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Are you fucking kidding me? We have been woeful today and Reinas had a right mare.

About what, where I said "poor performance all round"?

How's that controversial if you agree with me :P

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Awful, and yet you'll still get people saying Kenny's made everything better and that it's OK to lose to Wham 3-1. Obviously it's not really his fault, he hasn't been there long, I'm just saying he'snot going to magically make everything great.

Say what you like about about him but under Benitez that would never have been acceptable.

Second half Wigan and this match we've been awful. We didn't put them under any pressure and it looks like the honeymoon period has worn off, with the injuries we have.

Skrtel was fucking woeful, don't know what he was doing for the second goal but I can't see him being with us next season. Carragher's got his bulletproof new contract but fuck me he's dire when not making last ditch challenges. It says a lot our best defenders aren't over 21. Kelly is a massive shame, easily our best player today and contender for player of the season. Wilson wasn't as effective but he wasn't awful either.

Midfield non existent, Lucas was running around trying to fight fires all game and ending up not getting the ball while Joe Cole's career at top clubs must be over. Gerrard phoned in that performance and Dirk...well, someone said he'd be better off playing on the moon so his touch wouldn't be out of place in that atmosphere.

Plus points? Suarez was starved but still showed quality. Kelly is a beast and...yeah that's pretty much it.

Oh, I forgot about Ngog. Probably for the best. Players seemed to revert to their form first half of the season. Give Kenny a permanent contract now so he can start planning for the summer and the players will feel like they're playing for the futures, if not for the fans.

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20 - Steven Gerrard misplaced 20 passes v West Ham, the highest total by any LFC outfielder in a PL game this season. Turnover.

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Awful, and yet you'll still get people saying Kenny's made everything better and that it's OK to lose to Wham 3-1. Obviously it's not really his fault, he hasn't been there long, I'm just saying he'snot going to magically make everything great.

Say what you like about about him but under Benitez that would never have been acceptable.

I said similar after the Blackpool and Wigan games. We haven't really gotten any better, we still look poor defensively and lack creativity.

Kenny has shown he is more prepared to give the youngsters a try, at least; Kelly has looked good whenever I've seen him and whilst not having a great game it's important for Wilson to get games too. Suarez looks promising, we clearly need to support him better. It'll be interesting to see how he works up top with Carroll.

Given our run-in I'd say 5th is now looking hard to reach, really needed the 3 points today to keep the pressure up.

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Plus cash aswell! :eyebrows::eyebrows::eyebrows:

You can have £10m on top. Gerrard is just a liability now. And apparently you'd better not change the music in the dressing room.

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What do you do when the club Captain, who says he "leads by example", is absolutely terrible? An awful example to set by all accounts.

Chances of him going anywhere = none, being dropped = none. The days of being glad that Gerrard is coming back to the team are well and truly over, unless he has a spectacular end of season/start of next.

How Kenny deals with the inexorable demise of Gerrard will be interesting.

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The new American owners are going to need to come up with a huge war chest. If Liverpool are going to take on the likes of Arsenal and Manchester United here and Barcelona in Europe then how many of the existing squad are really good enough?

Or put it another way, if SAF and Wenger were told they could have any Liverpool players for free then who would they take?

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That's always a flawed way of looking at it. I wouldn't take John O'Shea but he's a crucial squad member for United, for example.

The squad needs overhauling but we can't just rip up the entire team in one season, both in terms of continuity and in terms of cost. We definitely need two wide attackers, players who can run with the ball at pace. We need a new centre back and we need a left back. Realistically I'd look to sell Joe Cole, Jovanovic and Skrtel because we won't be able to shift Carragher and Gerrard still offers a lot going forward. Kuyt needs more resting but he still delivers when we really, really need him and Maxi is a useful player in a good passing team. If by some miracle there was a side out there willing to pay us what we shelled out for Poulsen then I'd get rid but unless we really push the boat out I'd leave midfield - provided Aquilani comes back.

Really, really need a pacy strong centre back though.

In FM world, I'd sign Turan and Hazard as our attackers this summer.

