Wall-E - New from Pixar

[Sidewaysbob]

It would turm to ice in an instant...... zero temperature and all that

And i'm not too sure that the fire extinguisher wouln't have exploded.

Still a loverly movie though

[Smitty]

Not that it matters, but what's to say a plant can't survive a few seconds in a vacuum? Doesn't sound too unrealistic to me.

Do you know how cold space is?

[oli]

Do you know how cold space is?

Chilly?

[Smitty]

I saw it at the Empire, which blew my mind. No other cinemas in Leicester Square had it on, which was odd.

The cinemas have an agreement not to show the same films.

[Graham S]

Do you know how cold space is?

Fair enough, but people can supposedly survive for a short while, so... It doesn't matter. Some plants can survive severe frosts. Soon we'll be complaining that we hear sound effects in space too. I don't think it's a problem.

[Graham S]

I found the annoying advert before the movie a bit jarring when Wall-E was warning us off the perils of being a knock-off Nigel. But I'm not sure that his copy of Hello Dolly is legit, the picture quality isn't all that great, and he's probably been making illegal backups to keep it working for 700 years. I reckon he's a big hypocrite.

[JPickford]

Do you know how cold space is?

Not really. It can't actually be proper cold in a vacuum can it? How does the heat travel?

EDIT: Seems to be something called blackbody radiation.

[Shoes]

I found the annoying advert before the movie a bit jarring when Wall-E was warning us off the perils of being a knock-off Nigel. But I'm not sure that his copy of Hello Dolly is legit, the picture quality isn't all that great, and he's probably been making illegal backups to keep it working for 700 years. I reckon he's a big hypocrite.

That was pretty amusing. I didn't like how it was basically a trailer for the film before the film, either.

[Smitty]

Some plants can survive severe frosts.

I was going to respond with something else, but thinking about it now, triggered a memory, I do remember that an object in space would cool....but very slowly indeed.

So now i'm wondering what would actually happen to a plant. If it takes a long time to freeze, it wouldn't be damaged by a few seconds outside.

Hmmm looks like I might be completely wrong.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astr...rs/980301b.html

If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there.

Jonathan Keohane

[Major Britten]

Saw this last night and thoroughly enjoyed it, not quite as good as Ratatoiulle but is probably 4th best pixar film for me (behind Ratatouille, Monsters Inc and Incredibles). Visually amazing as expected and the score and sound effects were superb as well. Story has a couple of flaws in it but was engaging throughout, the love story was really nicely done and is one of the most emotional pixar films by far. Although the first few minutes seem quite bleak the rest of the film imo was actually very optimistic and not the dystopian future it was hinted at.

Cant wait to see it again

[Hexx]

I was going to respond with something else, but thinking about it now, triggered a memory, I do remember that an object in space would cool....but very slowly indeed.

So now i'm wondering what would actually happen to a plant. If it takes a long time to freeze, it wouldn't be damaged by a few seconds outside.

Hmmm looks like I might be completely wrong.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astr...rs/980301b.html

Can't you put it in a microwave proof box?

[utopastac]

I'd like to add I thought the sequence over the credits was lovely.

In terms of characters, it's probably my favourite Pixar film and second favourite overall (after the Incredibles). I thought Ratatouille was horrible in character terms, really weak.

[Blobcat]

Who says? Just because it is animated and a U certificate, people go "oh, it's a kids film". Bollocks.

The scenes between Wall-E and EVE resonate on a level well, well above the experience of an 8 year old. The opening half hour is about the sheer loneliness of Wall-E's existence, who is desparate for interaction with anyone other than himself. He longs just to touch the hand of somebody else. He

sits there in a lightning storm, watches the sunset with an inanimate blob

just so he doesn't feel alone.

The scene with

Wall-E and Eve, flying outside the Axiom, him using the fire extinguisher

- that isn't for kids. The sheer delight of that sequence is for any adult who has fallen head over heels in love.

It is a love story. A wonderful, touching, love story. At the end of it, you want to walk out of the cinema holding the hand of your loved one, because that is all Wall-E ever wanted.

Kids film? My arse.

If you kept reading I said 'It's a childrens animation that adults can watch, its supposed to be fun'

I don't think i would have liked the films as much as a kid as I do now. Toy story came out when I was 12 or something I think so I was never really young to watch the films (except the short clips of the Pixar Lamp on Rolf Harris's show).

I ment that its a family film that adults and kids can watch, both getting more out of it than the other.

