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Cheers everyone!

 

Satanus was the one i was thinking of!

 

I could never have worked out Shako on my own.

 

I'm now toying with the idea of finding a way to reread the stories but i do wonder if it will be one of those things i do and regret as it destroys the rose tinted lenses i have for 2000AD.

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8 minutes ago, Arn Ironjaw said:

Cheers everyone!

 

Satanus was the one i was thinking of!

 

I could never have worked out Shako on my own.

 

I'm now toying with the idea of finding a way to reread the stories but i do wonder if it will be one of those things i do and regret as it destroys the rose tinted lenses i have for 2000AD.

Nope it holds up. I think Shako started in Action though. Sure there’s a Rebellion TPB collecting it though. 

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9 minutes ago, Arn Ironjaw said:

I'm now toying with the idea of finding a way to reread the stories but i do wonder if it will be one of those things i do and regret as it destroys the rose tinted lenses i have for 2000AD.

 

With most things I'd say "yes. You have rose tinted specs on" but in the case of 2000AD that's definitely not true. Yes the stories aren't as sophisticated as modern comics but even in its infancy 2000ad shows a massive amount of imagination and talent. Especially when you remember it was a comic literally for kids (Unlike most modern comics)

 

A few years ago I did a complete reread up to where I was in real life (Approx 1600 issues) and it was a fucking amazing ride. You get to see the comic and the longer running characters evolve over time. If you get the chance to read from the start be sure to take it.

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On 12/07/2020 at 22:26, Bazjam said:

Really liking The Out so far. Abnett and Harrison are fantastic together, so it’s great to see them do something new.

 

Yeah, it's really good. Kind of reminds me of Halo Jones in tone. It's also very easy to follow, which a lot of non-Dredd 2000AD stories tend not to be, especially in the 6 pages bite sized format. I'm thinking mostly of The Order, which is just baffling. I have no idea what is happening or who anyone is from panel to panel. Might as well just flash up 20 or so random images.

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49 minutes ago, Dr_Dave said:

 

Yeah, it's really good. Kind of reminds me of Halo Jones in tone. It's also very easy to follow, which a lot of non-Dredd 2000AD stories tend not to be, especially in the 6 pages bite sized format. I'm thinking mostly of The Order, which is just baffling. I have no idea what is happening or who anyone is from panel to panel. Might as well just flash up 20 or so random images.

Couldn’t agree more. I gave up reading The Order a couple of years ago, I just skip it. As Much as I still love 2000ad, confusing strips seem to be a common problem these days, even with Mills. Abnett always stands out for me, as his storytelling is always clear whilst also being ambitious and imaginative.

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1 hour ago, Dr_Dave said:

 

Yeah, it's really good. Kind of reminds me of Halo Jones in tone. It's also very easy to follow, which a lot of non-Dredd 2000AD stories tend not to be, especially in the 6 pages bite sized format. I'm thinking mostly of The Order, which is just baffling. I have no idea what is happening or who anyone is from panel to panel. Might as well just flash up 20 or so random images.

 

I have problems with stories like the order that are essentially spread over years with gaps of months between segments. When they come back I have zero idea what's going on. It's not so bad with fairly simple tales like you get with Kingdom but something like the order is very hard to follow.

 

I'm also really enjoying The Out. It really nails that "I'm the only one of me out here. This is so weird" vibe.

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I'm glad you three have said this.  I've had trouble following some of the strips in 2000ad over the last couple of years.  The Order is one, the Deadworld series is another.  Sometimes even panel to panel I'm not following what's happening.  I was half thinking I was going senile or something, but then the there are great strips like much of the recent Dredd, Brink, etc., that are beautifully made comics, so I guess it's not just me. 

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Just now, Ste Pickford said:

I'm glad you three have said this.  I've had trouble following some of the strips in 2000ad over the last couple of years.  The Order is one, the Deadworld series is another.  Sometimes even panel to panel I'm not following what's happening.  I was half thinking I was going senile or something, but then the there are great strips like much of the recent Dredd, Brink, etc., that are beautifully made comics, so I guess it's not just me. 

 

It's tricky for them I expect. They want to tell these wonderful intricate tales over a number of years but can't keep up the pace so you get months of break and no real way to recap. I mean yes they read brilliantly in a collected form but we pay for weekly progs.

 

Not sure how you resolve it to be honest except moving that sort of title out of the progs and straight into trades. Cape comics have this problem to an extent as well but obviously most of the time they're not really doing as much as a 2000ad story.

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I just noticed some collected editions are pretty cheap on Kindle. No idea why they aren't on Comixology

 

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Fall-Deadworld-Omnibus-Matthew-Smith-ebook/dp/B086BRRRSG

 

*Edit* Never mind. Not a comic

 

*Edit2* Here we go. I hate it when Amazon list novels inside the graphic novel section

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Fall-Deadworld-Omnibus-Matthew-Smith-ebook/dp/B086BRRRSG

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The Order is the first story I’ve ever given up on in 2000AD. It doesn’t help that it started before I resumed my sub, but so did plenty of other strips and I managed to follow them well enough. It’s genuinely baffling. So I’m also glad it’s not just me!

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I'm going to say its the art not the writing on the Order and Deadworld.

Artist trying to show off their talents rather than tell a story. Too many people looking at Bisley's slaine and thinking they can do the same only to fail by a country mile. 

