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bradigor

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Nice column from Scouser in Exile (I think?). Good to see Lucas getting some recognition.

My linkhttp://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/why-i-envy-john-and-linda

Not Scouser In Exile.

I know the lad (IRL, also posts as L6 Red & Kristian on RAWK)

Edit: Actually, an early column of his was under that name wasn't it. I meant it isn't the same guy who posts here.

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Dandy_Sephy

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It's true isn't it? I mean what can you argue with there? I'm prepared to give a manager time. That makes me a better supporter doesn't it. The very worst kind of supporter would be calling for a manager's head after a few games.

You call me for wanting Benitez out after 3 and a half seasons. I never made up any lies about Benitez.

And yet you want Hodgson out after ten games.

I mean come on, your brain is surely sufficiently powerful to tell you that this is fucked?

Well first off it's the level of hypocrisy. You want to give Hodgson time, but you never gave Rafa the benefit of the doubt to turn things around and called for him at the first sign of problems. Second of all, having a different opinion does not and will never make you a better supporter. That you actually felt compelled to call yourself a better supporter smacks of arrogance that your viewpoint is somehow more important or more "correct" then someone elses. It's not, it's just different. Football has so many variables it's simple not possible to reliably predict what will happen if a manager stays or goes. Hodgson could get us the league title within 3 years or he could get us relegated by the end of the season. The same applied to Rafa

I'm not even that vocal about wanting Hodgson out, so I've no idea why you've decided to put words in my mouth, but at the same time it's clear that he's not bringing the sweeping improvements you seemed to think were going to happen as soon as Rafa was out. Not a huge amount has changed this season from the last one. We are still mid table. Still playing below par, and still seemingly unable to go more than a couple of games without falling apart. No amount of claiming to be a superior fan or being stuck in a loop criticising a manger who hasn't been at the club for 5 months will change that

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Takizawa

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Really? Chanting for Kenny? Calling for the manager's head. That is the bulk of what I can see and hear.

I guess that is the most obvious, yes. Maybe i'm wrong, but within my circle of friends (about 8 of whom are Liverool fans), we all share the opinion that things arent perfect, but are willing to give the manager time, he deserves a chance.

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bradigor

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I guess that is the most obvious, yes. Maybe i'm wrong, but within my circle of friends (about 8 of whom are Liverool fans), we all share the opinion that things arent perfect, but are willing to give the manager time, he deserves a chance.

I wish I knew more like that. Most the ones I know are the total opposite. :(

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ras el hanout

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Well first off it's the level of hypocrisy. You want to give Hodgson time, but you never gave Rafa the benefit of the doubt to turn things around and called for him at the first sign of problems. Second of all, having a different opinion does not and will never make you a better supporter. That you actually felt compelled to call yourself a better supporter smacks of arrogance that your viewpoint is somehow more important or more "correct" then someone elses. It's not, it's just different. Football has so many variables it's simple not possible to reliably predict what will happen if a manager stays or goes. Hodgson could get us the league title within 3 years or he could get us relegated by the end of the season. The same applied to Rafa

I'm not even that vocal about wanting Hodgson out, so I've no idea why you've decided to put words in my mouth, but at the same time it's clear that he's not bringing the sweeping improvements you seemed to think were going to happen as soon as Rafa was out. Not a huge amount has changed this season from the last one. We are still mid table. Still playing below par, and still seemingly unable to go more than a couple of games without falling apart. No amount of claiming to be a superior fan or being stuck in a loop criticising a manger who hasn't been at the club for 5 months will change that

There's no hypocrisy. I fully supported Rafa for 3 and a bit seasons. Maybe it was four. You say Roy could win the league in three, well Rafa didn't, he didn't come close.

I really did think we'd see more improvement by now. But you know what I didn't expect? I didn't expect chants for him to be replaced a few games into the season. How the fuck is he supposed to work under that? I never chanted at the ground for Rafa to be replaced. So I'm ashamed of our fans and that's why I get so damned steamed up. I don't know your exact position and this isn't personal. It's not really aimed at people in this thread, it's for all fans. They need to fucking wise up. And I do have a go at SMD because he's the most poisonous of all fans, it's not that I don't agree with him, it's the fact he goes around spreading lies. really bad lies.

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AbZorba

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Not Scouser In Exile.

I know the lad (IRL, also posts as L6 Red & Kristian on RAWK)

Edit: Actually, an early column of his was under that name wasn't it. I meant it isn't the same guy who posts here.

Ta - hadn't crossed my mind that there might actually be more than one Exiled Scouser!

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Dandy_Sephy

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You say Roy could win the league in three, well Rafa didn't, he didn't come close.

I meant from the point the manager was changed rather than "first three years at the club". Rafa didn't come close to winning the league in 3 years, but he was only four points off in his 5th. Our best club performance in 18 years.

