Hitman Next Gen

[Great_Sage_Equal_of_Heaven]

The main problem I have is killling the guy in the room cause his guard keeps walking in and out.

I found that once that guard pops his head in, as soon as he leaves the room I had enough time to garrote the albino and move his body before the guard next opens the door.

I had more of a problem with tha male assasin turning round to see me at the last minute when creeping up on him.

[Great_Sage_Equal_of_Heaven]

Grrr.

Wedding level, protect bride, whack father of the bride and groom.

Haven't got a clue, proper. Where do I start? I wander about the rooms/buildings near the fan boats - cant see any disguises to get me in the mansion, I wander about inside near the wedding tents and I can't see what I am supposed to do first. Then priest gets the bell rung for the wedding to start and I lost my patience and went for the bloodbath option - relieved some frustration but not the way I like to play through it tbh

I am feeling like a right c unt on this one as I'm completely stumped.

Might not have been in the right frame of mind last night but if someone could throw me a bone it'd be really appreciated. (just to get me started)

[Pob]

Grrr.

Wedding level, protect bride, whack father of the bride and groom.

Haven't got a clue, proper. Where do I start? I wander about the rooms/buildings near the fan boats - cant see any disguises to get me in the mansion, I wander about inside near the wedding tents and I can't see what I am supposed to do first. Then priest gets the bell rung for the wedding to start and I lost my patience and went for the bloodbath option - relieved some frustration but not the way I like to play through it tbh

I am feeling like a right c unt on this one as I'm completely stumped.

Might not have been in the right frame of mind last night but if someone could throw me a bone it'd be really appreciated. (just to get me started)

You don't need a disguise, just an invite. Tip: check all the rooms in the starting area. It's quite hard to cleanly get a disguise which grants you access to the entire mansion. I've not found a guard who can be easily taken out.

[Alask]

Where do I start?

Much like in real life, drunks are easy targets and not too suprised if they wake up shivering, cold and wearing only their underwear.

[Great_Sage_Equal_of_Heaven]

You don't need a disguise, just an invite. Tip: check all the rooms in the starting area. It's quite hard to cleanly get a disguise which grants you access to the entire mansion. I've not found a guard who can be easily taken out.

Ok, I thought I needed a disgiuse as the guards at the front of the mansion made fun of what I was wearing rather than asking for a pass/invite (they were the first to go when I went postal, dicks ).

I'll do some more investigating around the jetty/huts. Cheers

[hughes]

Here's a vid of someone getting SA on that level and not even using any disguises!!!

Good one, I hadn't thought of using him as a human shield.

I favour the silenced pistol shot to the back of the head for the Albino. Clean, swift, and strangely satisfying

Woah, aside from the tutorial, I never used the human shield --> knockout combo at all through several plays through the game, it's basically like having infinite sedatives.

Think I'll try it out on a few levels this weekend.

[Pob]

Woah, aside from the tutorial, I never used the human shield --> knockout combo at all through several plays through the game, it's basically like having infinite sedatives.

Think I'll try it out on a few levels this weekend.

It's definitely the best way to take someone out. Firstly, you have your pistol drawn, so if they turn at the last second you can just cap them. Secondly, you can cover any entrances to the room as you drag your prey into a dark corner. Thirdly, as you say, you can take out as many pesky civvies as you like and still get the SA rating.

[mindgames]

Grrr.

Wedding level, protect bride, whack father of the bride and groom.

Haven't got a clue, proper. Where do I start? I wander about the rooms/buildings near the fan boats - cant see any disguises to get me in the mansion, I wander about inside near the wedding tents and I can't see what I am supposed to do first. Then priest gets the bell rung for the wedding to start and I lost my patience and went for the bloodbath option - relieved some frustration but not the way I like to play through it tbh

I am feeling like a right c unt on this one as I'm completely stumped.

Might not have been in the right frame of mind last night but if someone could throw me a bone it'd be really appreciated. (just to get me started)

There is loads of extra detail in that level that is superfluous and it can make it seem a bit daunting, the actual hits can be fairly simple. Not that I am criticising the game for that, it's great they go to the trouble to really immerse you.

