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Dandy_Sephy

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Zonal Marking is great. If you like him, check out Jonathan Wilson in the Guardian, @jonawils on twitter, and his book Inverting the Pyramid.

So do we think 3 at the back was just for those games, or is it our new plan A?

I doubt it will be the defaut setup, but I can see it being used on occasion. That said, he may test the water for a while if he feels it's low risk, it may not work with different line ups. People will be looking out for it now so I suspect someone will try a formation aimed at stopping it.

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So do we think 3 at the back was just for those games, or is it our new plan A?

Reckon it'll be pretty much horses for courses while we 'make do' with what we have. Once Suarez and Carroll get going, though, think we'll see us have a steamroller approach to run of the mill games.

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Zonal Marking is great. If you like him, check out Jonathan Wilson in the Guardian, @jonawils on twitter, and his book Inverting the Pyramid.

So do we think 3 at the back was just for those games, or is it our new plan A?

If you've read Inverting the Pyramid then you'll know why 3-5-2 isn't the best of regular formations ;)

(absolutely fantastic book too, anyone who enjoys football should give it a read)

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If you've read Inverting the Pyramid then you'll know why 3-5-2 isn't the best of regular formations ;)

(absolutely fantastic book too, anyone who enjoys football should give it a read)

Which is why I'd be surprised if we stuck with it. I think we'll be back to 4-3-3 on Saturday. That said, I do think that the system Kenny has used negates many of the weaknesses usually prevalent in a 3-5-2. Due to the personnel used, our system was extremely flexible. It's not really a traditional 3-5-2 (or even a variant) at all. 3-3-3-1 is a much better description of it. We were playing with 3 central pivots in Skrtel, Lucas and Kuyt. As was pointed out by the zonalmarking guy, the three central defenders often became a two, thanks to it being three against one back there. We had Lucas ahead of them running the play and shielding the back line, and Kuyt up front. The rest of the players were popping up around both of those guys, and everywhere in between. We were obviously more disciplined in our positional play against Chelsea, but the versatility and unpredictability in our movement was still a large factor in our success. Consider the two best chances in that game:

- Gerrard and Johnson linking up on the left, Gerrard whipping a cross into the far post from his position on the left, Maxi getting onto said cross and failing miserably.

- Gerrard getting down the right, besting the full back and floating a cross over to the six yard box, Meireles making it look an easy chance with an accomplished finish.

The most obvious thing to point out in those two chances was the difference in Gerrard's position. It's a simple and glaring observation to make, but if you throw in the movement of the players getting on the end of the crosses you can really appreciate where the chances came from. How did both Maxi and Meireles manage to find themselves in such space in the opponents' penalty area? Neither attack was on the break, and neither opening came as a result of a prolonged spell of possession (where we had been able to pull Chelsea's defence out of its shape). The movement of the players playing around the central pivots was unpredictable and confusing for their defence. I do expect us to revert back to 4-3-3 in the next game, and I would expect that to be our Plan A for most games this season. But I also think that the way we set up in the last two games is a very solid option as well, and not just against teams that play with two strikers, or lack attacking width.

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Looks like Agger is having a wee pop at Torres - and he's very honest on the team and how they were playing too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/10/fernando-torres-liverpool-daniel-agger?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+theguardian/football/rss+(Football)

Fernando Torres failed to show Liverpool respect, says Daniel Agger

• 'It is unacceptable to play for one of Liverpool's arch rivals'

• 'I will never go to another club in England'

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Daniel Agger has denounced Fernando Torres for showing a lack of "respect" for Liverpool by joining Chelsea but admitted the Merseysiders' dismal start to the season had contributed heavily to the Spaniard's inconsistent form.

The Denmark centre-half has been a key member of the Liverpool side revitalised under Kenny Dalglish, rising to sixth in the table and six points from the fourth Champions League qualification place. The arrival of the £23m Luis Suárez from Ajax and Newcastle's Andy Carroll for a club record £35m could add even more impetus, potentially offsetting the £50m departure of Torres to Stamford Bridge.

The Spaniard's move, triggered by a desire to leave Anfield, frustrated Agger. "It is unacceptable to play for one of Liverpool's arch rivals," he said. "For a Dane, it's about having respect for the club you play at. I am proud to be able to pull on my Liverpool jersey and will never go to another club in England. I would never go to Manchester United or Everton, for example. It's about a form of respect for the club.

"I suppose Liverpool got a lot of money for him and, if the player doesn't want to be there any more, there is no reason to keep him. I should say I think everyone at Melwood liked him and still do, because he is a good guy and we wish him all the best in a blue shirt – except against us."

Asked why Torres's form had been so stodgy in the first half of the season, Agger said: "That is a big question, isn't it? How to explain that ... Look at the team – we played awful, we were shit. And he is a part of the team. When every element of the team plays well, he plays a lot better. It is the same for everybody – for me, for Stevie [Gerrard], everyone. When the team are performing, look at every single player and he is playing better. But when we are losing, everybody is on top of us. Everybody is playing poorly."

Liverpool have rediscovered their poise in recent weeks, with Dalglish overseeing a run of four successive victories, the last of which came at Torres's expense last Sunday. "A big part of it is down to Kenny and [the coach] Steve Clarke," said Agger. "They have made a major difference. But it is also something to do with confidence, because we are the same footballers. Confidence can win games and, somehow, Kenny and Steve have put the confidence back into the players. It is looking good, but there is still a long way to go."

