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FATEone

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There's some proper cunts in this thread. Like, horrible cunts.

Claiming Nani, or anyone really (barring people like Lee Hughes or players that people could have a genuine issue with because something that they have done has caused incredible harm to someone), deserves to get talked like that - that's pathetic.

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The Fox

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Both Rafael and Carragher's challenges could have been reds.. by the last couple of seasons' standards, but 5 years ago there wouldn't have been such an issue made of either.

In 2005/6? Seriously? It wasn't Chopper Harris and Dave Mackay back then you know.

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Football is played with the feet, hence why raising your hands falls under the sending off box of voilent conduct. Rugby players use their hands, which is why they get sin-binned if they trip someone using their feet. I'm no fan of the FA, but on this they can't really do anything else, but stand by the referee's decisions. Otherwise the refs would have even less credebility and respect than they already do (Thanks to a downward spiral that Ferguson and Man Utd set into motion some years ago!) Like you say, if the ref comes out and admits he's made a mistake, the FA have the go-ahead to re-officiate, without worry that every game will end up the with multiple retrospective punishment appeals.

I agree with that, though I'm not going to get into the Ferguson comment. That Keane bulging head picture with the vein jumping out of the side of his temple where they literally chased D'Urso half the pitch is as atrocious as it is infamous, but there's no way they where the only ones doing it at the time. That's for another thread though, surely.

However, the original point made to Bradigor was not that should they act or not if the ref sees it (I hesitantly say no they shouldn't for the can of worms you describe) but the point was that, by the rules as Samuel pointed out, they can.

'The Disciplinary Committee is responsible for: a) sanctioning serious infringements which have escaped the match officials' attention; b) rectifying obvious errors in the referee's disciplinary decisions; c) extending the duration of a match suspension incurred automatically by an expulsion; d) pronouncing additional sanctions, such as a fine.'

Though I'm repeating myself now which probably means it's time to leave it alone.

The respect thing, and though you haven't brought it up, others do in regards to rugby is an interesting one. Rugby players are much better behaved for sure. That said they also employ technology for decisions so I'd argue that rugby players don't need to be vociferous as they know it's an appeal away from being over turned.

I don't think the refs help themselves at times. It'd be better if they came out and explained themselves and mostly if they weren't so inconsistent. I mean how on earth can that challenge yesterday at Wolves for the penalty not be a red? It's the definition of denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Obviously I was happy that Rooney didn't get done, but I can't for the life of me explain how the ref thought the Rooney challenge was OK after seeing the video. At the time it's understandable as he was watching play and only saw a glimpse of something in the corner of his eye, which is backed up by the Wigan players non reaction. Having seen the video though...

Likewise the ref was no more than 5 yards away directly looking at the Luiz incident midweek.

Did you see the Newcastle- Arsenal game? It's the same ref that did nothing yesterday in the Scouse/Utd game that gave that none penalty and red for basically handbags in the Arse one.

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FATEone

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In 2005/6? Seriously? It wasn't Chopper Harris and Dave Mackay back then you know.

Yes. Well done. Now if you read the post properly, you might understand it this time. What I said was 5 years ago, nobody would be making a big issue of either challenge, ie. calling for retrospective punishment, everyone would be like; oooh, naughty tackle, definitely a yellow. It's a derby for feck sake, grow some balls you gays!

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Gabe

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There's some proper cunts in this thread. Like, horrible cunts.

Claiming Nani, or anyone really (barring people like Lee Hughes or players that people could have a genuine issue with because something that they have done has caused incredible harm to someone), deserves to get talked like that - that's pathetic.

As much as I may not like Nani, RT is right here. Folks that are happy to see a player - of any team - injured aren't really representing the club very well. Carragher's challenge was awful, of that there can be no doubt and he should have seen a red. It's actually to United's credit that they haven't been shouting the place down about it.

And the fact that it was made public that Carragher stayed outside the dressing room to apologise should tell you how bad a challenge it was - you only tend to hear those stories after the shocking tackles (see Karl Henry/Martin Taylor for example).

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Not that refs should judge decisions on how loud players scream or anything, but from his reaction I don't think anyone had an idea of how hurt Nani was, simply because of his previous over the top reactions. If Giggs went down screaming like a bitch then people might take notice but with Nani you just roll your eyes.

I don't know what my point quite is, just people would be a lot more sympathetic to Nani if he player the game fairly himself.

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Who is defending the challenge? It seems like the majority in this thread think that Carragher should have been sent off. One guy has said it should have been a red but people are over-hyping the need for retrospective punishment, and another has said Nani is a cunt and acted the ponce. Fair enough. It's a much better overall reaction than the "but Gerrard does the same thing" defence that is usually thrown about by a good few of the mancs on here when any Man U player does something wrong. Hey, perhaps Rafael would have known better than to jump in like that if he was punished for going in two-footed on Meireles at the pit this season. Who knows? And see how easy that is?