The difficulty curve seems a bit off for the whole game...I found the wedding, hotel and Heaven and Hell missions pretty easy whereas I struggled on some earlier ones, the Paris Opera level stumped me for a while and it took a fair bit to work out the New Orleans level too. Still it though

[Great_Sage_Equal_of_Heaven]

...I found the wedding mission pretty easy

I said give me a clue, not taunt me with your gaming skills!

I will give it another crack this weekend and see what happens.

[Teeohbee.]

When I've had too much to drink, I often feel really ill, sometimes throwing up everywhere but its ok, because I always find a nice quiet, dark corner to sit down and fall asleep. And I never wake up, even if some bald man steals all my clothes and my party invitaion.

True Story.

[mindgames]

I said give me a clue, not taunt me with your gaming skills!

I will give it another crack this weekend and see what happens.

No skills to see here, I should have added I am playing on normal difficulty!

[Rudi von Starnberg]

For anyone who has a PC and doesn't have Blood Money yet:

Blood Money for £2.99, including postage. Which is where the £2.99 comes in.

[hughes]

Best bargain ever.

[Scorpio]

Aren't SCI totally up **** creek without a paddle according to all the financial experts at the moment?

[Rudi von Starnberg]

Also, I posted an excerpt from this earlier, but here's the full thing. Spoilerific, obviously - an account of 'endurance' gaming Hitman: Blood Money, playing the whole thing through in one night.

[mindgames]

Just finished it! OMG, Requiem!

[Great_Sage_Equal_of_Heaven]

When I've had too much to drink, I often feel really ill, sometimes throwing up everywhere but its ok, because I always find a nice quiet, dark corner to sit down and fall asleep. And I never wake up, even if some bald man steals all my clothes and my party invitaion.

True Story.

Wooo-ah. Silent Assassin sorted. Turns out it is quite a simple one. Thanks for the tips, don't know what I was doing when that guest was retching up, I guess all of the missions are easy when you know how!

Is there a way to check your best rating for a specific mission? I haven't noticed anything on the mission select to show me

[robdood]

No, it's the biggest mistake in the whole game

[Timmo]

I got this and started working through again, I love the idea of not quitting unless I die. Can someone explain a few things to me though?

1) At the end of the opera level, after killing both in the set up ways you'd expect, I calmly made my way back downstairs from the lighting platform, FBI agents crawling everywhere, me strolling through. As expected, no one stopped me. Then, about half way to the exit, everyone went mental and started firing at me. Why was this? I think they may have found the blood on the floor in the toilet next to my suit from the guy I took the outfit and toolbox off, but his body was safely put away in the box in the toilet, where they never look, right? And how would they link me to it anyway? Can't get my head around that.

2) How exactly does the danger bar work? When it's yellow you're suspicious right, so you have to be more careful as you're being watched. When it goes red how do you get it to yellow/green? Does changing your outfit make a difference? Does hiding in a closet make them "forget" you, al la Metal Gear Solid? If the bar is red, does everyone on the level know where you are, or only those with radios? If someone without a radio sees you, does he have to alert someone with one for your bar to go red? What exactly does having a red bar mean? If you get out of sight and lose someone by hiding, will the bar drain?

3) How relevant is what you wear exactly? If they see you commit a crime in your suit, you escape and change clothes, will you be ok?

4) As a rule, does doing something out of sight and not too loud mean you'll get away with it, as long as someone doesn't shout or raise the alarm?

5) Can you clean up blood?

[Pob]

I got this and started working through again, I love the idea of not quitting unless I die. Can someone explain a few things to me though?

1) At the end of the opera level, after killing both in the set up ways you'd expect, I calmly made my way back downstairs from the lighting platform, FBI agents crawling everywhere, me strolling through. As expected, no one stopped me. Then, about half way to the exit, everyone went mental and started firing at me. Why was this? I think they may have found the blood on the floor in the toilet next to my suit from the guy I took the outfit and toolbox off, but his body was safely put away in the box in the toilet, where they never look, right? And how would they link me to it anyway? Can't get my head around that.

2) How exactly does the danger bar work? When it's yellow you're suspicious right, so you have to be more careful as you're being watched. When it goes red how do you get it to yellow/green? Does changing your outfit make a difference? Does hiding in a closet make them "forget" you, al la Metal Gear Solid? If the bar is red, does everyone on the level know where you are, or only those with radios? If someone without a radio sees you, does he have to alert someone with one for your bar to go red? What exactly does having a red bar mean? If you get out of sight and lose someone by hiding, will the bar drain?

