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[Commander Jameson]

And which other player wasn't a poor signing?

[ras el hanout]

no one took the chance on him, he was a huge propect for ages but no one thought he was good enough. even when we signed him i remember a few journalists predicting that he'll flop

Loads of teams wanted him but he didn't want to leave Atletico. United wanted him. But Torres was a great buy. No denying that, but let's not start pining for the horrible football and lack of success under six years of Rafa.

[ras el hanout]

Come on guys, you're defending Rafa by bringing up his net spend, saying he was never going to succeed at Inter because he wasn't given millions and yet you're not offering those excuses for Roy. You guys need to check yourselves.

Roy took over a team that finished 7th. Rafa one that won everything. And yet Rafa's the unlucky fucker whereas Roy's just shit.

Fucking morons.

[Oh Danny Boy]

Loads of teams wanted him but he didn't want to leave Atletico. United wanted him. But Torres was a great buy. No denying that, but let's not start pining for the horrible football and lack of success under six years of Rafa.

putting the last 20 years into consideration, two champions league finals, one champions league trophy, an FA cup, and a 2nd place finish was nothing short of a successful tenure. Apart from the last season under Rafa in Europe we looked unbeatable, there hasn't been a time since the 80's when there has been a liverpool team that could sweep the whole of Europe aside. We could play Barca and i'll be confident that Rafa would come on top. Liverpool would have probably won that trophy again if they didn't have to continously face Chelsea in the latter stages Its going to be a while till we have the ability to be so dominant in Europe again

Lack of success? your having a laugh

[JLR]

Lads, lads. Rafa was a cunt and a shit manager. Get over it.

He left you with a squad full of retards, yet half of you still suck his little chubber.

[Ryan]

Rafa spent a lot of money trying to fill the hole on the left wing, and it never paid off. Had the owners been able to fund him for one decent player (i.e. Silva) he'd not have wasted the cash buying second rate players.

For me his mistakes were Keane, Aquilani and actually paying 18 million for Glen Johnson. Though I'd argue that Keane wasn't exactly his fault - he kinda fell to pieces as a player just as Liverpool signed him. Before then he was pure quality. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Aquilani was signed more out of spite from having Alonso sold from under his nose and the treatment from Hicks / Gillett than it was any other reason.

[Guest]

Rafa spent a lot of money trying to fill the hole on the left wing, and it never paid off. Had the owners been able to fund him for one decent player (i.e. Silva) he'd not have wasted the cash buying second rate players.

For me his mistakes were Keane, Aquilani and actually paying 18 million for Glen Johnson. Though I'd argue that Keane wasn't exactly his fault - he kinda fell to pieces as a player just as Liverpool signed him. Before then he was pure quality. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Aquilani was signed more out of spite from having Alonso sold from under his nose and the treatment from Hicks / Gillett than it was any other reason.

Aye but did Rafa not alienate Alonso himself by moaning at the player for missing a match to attend his child's birth and also try to flog him to Juventus?

[dogsout]

So good they went down. Jesus.

I think Hodgson is on borrowed time at Liverpool and I kinda hope he goes, if just for his own sake as he looks knackered and miserable. However, this bizarre blinkered view of Benitez that some of you guys have is just amazing.

You're a fine one to talk about blinkered; all you do is slag the guy off. It seems he's a bit marmite and I really don't care enough to go through the load of shite that has been posted in here of late in an attempt to expose ridiculous opinions. But I'll drop in a Rafa-esque fact sheet:

- Hodgson has done a shit job.

- He has signed shit players on big wages, with fuck all resale value.

- He is far more negative than Rafa ever was.

- He talks far more shit than Rafa ever did.

- He is being given an easy ride for doing a shit job.

I don't want Rafa back so don't try to discredit what I'm saying by calling me a Rafa lover or something.

All of you supposed neutrals that love to come in here and tell us all where our club is going wrong all the time, all of you, just fuck off. You're talking about things that you don't understand. You're probably exposed to 5% of the information that we are, given that we are the ones that watch/go to all the games, read/listen to the interviews and articles, and all the rest. It really irks me when you prats come in here and chime out the recycled ramblings of Andy Gray and chums, as if you are in anyway clued up about what's going on. I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but you should post with some bloody discretion because the ignorance on display is astounding at times. We are the ones that care what happens to the club. If we were relegated this season you pricks would be in here loling it up and blaming it all on the impossible task Rafa left behind for Roy.

