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40 minutes ago, Colonel Panic said:

Lost was awful. The product of too much cocaine. 

Gonna have to demote you to Sargent for that statement, soldier. 

 

I thought season 2 was a little tepid after the brilliant first season, but seasons 1,3 and 4 (at least) were great. Possibly more, but I've not rewatched them because of the poor ending. 

 

When it was good, it was fabulous. I loved that it mixed the best bits of Crusoe/Castaway, scary tribes and spooky mysteries. It took a suicidal nosedive at the end but vacillated between 'good' and 'spectacular' most of the rest of the time.

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makkuwata

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Lost was a journey I will never forget and cherish forever. It was the early days of podcasting.

 

You had to be there. You'd watch the episode, see forums explode with speculation, then listen to Lindelof and Cuse giggle into a mic and come up with ideas going forward.

 

Mid season 3 was the turning point. The Nikki and Pablo episode was no accident.

 

Kids these days.

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I'm not going to argue about how entertaining Lost may have been, or how much fun it was to be caught up in it as the episodes were first broadcast, but the infamous JJ Abrams TED talk lays out pretty clearly why it was an endless tease and ended so unsatisfactorily.

 

Though BCS clearly does have some kind of overarching plan sketched out - and the overall endpoint is of course known by both writers and viewers - I think it's quite interesting that, by all accounts, there wasn't really one for BB. Perhaps this shows a bit in, for example, the sudden and rather unnecessary appearance of the meth Nazis in S5, but mostly they pulled it off.

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Breaking Bad probably didn’t have a grand overarching plan, but each series and the finale conclude everything so beautifully you could be convinced it did. It was so good in fact that the really amazing epilogue they did was a bit pointless in the end. 
 

I liked the meth nazis as they felt really intimidating and contained a really complex baddie I absolutely hated. 

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BCS seems to have a change of tone quite quickly. The first episode has a lot more comedy (including the courtroom scene where they do that thing with the head of a corpse in the morgue) and it's very dark, not especially funny and misses it's mark a bit (in my opinion).  The comedy seems to find its place midway through series one, then takes a backseat to the drama.  With both BB and BCS everything takes second place to the characters anyway. You could watch Mike reading the telephone directory and it would be rivetting. 

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10 hours ago, makkuwata said:

Breaking Bad’s final season opened with the gun in the back of the car and Vince Gilliam is candid about writing himself a mystery box with no solution. Then yeah, cathartic nazi killing. Yet Lost has a reputation.

 

There's nothing wrong with a bit of flying by the seat of the pants. Lots of great shows set up problems or plots they have no idea how to resolve. 

 

The difference is a good writer will be sensible in what they set up and also write a satisfactory answer and conclusion. Lost by all accounts.... 

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The difference is breaking bad et al are character based pieces and the plots pretty much entirely revolves around motivations and relationships in a world that functions like our own. Lost however was primarily a situation/world based story - it's unique set up and the island location were intergral parts of the show and understanding the rules of the world and how to escape it was what the whole thing hinged on. So the discovery that there were no rules really is a betrayal of the audience. It's a puzzle with no solution.

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I should add - it’s fine to be a bit seat of your pants with plot lines when they are character based. But what you cannot do in story telling is just change the rules of the world (or have no clear idea what they are). It just leads to emptiness and apathy. See also Sherlock.

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I just finished rewatching season 1. It's quite far removed from the end of Better Call Saul. The vibe is very different, especially the first few episodes feel like they are part of a different show. It doesn't really have the amazing cinematography yet or the brilliant music montages (there was 1,it was OK). 

 

I get why some people get turned off by it. There's a lot of focus on the cancer too which can be a little uncomfortable because it's quite realistic. 

 

That said, even at it's worst this show is still great to watch. Episodes 6 and 7 were the best, I'm looking forward to season 2.

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