Liverpool's assistant manager, Sammy Lee, attended Denmark's defeat to England in Copenhagen to watch Agger's international team-mate Christian Eriksen. The impressive 18-year-old midfielder is attracting interest from several leading clubs, including Arsenal and Milan, but believes his apprenticeship is best served by staying with Ajax and that he may not suit a move to the Premier League.

"I think I'm going to play in Ajax until my contract expires," said Eriksen. "There are a lot of young players who are busy looking at other clubs but that's not the way I think. There are still lots for me to learn and improve, and I can do that in Ajax, which is one of the best clubs in the world to develop talents.

"Every time Ajax are playing there are clubs watching me. So, yes, Liverpool have probably seen me, but I am not spending time wondering about it. No matter what, the Premier League is not the most obvious place for me to go. I'm not sure that I've got the physical ability to play there. Serie A or La Liga would suit me better, but it [a transfer] is not going to happen now."

Dalglish has rejected a claim that Carroll could miss the rest of this season with the thigh injury that has delayed his Liverpool debut. The forward has not played since 28 December but Liverpool's caretaker manager insisted: "We said right at the beginning that it will be a few weeks. There is nothing sinister in it.

"He has been thoroughly checked over, he is progressing well and I think whoever made that assertion has got a good chance of being wrong."

The Liverpool midfielder Jonjo Shelvey has been ruled out for 12 weeks with a knee tendon problem.

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I'm not really sure how he's relevant in a conversation about players who are idolised at average clubs but who are clearly lacking in ambition.

Evans has ambition. Being able to out jump and out muscle Shaun Wright Phillips.

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I'm not really sure how he's relevant in a conversation about players who are idolised at average clubs but who are clearly lacking in ambition.

I'm so glad you're getting MvC3. I just pray you frequent the rllmuk lobbies as much as you do this thread.

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The whole Heinze episode seems to have passed Robin by too...

Again, not relevant. How is Agger saying he wouldn't go to either United or Everton in any way similar to Heinze trying to leave? He mistakenly thought United were on an irreversable downturn and wanted out, for more money too, probably, and the club he wanted to go to actually wanted - needed - him.

I think that rational thinking passed you by, by way of your blinkered footballing foolishness.

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Again, not relevant. How is Agger saying he wouldn't go to either United or Everton in any way similar to Heinze trying to leave? He mistakenly thought United were on an irreversable downturn and wanted out, for more money too, probably, and the club he wanted to go to actually wanted - needed - him.

I think that rational thinking passed you by, by way of your blinkered footballing foolishness.

So are you Chase or Haribo?

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Again, not relevant. How is Agger saying he wouldn't go to either United or Everton in any way similar to Heinze trying to leave? He mistakenly thought United were on an irreversable downturn and wanted out, for more money too, probably, and the club he wanted to go to actually wanted - needed - him.

I think that rational thinking passed you by, by way of your blinkered footballing foolishness.

I'm trying to say that Fergie, the manager you worship so, has pretty much the exact same opinion of club loyalty as Agger is stating there. Agger isn't saying "Man Utd want me but I said no", he's just using a theoretical example to illustrate his feelings of club loyalty. The same feelings Alex Ferguson has.

Rational enough yet?

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I'm trying to say that Fergie, the manager you worship so, has pretty much the exact same opinion of club loyalty as Agger is stating there. Agger isn't saying "Man Utd want me but I said no", he's just using a theoretical example to illustrate his feelings of club loyalty. The same feelings Alex Ferguson has.

Rational enough yet?

So Ferguson, who you've only just mentioned, is relevant to Agger being deluded enough to think that either Manchester United or Everton would ever want to sign him, how? Is it because he didn't want to sell a player to Liverpool, when both the player and the club wanted to be together...forever?

So, you're upset, I think, that Ferguson blocked the transfer and you think that is just the same as Agger believing he's better than actually is? I just don't get the link.

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So Ferguson, who you've only just mentioned, is relevant to Agger being deluded enough to think that either Manchester United or Everton would ever want to sign him, how? Is it because he didn't want to sell a player to Liverpool, when both the player and the club wanted to be together...forever?

So, you're upset, I think, that Ferguson blocked the transfer and you think that is just the same as Agger believing he's better than actually is? I just don't get the link.

You're the only one who reads it as Agger believing he's better than he is. He mentions Utd and Everton because they are our traditional local rivals.

If he was having delusions of grandeur he would have namechecked Man City and Chelsea.

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He doesn't actually read it as that. Unless he's stultifyingly stupid and lacks basic reading comprehension, he is obviously trolling.

duuurrrr liverpool player talking bout rivals uuuurrr in next breath mentions clubs oldest and most famous rivals duuuur must fink they wanna sign him duuuuuuurr.

No one is actually this stupid.

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As stated on Football weekly - maybe this week they'll really have a go. Make it a good game. Man Utds side is pretty weak, they've just lost, even Evans is out - they really should go and give it a bloody good go!

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So Ferguson, who you've only just mentioned, is relevant to Agger being deluded enough to think that either Manchester United or Everton would ever want to sign him, how? Is it because he didn't want to sell a player to Liverpool, when both the player and the club wanted to be together...forever?

So, you're upset, I think, that Ferguson blocked the transfer and you think that is just the same as Agger believing he's better than actually is? I just don't get the link.

You must be Bradigor, doing your level best to get me to call you a cunt, because how you've managed to derive that shite above from that article, without doing so simply to chat shit, and try to get people to talk to you, even if it is arguing, because your pitiful life is devoid of friends, or even the warmth of a pet, is beyond me!?

You fecking MONG!

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