The team needs a reboot. Bring in a new guy with a vision, that tries to play with style, and ship out absolutely any player that doesn't fit into said vision.

[Commander Jameson]

We only got Johnson because Pompey owed us money. I doubt we would have paid that amount in cash without that offset. Even then, what was the expected price for the England right-back?

[Commander Jameson]

You're a fine one to talk about blinkered; all you do is slag the guy off. It seems he's a bit marmite and I really don't care enough to go through the load of shite that has been posted in here of late in an attempt to expose ridiculous opinions. But I'll drop in a Rafa-esque fact sheet:

- Hodgson has done a shit job.

- He has signed shit players on big wages, with fuck all resale value.

- He is far more negative than Rafa ever was.

- He talks far more shit than Rafa ever did.

- He is being given an easy ride for doing a shit job.

All of you supposed neutrals that love to come in here and tell us all where our club is going wrong all the time, all of you, just fuck off. You're talking about things that you don't understand. You're probably exposed to 5% of the information that we are, given that we are the ones that watch/go to all the games, read/listen to the interviews and articles, and all the rest. It really irks me when you prats come in here and chime out the recycled ramblings of Andy Gray and chums, as if you are in anyway clued up about what's going on. I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but you should post with some bloody discretion because the ignorance on display is astounding at times. We are the ones that care what happens to the club. If we were relegated this season you pricks would be in here loling it up and blaming it all on the impossible task Rafa left behind for Roy.

The team needs a reboot. Bring in a new guy with a vision, that tries to play with style and ship out absolutely any player that doesn't fit into said vision.

Fan-freaking-tastic!

[Oh Danny Boy]

Rafa spent a lot of money trying to fill the hole on the left wing, and it never paid off. Had the owners been able to fund him for one decent player (i.e. Silva) he'd not have wasted the cash buying second rate players.

For me his mistakes were Keane, Aquilani and actually paying 18 million for Glen Johnson. Though I'd argue that Keane wasn't exactly his fault - he kinda fell to pieces as a player just as Liverpool signed him. Before then he was pure quality. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Aquilani was signed more out of spite from having Alonso sold from under his nose and the treatment from Hicks / Gillett than it was any other reason.

but even then half of Johnson's fee was written off debt and Aquilani was only £4m upfront the rest relying on instalments, Aquilani wasn't the best replacemnet for Alonso it was just there was no money to pay u0pfront for someone better.

And wasn't Keane a Parry buy? that was what started the detoriation of the relationship between him and Rafa. Rafa being pissed that the club wouldn't sanction £20m for Barry but went and spent the same amount on Keane. Its why Benitez never seemed to trust Keane and got rid as soon as possible

[The Fox]

So good they went down. Jesus.

I think Hodgson is on borrowed time at Liverpool and I kinda hope he goes, if just for his own sake as he looks knackered and miserable. However, this bizarre blinkered view of Benitez that some of you guys have is just amazing.

Coyle left way before the end of the season, so you can hardly blame their relegation on his managerial abilities. Better to look at how he's got Bolton playing.

[Rocafella]

We only got Johnson because Pompey owed us money. I doubt we would have paid that amount in cash without that offset. Even then, what was the expected price for the England right-back?

Is that really your justification for Rafa pissing money down the pan on Johnson? Ah well, other clubs are spunking money on English players, so I may as well get in on the act.

[Shimmyhill]

What the hell has happened to Torres this season? Doesn't seem to have the same desire and hunger he had in the last few seasons. Even when he wasn't scoring then, he would chase down defenders and close them down.

Hodgson.

Torres wants to go, as the crowd pointed out to him with a catchy song.

My mate is a big Liverdull fan and even he faced with spending the transfer kitty on sacking Hodgson would prefer to let Torres go before he is worthless and let Hodgson have a go with some money in January.

Cant see you getting the 8/9 players you need tho..

[Commander Jameson]

Is that really your justification for Rafa pissing money down the pan on Johnson? Ah well, other clubs are spunking money on English players, so I may as well get in on the act.

