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It seems like he was using substances to help him cycle off testosterone, but these substances are banned because they are normally used by guys cycling off steroids. Hmmm...

If you're implying Sonnen was taking steroids I don't think that's the case. Both steroids and TRT reduce your body's ability to produce testosterone since it's coming from else where. When you are on these your testosterone levels are much higher than your oestrogen levels, when you come off them your T levels plummet because your body has got used to producing little or no testosterone itself. These drugs are oestrogen inhibitors (wrong term but I can't think of the right one) used to bring testosterone and oestrogen levels closer together (since with TRT/steroids your oestrogen levels will now be higher than testosterone levels) and to get encore age your system to start producing testosterone again in shorter period of time than without. It is possible to do it without the drugs but apparently it's two or three weeks of hell. This is just what I've read & heard, I don't have first hand experience with this stuff.

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No, I'm more suss about his "legit" use of a banned substance i.e he was making the argument that he was using clomid to come off TRT (legal until recently), but it's still a banned substance regardless of the reason he was using it. It's a clever argument, I'll give him that but it was (rightly) in vain.

He should go back to politics, the master of spin.

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Oh, yeah totally. For me he has a valid reason for wanting to use those drugs, but they are on the banned substances list so as an athlete, tough. I do have some sympathy for him, the fight was signed when TRT was still allowed iirc, really they should have cancelled/postponed it when they banned the stuff. To continue to train & do the media work for the UFC whilst coming off of TRT he is going to need these drugs.

With a felony conviction a career in politics is no longer an option.

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Was just thinking about how all the cards are clogged up now with lots of little 'uns windmilling each other, and got me to thinking whether there should be an unlimited weight class above the current HW limit of 265lbs.

Did a quick google and saw that this limit is driven by the Nevada State Athletic Comm, but it can't be a hard upper limit as pro and amateur boxing have an unlimited upper heavy class.

I wonder if it happened how it would go, I'd hope for giant titans tearing it up (in the first round at least) but it may be in reality more of a WWE freakshow.

Good idea then or unnecessary diversion ?

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Bad idea. Your average HW is extraordinarily underskilled compared to his counterparts at 170 anyway. The last thing I want to see is more sub-par athletes who happened to be born big. It would be a pub car park fight with two slobs knackered after a minute.

Heavier divisions for women than 135 would be good, but I suspect that they worry about the marketability of larger women.

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There's a female amateur fighter in our gym who fights at 75kg, she is having a nightmare trying to find someone to fight her. I'd like to see larger (than current) female divisions in the UFC but Gabi Garcia would probably smash all the records in a shallow division.

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That Pearson decision was a travesty, Sanchez was shit and didn't even have the good grace to shut the fuck up and be a bit humble about being gifted a win.

I know the UFC don't control the judges or rules but need to bring pressure on the 2 things need sorting in MMA, the scoring system and gloves that enable so many pokes

Oh man, that was awful the whole "thank you Jesus" stuff, was a bit much for me. Dana might have sqwuared up Pearson with some money, but his record still shows a loss, which i know everyone knows was bullshit but it still must be hard to swallow that one of the best fights of his career wont be recognised properly.

As for Sonnen, its all a bit of a mess really weirdly i saw him as a credited extra in an old Law and Order episode a few weeks ago

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Quick question having just seen Anderson Silvas recent update.

Is his leg actually stronger now?

I know people say your leg ends up stronger after a break but I wonder how true this is.

I've broke my leg and arm, kind of unsure if they are stronger tbh.

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Not MMA but Metamoris just announced Dean Lister vs Josh Barnett at their next event in August. What a match - my money is on Lister via leg lock. Any of you guys interested in this? I posted in the fighting talk thread but figured there may be some interest here.

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Dean Lister, man I haven't heard his name since tito destroyed ken shamrock.

Bit of a mismatch though I would have thought; Lister fought at 185lbs I think? - he was massive for that weight class though I remember.

Regardless, check out listers wife. That dude is/was a player.

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Who's everyones picks for Machida Weidman?

Really interesting fight. I can see Weidman walking through Machida. Rewatching a few of his fights the guy seems made of concrete. Like he walks through punches that would destroy most fighters.

