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ras el hanout

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In this day and age we need to find a manager the majority of fans on the internet agree with, it's not like the olden golden days. Already from this thread it's obvious MON wouldn't be given a chance. A couple of bad results and they'd mobilize.

To be honest I honestly think they should bring Benitez back, let him completely destroy the club - I mean relegation and then another relegation. Only then, maybe, will a lot folk accept that he's just been unlucky but it's time for a change. And only then will we ALL be able to get behind a new manager and give him the time he needs.

And you know what? I'm not even joking.

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Kelthink

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But people in this thread haven't been unanimous about bringing Benitez back. I don't think it would be a good move, I think he lacks people skills (which I think is one of Mourinho's key skills to his success).

MON is one of those managers who needs cash, and I doubt we could provide it easily.

Holloway and Coyle are clearly very capable, but I'm not sure if they'd fit for some reason. I'm not sure if they'd want to stay at any team for a long period.

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I can't see how you can say that about Coyle. He left St Johnstone for Burnley a bigger club with more to offer. He then left them for Bolton, and as much as that annoyed Burnley fans it did offer a better chance of success for him. Liverpool would be another step up the ladder for him.

Going for someone like Coyle is a risk. He's done well for a young manager with what he's had to work with, but would he make the step up at a club that demands success? Mind you he's an ex-Bankie so he'd no doubt do an awesome job! :)

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PinkMoon

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MON is one of those managers who needs cash, and I doubt we could provide it easily.

Again with this silly statement; Villa were fucked when he came in. No-one could have done anything with the squad he inherited - it was utter dogshit and needed serious investment. The money spent in his time at Villa was more a reflection on Villa than O'Neill.

Also: given the strength of the current Liverpool squad compared to the likes of United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea (ongoing blip aside) and Spurs, you guys are going to have to spend some serious money to get back into the top four, regardless of who takes the job. There's not a lot of real quality left at Anfield right now - not relative to the teams you want to compete with.

Genuine question: don't NESV have money to spend? I thought they did.

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Genuine question: don't NESV have money to spend? I thought they did.

They probably do, on the right young players. I don't think we're as poor as some think we are.

But as I say, they have to be the right players. It looks like the owners are going into as much detail as they possibly can when it comes to shaping the squad. Which probably doesn't involve Roy's opinion.

By the end of January I can see us having a new manager (possibly a temporary one) and having bought 3-4 players under the age of 25.

Roy's pre-match press conference has been cancelled. His thoughts on Sunday's game are just going to be put on the website instead.

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- I think the transfer policy thing is a complete myth - there have been foreign players in all of his successul teams and he's bought plenty into clubs as well.

It absolutely isn't a myth. Look at his transfer history; the vast, vast majority of his signings had experience in Britain before he bought them. People hold up Ashley Young and Milner as examples of good signings he made - and they are - but they omit the fact that we were in for both of them as well but couldn't or wouldn't match what Villa were prepared to pay. The market he focuses on is over inflated.

- He's never really, properly, had to manage a large *quality* squad - so it's impossible to tell if he could do it or not.

You don't think him only using something mental like 15 of his squad for the majority of a season, and then Villa completely burning out with 3 months of the season remaining is in any way indicative of poor squad management skills?

- His teams play effective football given the players he has. He didn't hide that while he was at Leicester. Saying that, it's complete nonsense to say that's how Villa played under him. There certainly were not a kick and rush team by any means.

We disagree again. I could only describe his Villa side as kick and rush. They didn't have anyone dictating the play from midfield, the closest they had to that was Petrov in CM. All of their threat came from pace down the wings and up front, and I didn't find them to be particularly attractive to watch.

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It absolutely isn't a myth. Look at his transfer history; the vast, vast majority of his signings had experience in Britain before he bought them. People hold up Ashley Young and Milner as examples of good signings he made - and they are - but they omit the fact that we were in for both of them as well but couldn't or wouldn't match what Villa were prepared to pay. The market he focuses on is over inflated.