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Dandy_Sephy

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Anyway, enough about the past. If a manager wants to retain his employment at a club, it's only reasonable to expect that he should demonstrate something that suggests he is either keeping the club at the level that is expected of it, or preferably show that it is either improving noticeably or will do in the future. Currently Hodgson hasn't demonstrated that he has done so in a consistent manner (in the league) although games like Chelsea have done him favours.

Should he be given time? The owners seem to think so, so he's not in immediate danger. It's down to Hodgson to show his managing of the club is to its benefit, so if he can't do that, than it's not unreasonable to suggest he's not the man for the job. The amount of time he is given will depend on the results. If Hodgson gets sacked in the new year after a run of bad games, I don't think it's totally unreasonable but it depends on the situation. No one expects him to do the job in one season, but at the same time he will be expected to get us out of the problems we are in and keep us in a good place. NESV don't seem the type to try and replace him overnight, I doubt they are going to be sneaking around and courting other managers.

The criticism aimed at Hodgson aren't even all about the results.For example slagging off Johnson is hardly the way to proceed in giving the squad it's motivation back, and certainly not a way of encouraging a player who has had injury problems. His pre/post game Tv interviews show that Hodgson is clearly an intelligent manager in as far as saying what needs to be done goes, but he doesn't seem to be doing a great job of motivating players who lets be fair, are not awful - even if some are fairly criticised for not pulling their weight. With the squad we have, there should be more games like Chelsea and less games like Wigan. Much of that is tactics.

It's not like Hodgson is being criticised for no reason, there are plenty of complaints that can be levelled at him. It's up to him to prove his critics wrong, something he hasn't done. Barring a major disaster he'll be given the rest of the season at the very least, but if he underpeforms, it's entirely reasonable to question his place at the club (note: not the same as asking him to be sacked)

Ramone, it's obvious that you are a passionate supporter, who on occasion does come out with perfectly good sense. However it's hard to take you seriously sometimes with all the ranting and raving you do. Any chance you can just stop talking about Rafa and stop getting into silly arguments with others about it? (i.e. ignore SMD's Rafa comments if you have to) The thread will be a much better place and some of us may give you a bit more credibility :hat:

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ras el hanout

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The criticism aimed at Hodgson aren't even all about the results.For example slagging off Johnson is hardly the way to proceed in giving the squad it's motivation back, and certainly not a way of encouraging a player who has had injury problems. His pre/post game Tv interviews show that Hodgson is clearly an intelligent manager in as far as saying what needs to be done goes, but he doesn't seem to be doing a great job of motivating players who lets be fair, are not awful - even if some are fairly criticised for not pulling their weight. With the squad we have, there should be more games like Chelsea and less games like Wigan. Much of that is tactics.

See I think Roy's intelligent to know what he's doing with his comments about Johnson. What if Johnson comes back super awesome? You simply can't say that that is a mistake so far.

Tactics I'd give him a break on, he's clearly not telling the players to go out and be rubbish. Something isn't working. Maybe he hasn't the players he needs but you could understand that imposing his tactics could take time.

He doesn't seem to be doing a very good motivating the players. This is true and the real worry.

But honestly I think the fans have made up their mind and they're not having him and I don't think it's rational or fair or the Liverpool way but whatever the reason it's happened and they may as well replace him now.

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Gabe

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I think it's fair comment to say that Roy's man-management skills haven't been very well demonstrated in some of the interviews he's done; the thing about the Johnson comments that I find puzzling is this bit:

"You would have to ask him the question: 'Do you think you're playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?' If he says yes obviously we will have to agree to differ and if he says no, then you'd have to ask the question: 'Why not?'"

I'd like to ask if Roy has asked the question? Doesn't seem like it, does it (else he'd have an answer and wouldn't have to go public)?

I can't recall Fergie/Mourinho/Wenger so openly-criticising their players - that certainly isn't the Liverpool way, is it?

In other respects he does need time, and the January transfer window will be interesting. As I've said before, we need some pace on the wings if he wants to set us up deep, and by his own admission on Saturday he said we are lacking up front so I'd expect to see someone brought in to help lift some of the pressure on Ngog. I imagine we may need to offload some deadwood too, so who can you see going?

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ras el hanout

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Mourinho's definitely criticized players, probably the others too. But I think Roy is as much calling him the BEST RIGHT BACK IN THE COUNTRY. Sounds as much like a call to arms. AND It's kinda looking for things to pick on if you ask me. Not just you, I've seen this comment picked up by a lot of people as something else terrible Roy has said.

I don't see it myself.

Roy has said some things that I don't think he should have, this isn't one of them.

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Mourinho's definitely criticized players, probably the others too. But I think Roy is as much calling him the BEST RIGHT BACK IN THE COUNTRY. Sounds as much like a call to arms. AND It's kinda looking for things to pick on if you ask me. Not just you, I've seen this comment picked up by a lot of people as something else terrible Roy has said.

