schmojo]

I'm seriously considering putting some money on Aldo for next week. I considered it with Barao and Faber whenever that went down.

Seeing as a Corrogate prediction of victory is practically a guarantee of a loss, I think I might have to get some money on Mendes.

[Corrogate]

Based on what? Tarec vs. MacDonald? Eat a bag of dicks.

[schmojo]

"I like Machida's chances for putting it on Weidman."

"Have you guys come to realise Machida's gonna fuck this guy up tomorrow?"

"Tarec is going to merk MacDonald. Merk. He's gonna merk him."

You're just terrible at this, but it's ok!

[Corrogate]

Fair enough, I'll sit on those. You genuinely believe Mendes is going to beat Aldo though?

[Yobo Ahoy]

Ha. I think Aldo will be my pick too though, I know the first fight was pretty level until the knee but he's a level above. Mendes does have a good record but he's never really beaten a top contender, yeah he's won five on the bounce since losing the first Aldo fight but he's somehow avoided the likes of Poirier, Lamas, Swanson, Edgar, Korean Zombie... I think if he'd come up against any of those his record wouldn't look quite so spotless.

Of course after TJ/Barao who knows these days!

[schmojo]

I'd definitely pick Aldo, but Mendes is a hell of a force in that division. I can't see him taking a TJ approach and outworking Aldo on the feet, but he might be able to muscle him against the cage - and he has some real power in his hands.

With divisional legends falling left and right, nobody's certain these days though. Except Cain, when he takes his 3 fights a decade.

[angel]

Im going aldo, hes a savage, he just hasnt shown it since his WEC days but its in his locker. 5 rounds though, I dont see a finish this time

also: wat

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/10/16/6991691/war-machine-attempts-suicide-in-las-vegas-jail-cell

[schmojo]

Looks like War Machine's 0-0 (1 NC) against himself.

Hoping for a finish next time.

[Doomguy]

Only seen a few Mendes fights. He looks massive compared to when I last saw him (nobody even questioning that yet?) and the dudes a winner, but I still think the safe money's on aldo, especially after seeing how motivated he is to shut mendes up.

Edit: Also picking Phil Davis to beat Glover... I don't want that to be the case as Glover is great to watch but I'm thinking another decision for mr wonderful.

[angel]

Phil Davis is awful, glover will smash him

[ckny]

Cain's out of UFC 180, Werdum will fight foray Interim championship against... Mark Hunt!

[Gotters]

in a closed format like the UFC Cain is a bit of a liability, a virtually anonymous injury prone fighter in arguably your most important weight division (at least in terms of selling tickets to PPVs)

good to see Mark Hunt get a crack at Werdum, suspect he'll batter him.

Phil Davis v Glover is an interesting match up, think I recall seeing in before the Jones fight Glover's camp saying he's not just a puncher and has a ground game, you need an exceptional one (or supreme take down defence) to hold off a top level wrestler though, hope Davis doesn't just lay and pray to eek out a decision.