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rjpageuk

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There are definitely two aspects to the Torres mystery.

The first is his body language which has been almost always terrible in recent months but over the past few games has been much much better. This is specficially what I was talking about with regard to Dalglish.

The second part are the tactics we employ and how we use him. I know that the two are linked and Torres will obviously be happier if employed in a role that suits him I still think there have been signs Torres is working harder and trying harder now.

I suppose it could also be a fitness thing, but it just looks to me that he is responding to Dalglish.

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SMD

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Ok, and one final question, are you freely allowed to carry that stuff in or is it smuggled?

You're allowed to bring in flags provided they're not obscene. If you have a nice looking banner then they're fairly confident that it's sound - if you have a bedsheet and a marker, then they'll take the pen off you. As for the poles, generally it's alright as long as they're hollow and plastic. Wood and metal aren't really allowed so you can't make a weapon with them or conk someone round the head.

Great pictures SMD!

Cheers :)

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christaylor

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You're allowed to bring in flags provided they're not obscene. If you have a nice looking banner then they're fairly confident that it's sound - if you have a bedsheet and a marker, then they'll take the pen off you. As for the poles, generally it's alright as long as they're hollow and plastic. Wood and metal aren't really allowed so you can't make a weapon with them or conk someone round the head.

Great, cheers for the info. :)

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dogsout

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We should buy Darren Bent or someone else who cam score goals. There's not going to be anything happen before the summe is there.

We've already got a very similar (and superior) player in Torres. We need a different kind of forward; somebody to compliment what we have, rather than more of the same. We've been linked a lot with Luis Suarez (for £18m) recently. I'd be made up with that.

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I think Dave Wheater would be a decent purchase depending on price and I'd not be unhappy with Stewart Downing as rumored but I feel Aston Villa are going to want too much money for him.

Suarez could be a great purchase, he looks a player but many teams, including us have been burned by players from the dutch league who suddently can't play when they leave.

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Suarez could be a great purchase, he looks a player but many teams, including us have been burned by players from the dutch league who suddently can't play when they leave.

This is true, but there have also been loads of great players that made their name in Holland before moving elsewhere in Europe and achieving great things. It's a gamble but I think he's class. I no longer watch the Eredivisie so I couldn't tell you what he's like week in, week out, but I've been very impressed by the little I have seen of him. Everybody talks about his goalscoring but what most impresses me about him is his technique. He has excellent control, great passing ability, and brilliant accuracy with either foot. By all accounts he can play up front or wide (in a 3). He also has a bit of cunt about him - something this squad sorely lacks.

Have a look at this and tell me who he reminds you of:

http://www.footylounge.com/films/luis-suarez/20092010-49-goals-afc-ajax-video_48248ac0a.html

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phresh

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van Nistelrooy, Stam, Ronaldo, Romario, Robben, Seedorf, Overmars, every league has good and bad buys.

Robben was the last one of those to leave and that was 6 years ago, RVN before that was 9 (doesn't seem that long ago!). It's a shame that the league has struggled (for whatever reason) in recent years as that list of players is just amazing. The problem now, as you've discovered with Kuyt to some extent, is that scoring loads of goals in in Holland means absolutely nothing.

I'm surprised nobody tried to pick up Suarez last summer though, he looks much better than recent eridiseve (sp?) exports and he'd be a quality addition. Can't help but think that if you've only got that sort of money to spend on a single player it might be better spent on a winger of some description though.

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Robben was the last one of those to leave and that was 6 years ago, RVN before that was 9 (doesn't seem that long ago!). It's a shame that the league has struggled (for whatever reason) in recent years as that list of players is just amazing. The problem now, as you've discovered with Kuyt to some extent, is that scoring loads of goals in in Holland means absolutely nothing.

I'm surprised nobody tried to pick up Suarez last summer though, he looks much better than recent eridiseve (sp?) exports and he'd be a quality addition. Can't help but think that if you've only got that sort of money to spend on a single player it might be better spent on a winger of some description though.

Kuyt is a big game player though, he's struggling now for form thanks to him being knackered and not having players to compensate for his deficiencies. When he went to take the penalty against Everton I was confident he'd slot it away.

I think the issue with the Dutch league is that it's gained this reputation for having technical, tempremental players. Even the class ones like Sneijder and Ibrahimovic took time to really make a mark in Europe. However, at the moment there are quite a few upcoming players who are good with the ball and strong, at least strong enough to leave. It's a question of cycles, right now there are few players you'd take from Italy but I guarantee if someone like Quagliarella were to move to Spain or England he'd be a hit and suddenly Italian players would be in vogue again.