I don't see the need to go over and over all of these decisions when they were pretty clear-cut. Both Carragher and Rafael were lucky to stay on the pitch. If you guys want to analyse something, perhaps you should start with some of the play that was on show yesterday, and leave the boring FA bashing to the tabloids.

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I'll take another away draw and a slim home win, pace ourselves till the end of the season and hopefully get to April in the semis of the Europa League and by some miracle close to 4th/5th.

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Hmm.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/07/nani-manchester-united-jamie-carragher

Nani feels let down by Manchester United over their failure to complain publicly about the tackle by Liverpool's Jamie Carragher that forced him off the field at Anfield with a badly gashed leg.

Nani was withdrawn at half-time of Sunday's defeat and, although United were privately furious at Carragher's challenge, which they felt merited a red rather than a yellow card, they have not commented on the incident because of a media black-out imposed by Sir Alex Ferguson.

United's manager refused to speak to any media outlets after the game, including the club's own television station, and instructed his coaching staff and players to remain silent.

Sources close to Nani said the winger believes the club should have shown support for him publicly. United's chief executive, David Gill, was sufficiently incensed by Carragher's tackle to voice his complaints to the referees' chief, Mike Riley, at half-time in the directors' box.

Carragher tried to apologise to Nani after the game but it is understood the Portuguese was unwilling to engage with the defender, who was denied access by United's players to their dressing room. He then waited outside with the intention of saying sorry but Nani is understood to have walked by.

Nani does not expect his injury to sideline him for long. "I would like to thank supporters for their good wishes and I hope to be back really soon," he said.

Stay Classy.

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I think Nani is perfectly entitled to not accept his apology to be fair. I'm sure Carragher won't lose sleep over it, he did what he could (assuming that's true).

Proper Arsenal fan point of view... he gave him a boo boo, so I don't care if he's sorry! Grow up!

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A boo boo? What are you, 5? Footballers are probably the most cuntish sportsman around, both on the pitch and off it yet we like them to pretend that everyone is all buddy-buddy despite the fact they all cheat and try and break each others legs. You wouldn't walk up to a bloke and shake his hand if he'd done that to you in the street so why would you do it on a football pitch? Footballers might get a bit more respect on the pitch if they didn't all think they could get away with everything they did with a meaningless apology which the fans lap up as some kind of heartfelt confession.

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Proper Arsenal fan point of view... he gave him a boo boo, so I don't care if he's sorry! Grow up!

No idea what supporting Arsenal has got to do with anything. It's like phresh said, really. If someone put a tackle like that on me in my six-a-side league and left a hole in my shin I certainly wouldn't be up for shaking his hand at full time, more likely I'd chin the cunt. Who is Carragher to Nani? Why does he have to give a shit about his apology? And similarly, why does Carragher have to care if Nani shuns him? I doubt either of them give a fuck to be honest, because they don't inhabit your special magical fairyland where all professional footballers are best buddies and have a rigorous code of conduct.

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So, moving on from THAT tackle, tomorrows game is gonna be tricky. With a few players out, I'd definitely settle for a draw. Hoping Carroll comes on as it will be interesting to see how he fits in the team. Kuyt to continue his streak too :)

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No idea what supporting Arsenal has got to do with anything. It's like phresh said, really. If someone put a tackle like that on me in my six-a-side league and left a hole in my shin I certainly wouldn't be up for shaking his hand at full time, more likely I'd chin the cunt. Who is Carragher to Nani? Why does he have to give a shit about his apology? And similarly, why does Carragher have to care if Nani shuns him? I doubt either of them give a fuck to be honest, because they don't inhabit your special magical fairyland where all professional footballers are best buddies and have a rigorous code of conduct.

Well the mature thing to do is accept the apology and move on. These people are role models, whether they like it or not.

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Nani hardly screams mature. Usually he screams "Mummy I'm hurt!"; when he isn't.

I guess the one time he is hurt it evens itself out.

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If he needs surgery - and if he's still having trouble with it even after all this time, then that is a possibility - he could very well be out for the rest of the season. Hopefully it's just a precaution but he took pain-killing injections on it before the last game, and he was only just back from a lay-off with the same problem. Pointless international nonsense. :(

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The Liverpool team in full is: Reina, Carragher, Johnson, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Poulsen, Spearing, Cole, Meireles, Kuyt. Subs: Gulacsi, Pacheco, Carroll, Wilson, Ngog, Maxi, Flanagan.

Hmm, think this may be a tough match.

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