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In FM world, I'd sign Turan and Hazard as our attackers this summer.

In:

Arda

Hazard (although it's much more likely to be Young)

Taiwo

Hummels

Out:

Cole

Jovanovic

Poulsen

Skrtel

I'd be very happy with that. I really doubt we'll buy a CB this summer, but I'm in agreement with you about Skrtel and I hope he'll be replaced. If we do finally address our problems at left back I think Ligue 1 is a great place to look. Taiwo's contract is up in the summer, though I'm not sure he'd be fit regularly enough. Tremoulinas is fucking immense as well, and would be my first choice, particularly if we are going to persist with wing backs, and Bordeaux would surely be prepared to cash in. A transfer involving Arda seems like it's destined to happen (and has done for years), and in terms of towering CBs I'd be looking at Hummels, Subotic and Douglas (in that order). Hummels is bloody fantastic.

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In:

Arda

Hazard (although it's much more likely to be Young)

Taiwo

Hummels

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Cole

Jovanovic

Poulsen

Skrtel

I'd be very happy with that. I really doubt we'll buy a CB this summer, but I'm in agreement with you about Skrtel and I hope he'll be replaced. If we do finally address our problems at left back I think Ligue 1 is a great place to look. Taiwo's contract is up in the summer, though I'm not sure he'd be fit regularly enough. Tremoulinas is fucking immense as well, and would be my first choice, particularly if we are going to persist with wing backs, and Bordeaux would surely be prepared to cash in. A transfer involving Arda seems like it's destined to happen (and has done for years), and in terms of towering CBs I'd be looking at Hummels, Subotic and Douglas (in that order). Hummels is bloody fantastic.

Taiwo wouldn't really solve our problems at the back unless we invested in central midfielders, which isn't gonna happen with the abundance we have and the potential losses we'll make on them. Either of the Dortmund defenders would be amazing but would they really need to sell? They'll be in the CL and they're loaded now, can't see them selling for cheap and if we go for Turan and Hazard (prefer him over Young) that'll cost us a pretty penny.

Cole and Jovanovic are pretty much out the door and Skrtel as well if we replace him. Poulsen I'm not sure, if someone comes in with a £5m deal I can see it happening but who would take him?

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Taiwo wouldn't really solve our problems at the back unless we invested in central midfielders, which isn't gonna happen with the abundance we have and the potential losses we'll make on them. Either of the Dortmund defenders would be amazing but would they really need to sell? They'll be in the CL and they're loaded now, can't see them selling for cheap and if we go for Turan and Hazard (prefer him over Young) that'll cost us a pretty penny.

Cole and Jovanovic are pretty much out the door and Skrtel as well if we replace him. Poulsen I'm not sure, if someone comes in with a £5m deal I can see it happening but who would take him?

I thought we were playing FM!

I don't follow your thinking on Taiwo. Hummels would cost a shit-load but he'd be bloody worth it. Anyone that has seen him play would prefer Hazard over Young. I just think it's far more likely to be Young we end up with. I think we'll have to pay someone to take Poulsen from us. Perhaps West Brom might want him...

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I thought we were playing FM!

I don't follow your thinking on Taiwo. Hummels would cost a shit-load but he'd be bloody worth it. Anyone that has seen him play would prefer Hazard over Young. I just think it's far more likely to be Young we end up with. I think we'll have to pay someone to take Poulsen from us. Perhaps West Brom might want him...

Taiwo is a full back in the same mould as Johnson, if we're going to play with attacking fullbacks or wing backs then we need a strong two or three in the centre of midfield to keep possession and to cover. When we had Mascherano and Lucas then that worked but Poulsen, Meireles, Gerrard or Cole in the middle makes that impossible. Only Lucas and Spearing really have the legs to do that and Meireles is wasted doing that.

Hummels would be worth it but if we're spunking big money then that'll go on wingers/wide forwards first and I really don't see NESV spending to the limit of our FFP ability. Especially without CL football to balance the books.