[CrispinG]

You're arguing about whether a plant could survive in space? Only on the internet.

[Sybernetix]

Anyone see the rabbit and the magician short at the start? that was fecking funny, had no nock off nigel thing though! (thank god)

[edit]

its called presto.

[CrispinG]

Didn't find it funny, oddly. Plus I kept complaining to my wife that they'd ripped off Portal.

[Shoes]

I liked it. It reminded me of Portal too, but it was probably conceived before Portal came out.

[Eats hoops and leaves]

Who says? Just because it is animated and a U certificate, people go "oh, it's a kids film". Bollocks.

The scenes between Wall-E and EVE resonate on a level well, well above the experience of an 8 year old. The opening half hour is about the sheer loneliness of Wall-E's existence, who is desparate for interaction with anyone other than himself. He longs just to touch the hand of somebody else. He

sits there in a lightning storm, watches the sunset with an inanimate blob

just so he doesn't feel alone.

The scene with

Wall-E and Eve, flying outside the Axiom, him using the fire extinguisher

- that isn't for kids. The sheer delight of that sequence is for any adult who has fallen head over heels in love.

It is a love story. A wonderful, touching, love story. At the end of it, you want to walk out of the cinema holding the hand of your loved one, because that is all Wall-E ever wanted.

Kids film? My arse.

Great post.

[Guest]

What are you so confused about? The President and everyone left on earth from 700 years ago is dead. He even said in his speech to the AI that the Axiom should never come back. So the AI followed its directive like all the machines, even Wall-E who was battered and rotting away still kept creating blocks and piling them up as he was programmed to do.

The President and whoever else was left is either dead or escaped on another vessel. There was no need to keep the company going. It had already created the ship and the robots just kept everything ticking over they dont care about who owns them or why they serve humans as they just do the job so they would never remove the BNL reference from everything. The humans were in such a closed off lazy, childlike state that they would never do anything.

i'm not confused about anything, if you look back that was just one of the points of why i think it's one of pixar's weakest stories.

regarding the point you're talking about, that seems like a fair enough answer, but

why did the president give those orders? and why were they only for auto to see. was auto really in charge of everything? i thought something so important would have needed human input and should have been passed down from captain to captain.

like people have said though, it's only a film and i loved everything bar the inconsistencies in the story.

[footle]

I found the annoying advert before the movie a bit jarring when Wall-E was warning us off the perils of being a knock-off Nigel. But I'm not sure that his copy of Hello Dolly is legit, the picture quality isn't all that great, and he's probably been making illegal backups to keep it working for 700 years. I reckon he's a big hypocrite.

I think it was the way we'd be steadfastly avoiding trailers (and even the existance of Eve) and then...

Hey! Here comes an annoying spoiler filled advert to piss off the paying customer again...

Perhaps not one of Kerraig's better ideas, however good his original was.

[Lorfarius]

regarding the point you're talking about, that seems like a fair enough answer, but

why did the president give those orders? and why were they only for auto to see. was auto really in charge of everything? i thought something so important would have needed human input and should have been passed down from captain to captain.

The President gave the order because the toxicity level had reached such a high that noone on the planet could see it ever reaching a habitable level ever again. He said that in his secret message to Auto and even made a big scene where he was putting his gas mask on (were you even watching? ). The worry for the President would have been the human race coming back at a much later date with the Captain being able to make that decision, when the planet would never be clean so he did what he could to save the human race. However the Earth did recover and he never foresaw that. Pretty simple.

[Goose]

I liked it. It reminded me of Portal too, but it was probably conceived before Portal came out.

I might be wrong but I think Wall-E was one of the Pixar Five - five ideas that Pixar had for films before they got into full length features. Wall-E was the last one of those ideas to make it to the screen, so the idea (not the look, but you never know) must be at least 15 years old. Yep, just checked, the idea for Wall-E was actually conceived before Toy Story.

[therearerules]

I might be wrong but I think Wall-E was one of the Pixar Five - five ideas that Pixar had for films before they got into full length features. Wall-E was the last one of those ideas to make it to the screen, so the idea (not the look, but you never know) must be at least 15 years old. Yep, just checked, the idea for Wall-E was actually conceived before Toy Story.

Umm, he's talking about Presto, Goose. The short before WallE where a rabbit and magician are thinking with portals.

[Goose]

Aw crap, sorry about that!

lol!