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I see Weidman cutting off the angles, backing him into the cage, taking him down and finishing him there with strikes from the top position. Listening to the MMA hour yesterday, he's been training with Stephen "Wonder Boy" Thompson in preparation, which makes a huge amount of sense, as he's a karate-style counter fighter as well.

Just looking at both their records, both of them have a KO of the night over Mark Munoz (poor Mark), but Machida has been defeated by a wrestler before (Phil Davis) and Weidman is in a different class to both of them. Machida is a weird guy to compare to anyone else (maybe only Gunnar Nelson - karate striking and a BJJ black belt) but I can't see him winning this unless he counter strikes and dances away from him for 5 rounds.

UFC 175 is looking like a solid event so far. We have two middling cards before then, but I am really looking forward to Cub Swanson vs. Jeremy Stephens - bonuses are practically guaranteed there. Also looking forward to watching Kelvin Gastelum, he's exceeded expectations so far and I think he'll stay undefeated, hopefully get a nice, tricky tenth planet-style submission (I think he's a brown belt in 10PJJ).

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, but Machida has been defeated by a wrestler before (Phil Davis)

I assume that you didn't see that fight at all? Robbery of the year. Machida handled Davis. Don't underestimate Davis' wrestling either - he's one of the most legit wrestlers in the company, and bigger and stronger than Weidman.

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I definitely saw it but head like a sieve, especially given the amount of cards recently. I was really just doing the records matchup - as you point out, doesn't always tell the whole story.

Davis didn't look great against Rumble though, or maybe it's fairer to say that Rumble looked very good.

Regardless though, I'm still picking Weidman.

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I don't fancy Machida at all, he seems to have got a bit shot shy since he first lost the LH title years back and despite looking much sharper at MW I doubt he has the fight in him for a nasty opponent, think I've said before in here he strikes me as somebody who loves training and acquiring new skills but he isn't really a fighter, somebody willing to get hit and tough it out when needed.

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I assume that you didn't see that fight at all? Robbery of the year. Machida handled Davis. Don't underestimate Davis' wrestling either - he's one of the most legit wrestlers in the company, and bigger and stronger than Weidman.

Davis got owned by Weidman in pure wrestling apparently. Weidman also handed it to Vader who is a giant 205lber. In fact, it makes me wonder how Weidman would get on against Jon Jones given the fact he can man handle those two.

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To be fair, apparently Weidman beat Davis 5-4, rather than 'owning' him, and finished behind him at the end of the season.

Machida has a mind for striking that is probably better than any seen in the sport. Or, at least, his counter style is markedly different from the other greatest one, Silva's - certainly enough to make Machida/Weidman a very interesting prospect.

No doubt that Weidman's incredible, but MW is looking fun at the moment, and I'd argue that he hasn't had his chin majorly tested.

I think that Jacare 2.0/Weidman makes an interesting fight, though that would mean that Jacare has to go through Mousasi, who I like a lot. Although Mousasi needs to start stepping up to his potential.

And that's without even mentioning Post-Ultra-Belfort...

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Ah, didn't know that, I've only heard the hyperbole about Weidman destroying 205lbers. He is an absolutely giant middleweight, mind.

Mousasi Weiman would be good. I recall him destroying King Mo on the ground (he did not look like a winner post fight) and losing somehow.

I think Belfort is done without all his steroids and TRT.

Mentally the dude is very weak imo.

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Ah, didn't know that, I've only heard the hyperbole about Weidman destroying 205lbers. He is an absolutely giant middleweight, mind.

Mousasi Weiman would be good. I recall him destroying King Mo on the ground (he did not look like a winner post fight) and losing somehow.

I think Belfort is done without all his steroids and TRT.

Mentally the dude is very weak imo.

I think that Mousasi lost to King Mo, but Mo was in his ascendancy at the time, and played a solid takedown game. After all the Mousasi hype, it was probably that performance that derailed him a little.

I don't know where Mousasi's training, but if it's not at one of the big camps, I'm not sure I ever see him reaching his potential.

I'd be inclined to think that Belfort might want to step away following the TRT ban, but it's all speculation. He's looked like an utter monster of late, mostly with the variety added to his striking, and that can't be 100% TRT.

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