You don't think him only using something mental like 15 of his squad for the majority of a season, and then Villa completely burning out with 3 months of the season remaining is in any way indicative of poor squad management skills?

We disagree again. I could only describe his Villa side as kick and rush. They didn't have anyone dictating the play from midfield, the closest they had to that was Petrov in CM. All of their threat came from pace down the wings and up front, and I didn't find them to be particularly attractive to watch.

I'll certainly concede that he could have managed squad rotation a little better sometimes - that's my real regret from his spell in charge - but we only really had a small squad for most of the time anyway. He built a very solid first team and I think perhaps clashed with the owners when the time came to replace some of his transitional buys (who were undoubtedly on serious wages) with bigger buys. Nobody really knows for sure though.

Again on the transfers, I think you're being a bit selective. While you 'couldn't or wouldn't' pay the money for Milner, Young (or Barry, for that matter), you were dropping heavy money on the likes of Aquilani, Babel, Johnson. The fullbacks that came in (Dossena and <mental block>) didn't exactly set the world alight either. Whilst I would have loved some foreign flair in the Villa team, a significant number of O'Neill's purchases contributed greatly to carrying us a long way forward. They were known quantities, knew the league and did a job - which seems exactly like what you guys could do with right now.

As for playing style, I think 'kick and rush' is a just a rather bleak way of describing counter-attacking football! We had monsters at the back meaning we could soak up pressure, and pace and power elsewhere in the likes of Milner, Young, Agbonlahor - we could be pretty devastating on our day. I wish I could find the animated .gif someone made of Agbonlahor's goal against Bolton 2 or 3 seasons ago - 7 or 8 one-touch passes from our own corner flag to scoring in front of the Holte - it was absolutely sensational and a joy to watch. And glossing over the contributions of Barry (before England at large decided he was a defensive midfielder) and Milner is harsh - they ran the show.

I appreciate Liverpool fans might want the club to uphold the traditions of the 70s and 80s by dominating games, but I just don't think you can expect to do that these days. A win is a win is a win; I know as well as you do how nice three points would be next weekend.

Anyway, let's revisit this if/when the dead man walking actually walks (or gets pushed) and O'Neill throws his hat into the ring. Apologies for the continued derail... :blush:

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Oh Danny Boy

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Roy was supposed to be an amazing motivator as well but that's not turned out so well. I don't like him because:

- he isn't very likeable

- his transfer policy focuses too heavily on British players

- he doesn't seem to be able to manage a big squad (he doesn't rotate enough)

- his teams play kick and rush football

I don't think he's a bad manager by any means, I just don't think he's right for us.

I've always liked Holloway - as a kid, I got his autograph about 9 times. He's a smashing bloke, his teams are great to watch, and he's got a brilliant sense of humour. I'd have him over O'Neill, but he's not at the top of my list due to the risks he presents.

-Mourhino and Ferguson are not very likable, doesn't stop them form being good managers, so whats your point?

-Houllier focused on French players, Benitez focused on Spanish players, you invest in the players you know best, i don't see the problem

-Our squad has never been big now has it? and its not like we'll ever have to money to attain a squad aka Man City where we can rotate quality players in and out

-You want winning as well as sexy football? we can't be picky in the current situation, at the moment i'll just take winning no matter what and its not like Mourhino's teams play good football, watching his teams play is a good cure for insomnia

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I'll certainly concede that he could have managed squad rotation a little better sometimes - that's my real regret from his spell in charge - but we only really had a small squad for most of the time anyway. He built a very solid first team and I think perhaps clashed with the owners when the time came to replace some of his transitional buys (who were undoubtedly on serious wages) with bigger buys. Nobody really knows for sure though.