I hope we don't get Young instead of Hazard, he's a gem and isn't likely to be tempted to go home in his prime.

How about Mathieu from Valencia? Everytime ive seen him play he's been strong and reliable at the back, energetic and skillful going forward.

I REALLY hope Aquilani fancies coming back and giving Liverpool another try.

Not a fan of Mathieu, he just seems weak.

I'd love Aquilani back and I'm hoping Juve can't afford him so he has to come back.

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Taiwo is a full back in the same mould as Johnson, if we're going to play with attacking fullbacks or wing backs then we need a strong two or three in the centre of midfield to keep possession and to cover. When we had Mascherano and Lucas then that worked but Poulsen, Meireles, Gerrard or Cole in the middle makes that impossible. Only Lucas and Spearing really have the legs to do that and Meireles is wasted doing that.

Hummels would be worth it but if we're spunking big money then that'll go on wingers/wide forwards first and I really don't see NESV spending to the limit of our FFP ability. Especially without CL football to balance the books.

I hope we don't get Young instead of Hazard, he's a gem and isn't likely to be tempted to go home in his prime.

I disagree about Taiwo. He's quite pacey and athletic but is pretty solid in defence, and less than spectacular going forward (crazy powerful shooting aside). Maybe you've seen more of him than me and have a better idea of what he's like, but I've seen a fair bit and he looks like a solid LB to me. My only concerns with him would be down to fitness. I agree about Hazard but I reckon a transfer for Young is very likely to happen, given our interest in the last window, the length on his contract, his nationality, etc. I'd love Hazard but I also recognise that he represents a risk, particularly at the fee he'll likely fetch.

Hummels just blatantly isn't going to happen but then you did say 'in FM world'.

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If Juve don't pay the fee, he ain't going to stay.

If he really wants to stay in Italy then it's hard to imagine him coming back to us. I really hope he does but I'm not expecting it to happen. I think Juve will try to haggle over the fee but will end up paying in the end because he's been great for them.

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I disagree about Taiwo. He's quite pacey and athletic but is pretty solid in defence, and less than spectacular going forward (crazy powerful shooting aside). Maybe you've seen more of him than me and have a better idea of what he's like, but I've seen a fair bit and he looks like a solid LB to me. My only concerns with him would be down to fitness. I agree about Hazard but I reckon a transfer for Young is very likely to happen, given our interest in the last window, the length on his contract, his nationality, etc. I'd love Hazard but I also recognise that he represents a risk, particularly at the fee he'll likely fetch.

Hummels just blatantly isn't going to happen but then you did say 'in FM world'.

Yes, in FM world I would sign him too :D Actually in FM World I'd try and tease Dortmund out of selling a few players, they fit the bill of young, hungry and comfortable on the ball.

And I think with our new owners and Kenny at the helm we'll play hardball. He's a good player and I think a fully fit Aquilani will enjoy playing here and will offer something we don't have.

If not, sell him to the highest bidder.

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Where do you guys think it went wrong for Skrtel? When he joined he looked really good, was strong in the challenge, had awareness and could tackle. Now he looks lightweight, scared to get involved (and makes rash challenges when he does) and has no presence or ariel awareness.

He reminds me a bit of Josemi; he looked pretty good once, then got a head injury at Old Trafford and just looked a broken man when he returned, devoid of confidence and became a liability.

Do you think Skrtel was found-out, or just lacks confidence or simply isn't good enough?

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I really have no idea what's happened to him, but he's a shadow of the player he was when he joined. He was fearless and tough as fuck back then. He was awesome in the air as well. He's become completely obsessed with contact and just spends his time holding onto players' shirts. He never focuses on winning the ball in the air; he just looks for the nearest man and tries to hold him down. I don't know what has happened but it has been sad to watch; his entire game has just gone to shit.

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I think Kenny might end up trying to play four, five, six centre backs.

It didnt work yesterday; Chelsea we soaked up pressure and hit on the break, when it started at UP, it was the opposite. We couldnt break them down which is worrying.

I read somewhere that Carroll won't get his debut yet because he's been told to lose weight?!

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