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Kuyt is a big game player though, he's struggling now for form thanks to him being knackered and not having players to compensate for his deficiencies. When he went to take the penalty against Everton I was confident he'd slot it away.

Oh yeah, i'm not criticising him as a player - just that he was banging in goals over there but struggled to really impose himself as a forward here. Just look at the more recent high scoring exports like Kezman and Huntlaar that have also struggled. I think it just shows why teams are wary of high scoring forwards from over there and how it might translate into a stronger league.

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Oh yeah, i'm not criticising him as a player - just that he was banging in goals over there but struggled to really impose himself as a forward here. Just look at the more recent high scoring exports like Kezman and Huntlaar that have also struggled. I think it just shows why teams are wary of high scoring forwards from over there and how it might translate into a stronger league.

Kezman and Huntelaar had question marks over them anyway, they were poachers and I remember thinking "well, if they can adapt to the pace then they'll do well" but they couldn't.

I'm surprised by Drenthe though, I guess his attitude held him back more than his ability.

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Possibly the 'Real Madrid' effect there!

I always thought Huntlaar would do alright, not so much Kezman though - he looked out of his depth within 6 months of being at Chelsea.

I keep hearing you're linked with Arda (sp?) Turan, was there some kind of deal in place or bid made for him?

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Oh yeah, i'm not criticising him as a player - just that he was banging in goals over there but struggled to really impose himself as a forward here. Just look at the more recent high scoring exports like Kezman and Huntlaar that have also struggled. I think it just shows why teams are wary of high scoring forwards from over there and how it might translate into a stronger league.

I see your point, and agree in principle. However, both of the players you've mentioned there (and Kuyt before) were your typical goal-poacher. Suarez scores all kinds of goals and, from what I've seen, is much more involved in the general play. He gets a load of assists, much more than your typical striker. He just seems to have much more to his game than getting onto the end of passes.

[edit] I'm starting to sound like SMD's echo. :lol: I'm trying to post on here during the pauses in a game of Fifa.

Arda's good but I'd prefer a winger with pace, if I'm honest. We're really lacking in that department.

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Shevchenko

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Suraez would be the perfect foil for Torres, and I think he could get the best out of him again. Even though Torres has shown improvement, he still needs better service.

But where do you put Gerrard if you get him? I think you got the best manager to say to Gerrard to be a bit more disciplined in centre midfield, I don't think Rafa or Roy were good at telling him that or just didn't tell him. Let Gerrard go back to his old role. Apparently West Ham want Cole.

And you better off signing N'Zogbia than Downing for £12m. I wouldn't call Downing an improvement on Cole. N'Zogbia would be around the same price, and runs at player, which Liverpool lack from wide areas. His attitude is rubbish, but that can be sorted.

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We've already got a very similar (and superior) player in Torres. We need a different kind of forward; somebody to compliment what we have, rather than more of the same. We've been linked a lot with Luis Suarez (for £18m) recently. I'd be made up with that.

I'd say you're underestimating Torres. He's got everything in his locker and can play support man and target man reasonably well.

I believe his frustration at times past may well have been because he dies have such a hard working and honest ethos that he'll run his arse off for the team and get what...playing up front on his own with no one else who can actually score?

Torres has previously played some delightful passes to set up team mates; they're nearly always midfielders though. You play him up top and get it right and suddenly he'll get more space himself and be more dangerous.

If Suarez is the better player though then I'd be happy with him; I don't think Bent was happy up north (just a guess) so the Villa thing works out for everyone. Let's just hope he stays fit and Villa pick up as we could do with the depth in the England squad.

Suarez looks like he could be good in goal too...

Dutch players; Bergkamp was pretty toilet at Inter yet he was without a shadow of a doubt one of the best players ever to grace the premiership. More natural talent, control, touch than any other Arsenal player ever? Mind you I'm not sure that's saying much?! ;)

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Charliemouse

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1 goal in 22 league games this season tells the story about Crouch.

Also when we play with him we tend to hoof it more and its not even like he is any good at winning headers to be honest.

If we swapped him with a decent striker I honestly believe we would be at least 2nd in the league this season.

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christaylor

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The thing that really used to annoy me when Crouch was at Liverpool was whenever he went up for a header, because he got so ridiculously high up all the refs assumed he was leaning on other players and blew for (non-existent) fouls all the bloody time. You could see the exasperation in his eyes every time it happened.

This probably still happens at Spurs but obv it doesn't bother me now. :)

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