Again on the transfers, I think you're being a bit selective. While you 'couldn't or wouldn't' pay the money for Milner, Young (or Barry, for that matter), you were dropping heavy money on the likes of Aquilani, Babel, Johnson. The fullbacks that came in (Dossena and <mental block>) didn't exactly set the world alight either. Whilst I would have loved some foreign flair in the Villa team, a significant number of O'Neill's purchases contributed greatly to carrying us a long way forward. They were known quantities, knew the league and did a job - which seems exactly like what you guys could do with right now.

As for playing style, I think 'kick and rush' is a just a rather bleak way of describing counter-attacking football! We had monsters at the back meaning we could soak up pressure, and pace and power elsewhere in the likes of Milner, Young, Agbonlahor - we could be pretty devastating on our day. I wish I could find the animated .gif someone made of Agbonlahor's goal against Bolton 2 or 3 seasons ago - 7 or 8 one-touch passes from our own corner flag to scoring in front of the Holte - it was absolutely sensational and a joy to watch. And glossing over the contributions of Barry (before England at large decided he was a defensive midfielder) and Milner is harsh - they ran the show.

I appreciate Liverpool fans might want the club to uphold the traditions of the 70s and 80s by dominating games, but I just don't think you can expect to do that these days. A win is a win is a win; I know as well as you do how nice three points would be next weekend.

Anyway, let's revisit this if/when the dead man walking actually walks (or gets pushed) and O'Neill throws his hat into the ring. Apologies for the continued derail... :blush:

i love you dude

i don't understand the MON hate here he's a great manager i'm certain he's the guy to get us back up the table

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Debate O'Neill until the cows come home, but I don't think he can really be described as a 'great manager'. A lot of Liverpool fans that I speak to who hold him in high regard are Irish.

Sean, please remove that link from your post.

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-Mourhino and Ferguson are not very likable, doesn't stop them form being good managers, so whats your point?

He's not Mourinho or Ferguson. Comparing him to those two does your argument no favours. He's almost as much of a twat as those two, and isn't nearly as good. That's my point.

-Houllier focused on French players, Benitez focused on Spanish players, you invest in the players you know best, i don't see the problem

The problem is the market he focuses on is very expensive in comparison to the two you've just compared it to. Torres cost us a little over £20m, what do you think we would have had to pay for him were he English?

-You want winning as well as sexy football? we can't be picky in the current situation, at the moment i'll just take winning no matter what and its not like Mourhino's teams play good football, watching his teams play is a good cure for insomnia

I could accept 'winning no matter what' over sexy football, yes. I think we all could. I don't think that is a realistic proposition at all with O'Neill at the helm. Why on earth you keep mentioning Mourinho's name as if it some how backs up what you're saying I'll never know.

I do think he's a decent manager, I just don't really like him or his style.

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I wouldn't want Martin O'Neill either.

I'd prefer to wait until the end of the season or maybe spend some time courting a high quality manager as opposed to just putting another manager in. I'm hopeful NESV have a 5 year plan and are looking for the right man for the job.

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I wouldn't want Martin O'Neill either.

I'd prefer to wait until the end of the season or maybe spend some time courting a high quality manager as opposed to just putting another manager in. I'm hopeful NESV have a 5 year plan and are looking for the right man for the job.

I think that's what's taking so long in regards to Roy leaving - they're trying to find a quality replacement.

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ras el hanout

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Can somebody remove that link to that paper? I'm pretending to be outraged and I'm shouting about it, although in reality if there was a link to it in any other thread I'd propbably click on it. But in here to show what a great fan I am I'm going on about it like a cretin. I mean it's not like I actually have to tell other Liverpool fans about The Sun and what it has done and yet I feel compelled to bleat about it with the only explantion being in makes me seem like more of a fan.

I was also being serious before, as we know AFTER Roy got appointed and after a few bad results all this stuff about his career win percentages came out, about how he has a small club mentality, about how he's never won anything.

Why doesn't this apply to Coyle? I am genuinely interested.

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