3) How relevant is what you wear exactly? If they see you commit a crime in your suit, you escape and change clothes, will you be ok?

4) As a rule, does doing something out of sight and not too loud mean you'll get away with it, as long as someone doesn't shout or raise the alarm?

5) Can you clean up blood?

1) That's happened to me a couple of times, and other people have mentioned it too. I think it's a glitch. Very annoying.

2) Once the bar is yellow or red, it will drop over time if the guards have lost track of you. This can happen if you kill everyone who is chasing you or you manage to change costume in secret. Hiding in a closet is no use of a guard knows you're in there. Not sure about the radios thing, and if once a disguise is blown, every guard knows to look out for a "bald bellboy" or whatever. It'd be cool if guards linked by radios all knew the same thing, but those without couldn't have knowledge about you 'transferred' to them, but I'm not sure if it's that complex.

3) Basically, if you get busted, you need to take out any witnesses pronto before they tell a guard. I'm not sure if a guard/cop sees you, that means every other guard/cop instantly knows what they know. Alternatively, leg it and find some new threads without anyone seeing you changing. Also, if someone finds a naked cop (for example) then the cop disguise is no longer effective, so only rely on disguises for which you have hidden the body.

4) In general, yes. If you cap someone while dressed as a cop, and a bunch of cops come rushing into the room and see you standing over the body, gun in hand, they won't assume you did the deed. They will be suspicious, though, and loitering around in sight of cops while wearing a cop disguise will probably result in the bar creeping into the red. As mentioned earlier in the thread, some disguises provide better cover than others. Cops will eventually bust you if you are wearing a cop uniform and their suspicion is raised, but a waiter uniform could be suspicion-proof.

5) No. It was planned, but IO took it out because it would be boring. People will follow trails of blood, so shooting someone and dragging them into a cupboard won't work. Putting them into a laundry bin is fine, though. Nobody thinks to check containers.

[Timmo]

Thanks pob, appreciate that post.

I think I'm starting to understand the system more, and hopefully I'll enjoy it more as a result.

Lastly, is grabbing someone with a gun to use them as a human shield, and knocking them out straight away, as good as using the injection? Seems to be just as good. No one you've knocked out wakes up do they?

Edit - Oh, one more thing. If the bar is red but drifts back to yellow, do you need to change outfit or will it stay yellow? i.e. if the guards see you and recognise you from before will it shoot back up again?

[Pob]

Thanks pob, appreciate that post.

I think I'm starting to understand the system more, and hopefully I'll enjoy it more as a result.

Lastly, is grabbing someone with a gun to use them as a human shield, and knocking them out straight away, as good as using the injection? Seems to be just as good. No one you've knocked out wakes up do they?

Edit - Oh, one more thing. If the bar is red but drifts back to yellow, do you need to change outfit or will it stay yellow? i.e. if the guards see you and recognise you from before will it shoot back up again?

Yeah, the human shield/knockout is better than sedative, you may as well just use that. Sedative is useful for unattended cups of coffee though

Okay, I've done some proper research into witnesses and guard communications. I tried at at the start of Flatline, which has quite a nice little guard enclave at the start to mess around in.

Firstly, I left a body to be discovered. When a guard found it, he called it in on over the radio, and a couple of other guards sprinted down from some distance away to help clean up. Then even picked up the dead guard's gun and returned it to the guard room. Safety first. When I showed my face, none of the guards batted an eyelid, because of course no-one saw me do the murder.

Secondly, I tried disarming a guard and leaving him alive. Watching him from around a corner, he cowered like a baby for a while, but eventually pulled himself together. It didn't occur to him to call it in, but he did go and get himself a new gun. Cruelly, I popped out of from around a corner and snatched his new gun from his hands. This time a round went off, so I sloped off to a dark corner while he pooped his pants.

This time, another guard must have heard the shot, as he came running down the hill. He found Mr scaredy cat, and I saw him grassing me up to the newly arrived guard. I snuck off up the hill towards the house and came across yet another guard. No reaction, despite the bar being in the red. Looks like my description wasn't put out on the radio. However, the guard who'd been told about me by the coward approached, and as soon as he was close enough to see me, he started firing. I could see him giving my position on his radio.