[Graham S]

A number of reviews have worried that the long, dialogue-free opening might be a bit boring for kids, expecting that they'd be hoping for fast-paced talky mayhem like the second half. I'd hate to extrapolate from my own kids to all children, but for them the reverse was true. They're probably better at coping with dialogue free sections, figuring things out from the visuals alone, than adults are. I'd prefer more children's films to be quieter and more contemplative: it didn't do The Red Balloon any harm.

[Nick R]

It's wonderful. I still haven't seen Cars, but all of Pixar's other films are great - and this was up there with them. Stunning to look at and listen to, and based around a great idea.

I loved EVE's expressions - her "blinks" reminded me of that nice touch back in Toy Story where Pixar often had characters' eyes blink slightly out of synch.

I was a bit disappointed in the trailers before the film: with "Fly Me to the Moon" they've somehow made an Animals Go Into Space movie that looks even less appealing than "Space Chimps". But then, I suppose it's a bit early for a Coraline trailer.

I think it could've done with some more time on Earth though, Wall-E falling in love with Eve all happened a bit too suddenly for me, watching the relationship form more slowly would've been ace.

Yes, I could have sat and watched WALL-E wandering around alone, and then his antics with EVE, for longer. Although I agree with the consensus that the film is slightly less sucessful when the human characters are introduced, I did think the Axiom was a very impressive location... one of the all-time great sci-fi spaceships? It's certainly up there with the other ones Sigourney Weaver was in voiced.

I was nicely suprised to see that people were also good. I was expecting them to be not only lazy and fat, but also obnoxious and hating the robots for some reason.

Yeah, I was expecting that too, especially with the only shot of humans in the trailer being the Captain looking angry. I wasn't expecting the Captain to be a sympathetic character, but they did a great job of making him one.

the president was in charge 700 years ago, what happened after that? who kept the company going and why were they never revealed. surely they'd be pretty important to the part of the story where

the captain and auto are fighting over whether to go back to earth.

I assumed that the company was just sort of self-perpetuating through its own bureaucracy in the sort of way that Douglas Adams might have written about.

Similarly, I was expecting that the reason Buy N Large/Auto didn't want the ship to return to Earth was going to be that if people returned to Earth, they would realise what had happened and not buy any more Buy N Large products. I don't think the actual reason was explained very well: OK, the company/country president said that the planet was too toxic to return to, but didn't finding plant life disprove that and override his order?

But as others have said, that flaw in the story didn't hurt the brilliant characterisation of WALL-E and EVE. Although I don't think the malfunctioning robots will be as memorable as the mutant toys in Toy Story.

[Guest]

The President gave the order because the toxicity level had reached such a high that noone on the planet could see it ever reaching a habitable level ever again. He said that in his secret message to Auto and even made a big scene where he was putting his gas mask on (were you even watching? ). The worry for the President would have been the human race coming back at a much later date with the Captain being able to make that decision, when the planet would never be clean so he did what he could to save the human race. However the Earth did recover and he never foresaw that. Pretty simple.

pretty stupid more like (not you, the story by the way!). wasn't the point of eve to go back and see if earth was inhabitable again? so, why would auto listen to what a 700 year old film was saying, over the actual fact they'd found the earth able to sustain life again?

like nick r just said, i thought when they tried to destroy the plant that it'd end up being some ploy by buy n large to save their own skins, but none of that materialised.

[Mogster]

It would turm to ice in an instant...... zero temperature and all that

It's not quite zero, and even so it would take some time to cool down. Heat travels fastest through conduction, through actual contact with colder objects. Stick a hot pan in cold water, and it will cool down very quickly. It can also travel through convection, but it needs an atmosphere to do that. In a cold vacuum, the only way something can lose heat is through radiation, and it would take a long time to freeze through radiation alone. The plant would have been fine.

And i'm not too sure that the fire extinguisher wouln't have exploded.

Nah. They're made of sturdy stuff, and a drop from one atmosphere to nothing wouldn't make much difference for it.

Anyway, what a wonderful movie! It didn't offer as many laughs as Pixar's earlier films (I haven't seen Cars), but it made up for it with a genuinely touching love story. The above fire extinguisher scene was as lovely as it was s[ectacular.

[Lorfarius]

pretty stupid more like (not you, the story by the way!). wasn't the point of eve to go back and see if earth was inhabitable again? so, why would auto listen to what a 700 year old film was saying, over the actual fact they'd found the earth able to sustain life again?

Because everything is automated. The overriding command was never to return but that doesnt stop the sub systems from following out its other duties. They are machines remember and still have to do what they are told.

[Hexx]

I nearly cried towards the end :'(