I don't see it myself.

Roy has said some things that I don't think he should have, this isn't one of them.

Yeah, maybe I am seeing things there that aren't, though that is because of previous things he has done and said - I admit that whenever I see/read something from him I almost expect a face-palm moment.

That said, whilst I don't think anybody would disagree that Johnson has been bloody terrible I'm still not sure this is the best way to get him playing better; to me as an observer he seems to be the type of person that needs a bit of an arm-on-shoulder approach. Still, I do hope it does get him playing better though as we could use any kind of penetration down the flanks.

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V3zna

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Highly rated youngster Dani Pacheco is the latest player to become disgruntled with life at Liverpool under Roy Hodgson, and wants out of the club according to Spanish football correspondent Guillem Balague.

Pacheco, 19, has been frozen out by Hodgson since the League Cup defeat to Northampton and has featured just once in the Premier League – as a sub in the defeat to Man City.

Pacheco was one of the stars of last summer’s European under-19 championship, finishing as the tournament’s top scorer. He is shortlisted for the European ‘Golden Boy’ award organised by Italian newspaper Tuttosport.

He was rewarded with a new contract and given squad number 12 ahead of the season, raising hopes of more involvement in the first team. He also qualifies as a homegrown player.

However, those opportunities haven’t been forthcoming and when he has featured it has been in the unfamiliar role on the right of midfield.

Balague reports that Real Sociedad had wanted to take Pacheco on loan last summer and that he now wishes to leave the club.

Pacheco, a graduate of Barcelona’s academy, has been maligned under Hodgson’s reign along with fellow players Daniel Agger and Glen Johnson. Reports suggest fellow Spaniards Pepe Reina and Fernando Torres are highly deluded by life under Hodgson.

Owner John W. Henry recently backed Hodgson to remain as Liverpool manager, despite the large majority of supporters being highly against such a decision. Henry has signaled an intent to build with youth – losing one of Europe’s top youngsters would be a bad start to such a strategy.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2010/11/pacheco-wants-out/

In other news Aquilani has been tearing it up for Juve this season and starts for Italy tomorrow night.

For fucks sake NESV / Fenway do something sooner rather than later. <_<

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SMD

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We lose, I don't post here and I still get ramone banging on about me :lol:

Oh by the way, that was our first loss to Stoke in 26 years. I'm bored of talking about Hodgson, Rafa and whatever. I've made my opinions clear and it's obvious to me and to everyone in the ground what the problem is.

Brad, I get your point but as I said on RAWK, Hodgson was hired under one set of circumstances, which have now changed. With the Financial Fair Play rules kicking in soon, every transfer window from now on is crucial. If Comolli is in charge of signings, he needs to work with someone who will get the best out of those players. Hodgson's treatment of Meireles, Lucas, Johnson, etc makes me very worried. And while it's great that he's giving young English players a chance, what about Insua and Pacheco?

I'm going to try and go to the West Ham match this weekend. I really hope we perform like we did in the last 30 minutes against Napoli and first 60 minutes against Chelsea.

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V3zna

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I thought he was gone on a season long loan and they had the option to buy him afterwards?

Wouldn't mind seeing him come back in January though, my fantasy league team needs him.

Hagi has taken over at Galatasary and wants no loan players in his squad for some reason.

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So Gerrard out for 3/4 weeks with Hamstring :facepalm:

:lol:

It's a good test. This could have happened at any point. If the rest can't step up and we rely on just the one player then we're shot. I said shot.

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The whole Gerrard-injured thing. I can see both sides; kind of...

The was an agreement in place. For Capello to turn around and say "The club cannot dictate what we do with the players" seems fine on the surface; but not if you've agreed something. This could well result in the next time that there's an England friendly, Gerrard will "have a knock" [do a Giggs] and just won't turn up.

Effectively it feels like Liverpool were lied to. Why shouldn't they feel like that, because that's exactly what it does feel like.

Capello's defence was "Barry was injured so the plan changed"; making it sound like there were not any subs left. And yet Crouch came on for Gerrard in the 84th minute; and didn't we look good from that point on actually?

So; Capello has agreed something, then gone back on it. This is going to piss the club off; he's lied. Then he's said that he had "no other choice" except he did, because eventually Crouch came on for Gerrard anyway.

He made the choice not to honour something he had agreed to, and I'm sure at no point in this agreement did he say "Well if he has to stay on I won't honour this agreement, haha!"

A good point on Football Weekly too. Henderson is not a defensive midfielder and yet Capello played him there. No wonder we got over run, poor lad.

Capello; not impressing - although I do feel kind of sorry for him because at least he is playing new people (although not in the right positions as we've seen above!)

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