No. It's an explanation as to why we bought him. I love it that Benitez gets panned for buying a load of foreigners then gets panned for buying England's right back. Amazing stuff.

BTW, still waiting to hear which other player of Benitez's purchases wasn't shit...

[sprite]

No. It's an explanation as to why we bought him. I love it that Benitez gets panned for buying a load of foreigners then gets panned for buying England's right back. Amazing stuff.

BTW, still waiting to hear which other player of Benitez's purchases wasn't shit...

Garcia! But he also left under Benitez

[Commander Jameson]

Garcia! But he also left under Benitez

I miss Lil Luis.

[Oh Danny Boy]

Garcia! But he also left under Benitez

left but not forgotten

i still have a super man crush on him

Garcia :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

[Oh Danny Boy]

I miss Lil Luis.

my favourite Garcia moment

[Oh Danny Boy]

Lads, lads. Rafa was a cunt and a shit manager. Get over it.

He left you with a squad full of retards, yet half of you still suck his little chubber.

There just ain't enough negs in the world...

[El Pibe]

Coyle left way before the end of the season, so you can hardly blame their relegation on his managerial abilities. Better to look at how he's got Bolton playing.

Coyle is doing a great job at Bolton and, if I was a Liverpool fan, I'd be very interested in getting him in to replace Roy.

Bolton are playing some lovely stuff.

[Rocafella]

No. It's an explanation as to why we bought him. I love it that Benitez gets panned for buying a load of foreigners then gets panned for buying England's right back. Amazing stuff.

BTW, still waiting to hear which other player of Benitez's purchases wasn't shit...

No, Wenger was the one who got panned for buying foreigners and me as an Arsenal fan, couldn't give a toss if it keeps us playing good football, with talented players instead of pandering to the media and wasting £15 odd million on an overrated right back, just because of his passport.

If you're referring to Torres, I've already been over him. The list of flops is far greater than the list of successes under Rafa.

[Commander Jameson]

No, Wenger was the one who got panned for buying foreigners and me as an Arsenal fan, couldn't give a toss if it keeps us playing good football, with talented players instead of pandering to the media and wasting £15 odd million on an overrated right back, just because of his passport.

If you're referring to Torres, I've already been over him. The list of flops is far greater than the list of successes under Rafa.

Nice avoiding. Bravo. There is an Arsenal thread somewhere. You should post there.

[El Pibe]

You're a fine one to talk about blinkered; all you do is slag the guy off.

Hmmmm that's not really true. I'm not his biggest fan but I've defended Roy more than slated Benitez. As it is, I agree now that Roy should go now as it just doesn't seem to be working.

That said, I'm not sure the new owners will sack him, at least not before the end of the season. They don't sound like the type that chop and change.

[Rocafella]

Nice avoiding. Bravo. There is an Arsenal thread somewhere. You should post there.

Avoiding what? Name said player. I asked you if it was Torres. If it isn't, then just say who you're on about. The bottom line is once Rafa had built a team of players who he was more or less soley responsible for, you started heading south and he couldn't do anything to stop it. Hodgson hasn't been given the time to do so, nor do I expect him to be in all honesty. I don't expect anybody they replace him with to either, as they won't have the luxury of a Gerrard in his prime or a fully fit and confident Torres either. You're going to spend the next few years yet challenging for the Europa league at best, whoever you have in charge.

[Oh Danny Boy]

a lot of Arsenal fans seem to talk arse

[Commander Jameson]

a lot of Arsenal fans seem to talk arse

Just the one, it seems. Never mind. Troll on ignore.

[dogsout]

That said, I'm not sure the new owners will sack him, at least not before the end of the season. They don't sound like the type that chop and change.

I reckon you're probably right.

[Rocafella]

a lot of Arsenal fans seem to talk arse

If you win your game in hand, you will go 8th. Where do you realistically think Liverpool should be sitting in the table? Genuine question.

[Dom B]

If you win your game in hand, you will go 8th. Where do you realistically think Liverpool should be sitting in the table? Genuine question.

Well, the 'shite squad' that Rafa left finished 7th last season. The way we're currently playing I'd be fucking delighted with that.