So it seems that the coward had described me to another guard face-to-face, meaning two people on the level knew what to look for. The others didn't and left me alone.

Tim, you don't need to change outfit if the bar has gone red. If a couple of people have seen you doing something naughty, but you kill them and leave the scene, then it will drop down and your disguise will be intact. You killed the witnesses.

[Timmo]

Good post, but regarding the last bit - say you shoot and miss a guard, then run away. In time you lose him and the bar goes back to yellow/green. My question was: When you see him again will he recognise you?

Ha, maybe I should play myself and find out!

[Pob]

God post, but regarding the last bit - say you shoot and miss a guard, then run away. In time you lose him and the bar goes back to yellow/green. My question was: When you see him again will he recognise you?

Ha, maybe I should play myself and find out!

Yeah, he will. I'm not sure if how many people he'll tell or whether your description will go out on the radio. Another scenario to test!

EDIT: nope, it seems that your description doesn't spread via radio. I just went apeshit on Flatline, doing all kinds of prohibited things and getting loads of security after me. I managed to escape back out to the front of the clinic, where I'm allowed to be, and cops who hadn't actually seen me do anything bad didn't bother me. My suspicion bar was in the red because there were guards out there hunting me, but as long as those specific guards didn't see me, I was okay.

The only things the guards use the radio for is to report a death or call for backup.

[Pob]

Yeah, he will. I'm not sure if how many people he'll tell or whether your description will go out on the radio. Another scenario to test!

EDIT: nope, it seems that your description doesn't spread via radio. I just went apeshit on Flatline, doing all kinds of prohibited things and getting loads of security after me. I managed to escape back out to the front of the clinic, where I'm allowed to be, and cops who hadn't actually seen me do anything bad didn't bother me. My suspicion bar was in the red because there were guards out there hunting me, but as long as those specific guards didn't see me, I was okay.

The only things the guards use the radio for is to report a death or call for backup.

Actually, I'm wrong there. They do give your description over the radio, but it doesn't seem to be level-wide. Perhaps it works within a certain radius, or the levels are split into zones, with separate groups of security guards. This would certainly make sense to keep the game playable, so if you manage to get through one area (say, the parking lot in Dance With The Devil), not all the guards on the level know about you.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

It depends on the type of guard.

In Dance With The Devil, the parking lot security guards are all on the same channel, and the Hell guards are on another, with the Heaven guards on yet another channel.

Similarly, in The Murder of Crows, if you alert the crows at the albino's hideout, the crow who is in the hotel you start off in will come running to where they've been alerted. Because the radio alerts everyone of that guard type.

But not, in this case, the policemen in the streets.

[Timmo]

Half the fun is trying to work it out!

I was trying to set up quite an elaborate death on the condo level, I forget its name. I disabled the fusebox and went inside to plant a bomb next to the phone, but he just wouldn't leave his chair! As the tv came back on and the guard walked past the window and made his way back, I realised I had a tiny window to get it done right there and then. I took out my silenced pistol and shot him once on the head, before calmly strolling outside and escaping.

I know it's not the most dazzling story, but the little rush I got from getting away with it during the small window of oppurtunity I had (helped by me NOT saving first) made it thrilling. It think the oppurtunist, risky kills are often so much more rewarding than the signposted ones ("Rig barbeque").

[Rudi von Starnberg]

That mission I first completed in a style inspired by Munich.

Planted the bomb on the phone, then dialled the witness' phone from the FBI van outside.

When he came to answer, detonated. I FELT SO GOOD.

[Timmo]

That's what I was attempting to do before I saw my oppurtunity!

I'd actually already tried to do it once, but a guard had spotted the bomb and taken it to the bedroom, where it went off harmlessly as he answered the phone!

[Rudi von Starnberg]

Another way of doing that with a bomb that made me giggle massively:

If alerted and scared, ol' Vinnie will take his Bull .480 out and go hide in the closet at the back of his living room, which he will not leave for love or money.

I stuck a bomb to the wall of the closet, fired shots near him so he ran into his 'safe place', and detonated it. Also satisfying to just fire a magnum-ammo SMG burst through the door when you know he's hiding in there.