Then Blink is stupendously good, because Culbard holds it all together before hitting the weirdness button.  

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It's odd though, I missed the first half of "grey area" so when I restarted buy the mag it thought the art and story were rubbish. One of the characters being called Bitch face or something didn't help

But "the out" is really engrossing. I just hope the payoff isn't that earth is invading everything and that's why she has no contact with the media company. Or they're using her pictures to plan the invasion. 

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I must admit I didn't enjoy Grey Area either.  The art was lovely though.

 

I suppose 2000ad tends to specialise in oddballs or outcasts or weirdos as the stars of each strip (excluding the obvious main strip), and with Grey Area, they were essentially a bunch of space marines / prison guards.  They weren't the outsiders, they were the agents of the establishment, so I wasn't rooting for them, or even caring about them at all.

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Really? That late arc of Grey Area with the abduction of two of the officers that were presumed dead was stellar stuff.

 

Basically it all boils down to Dan Abnett. Funny, I thought I first encountered his writing in the 40K novels (Gaunt’s Ghosts and Horus Heresy mainly) which some of the latter led me to believe he was churning stuff out too fast to maintain quality, but his work for 2000AD is impeccable.

 

I recently got a load of scans of the old Marvel UK Real Ghostbusters comics that I read back in the 80s - you know how kids comics and annuals had those occasional short stories with illustrations in, rather than proper comics? issue 3 or 4 I think had one of those, written by Dan Abnett. (another early issue had one where he did the colours for the illustrations, so he must have been on an internship or something? Making the tea etc).

 

I figure that makes Dan Abnett the writer I have read the most, for the longest time throughout my life.

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51 minutes ago, Darwock said:

Really? That late arc of Grey Area with the abduction of two of the officers that were presumed dead was stellar stuff.

 

Basically it all boils down to Dan Abnett. Funny, I thought I first encountered his writing in the 40K novels (Gaunt’s Ghosts and Horus Heresy mainly) which some of the latter led me to believe he was churning stuff out too fast to maintain quality, but his work for 2000AD is impeccable.

 

I recently got a load of scans of the old Marvel UK Real Ghostbusters comics that I read back in the 80s - you know how kids comics and annuals had those occasional short stories with illustrations in, rather than proper comics? issue 3 or 4 I think had one of those, written by Dan Abnett. (another early issue had one where he did the colours for the illustrations, so he must have been on an internship or something? Making the tea etc).

 

I figure that makes Dan Abnett the writer I have read the most, for the longest time throughout my life.

Abnett is also one of the guys responsible for the Guardians of the Galaxy we all know and love these days.
 

Overall almost all of his work for Marvel and DC has been really good.

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11 hours ago, theredstar said:

 

It's astounding value. So many good titles. Zenith alone would cost you more than that.

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Have to say, The Out is by far my favourite thing about the prog at the moment. This week's chapter was just incredibly well done!

 

Trying to like End of Days, but it feels really half-hearted and low energy. The world doesn't feel in any actual danger like it did in Necropolis and Judgement Day, and I don't really understand why the Ichabod character is even there... maybe it will come clear after this week's chapter.

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32 minutes ago, Dr_Dave said:

Have to say, The Out is by far my favourite thing about the prog at the moment. This week's chapter was just incredibly well done!

 

Trying to like End of Days, but it feels really half-hearted and low energy. The world doesn't feel in any actual danger like it did in Necropolis and Judgement Day, and I don't really understand why the Ichabod character is even there... maybe it will come clear after this week's chapter.

 

Agree completely. The Out started good and just gets better every week.

 

I couldn't put my finger on why End of Days wasn't working for me but I think you've cracked it - in the old apocalyptic epics the action would be interspersed with the impact being felt by the wider world. But in this the focus is fixed entirely on the small band of protagonists so there's no sense of scale or danger. It just feels like another monster of the week most of the time.

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Yeah... Oh Dredds the bad monster this time... Hmmm OK. No doubt it'll all be an illustration or there's going to be a thing that saves him/them/mc1/the world/humanity etc etc. Blah  lah blah. Whatever. Dredd never dies so there's no jeopardy what so ever. 

 

The big however. Utterly beautiful. I had a tear I'm my eye at the reveal. I thought the comedy alien was going to go one way then the page turned and boom. Right in the feels. Superb. 

 

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I'm behind due to playing games too much the last few weeks so I only just read the week before this one. I do like it when the "Younger stories" take over every now and again. It's a nice change of pace to have an issue of single issue stories. Especially Cadet Dredd and Rico.

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On 05/09/2020 at 19:49, Flub said:

I'm behind due to playing games too much the last few weeks so I only just read the week before this one. I do like it when the "Younger stories" take over every now and again. It's a nice change of pace to have an issue of single issue stories. Especially Cadet Dredd and Rico.

 

I've liked the 'regened' younger issues, but find it a bit weird that they're occasional issues of the regular comic.  Not sure how that's supposed to work with getting younger readers on board.  You buy them a 'regened' prog, and they really like it, but then what are they supposed to do?  The next issue comes out next week and it's all forgotten and it's back to modern 2000ad with the grimmer tone and the odd swear, etc.

 

Wouldn't they have been better as a series of specials?  Like quarterly releases or something, that if a kid is into, he / she can start collecting and look out for the next one coming along soon, etc.

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