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[glb]

didn't see the game but stoke away is a very hard game, one of the hardest in the league. were liverpool that bad?

No question Stoke away is a hard game but we offered no counter to their strengths. Shambolic defending, no cohesion in midfield to allow us any kind of relief from their pressure and toothless upfront. Apart from that we played quite well.

[Jamin]

Were liverpool that bad?

Put it this way: they could be still playing now and we still wouldn't have scored.

[Guest]

Bit of a shame that. For all Lucas' supposed brilliance, and that he never gives the ball away; boy does he give away good ones.

Gerrard should probably have scored or set up that bar-hit.

The win would have taken us to 5th too...

He misplaced 3 passes out of 35 attempts in 90 minutes. Meireles managed to misplace 5 out of 19 attempts in the first half alone. Gerrard weighed in with 12 failures out of 51 attempts. He broke down more attacks than the rest of our midfielders as well. I don't see the point in singling him out for criticism when he was far from our worst player, and the team performed poorly as a unit.

I'm surprised that the people that used to moan about Rafa's negative tactics (and I was one of them, on occasion), particularly away from home, aren't in here jumping up and down about the way we set up. We stood off them and invited them onto us. We're short of a target man and pace on the wings, and until we have them, those tactics will not work.

Easy there.

I'd say the importance of a misplaced pass is right up there. Gerrard has always had a thing for giving away the ball in his own half.

I pointed out an awful pass that Lucas gave up that should have resulted in a goal to the opposition. We didn't win the game, we could have lost it.

Clearly there's still work to be done with Lucas.

Lucas, sent off. Whatever we may say about him he still needs to improve.

Gerrard. As he often does (and as I've mentioned so many times) he gives the ball away with one of his "clever" passes; and what happens when he does? He trots slowly towards the guy who ends up with it, Gerrard doesn't bust a gut to get there. Easy pass into Jones for the finish. Had Gerrard flown in there and closed down quicker he could have prevented that. Which you'd expect after giving the ball away. Imagine the rollicking he'd give someone else who'd done that. Good work Captain.

In other news whats with that defending in the box? It's foul after foul. Really very poor.

[Chewylegs]

I missed the game as I was playing a rare Fifa tournament with some mates, but how was our defending? I see we went back to Carra on the right. why? Surely it just meant we had no pace at the back at all? We seem to have traded one defensive, revert to type manager for another!

[Guest]

The first goal was a scrambled embarrassment, however the real issue was that we didn't seem to really want to push on and take the game to them.

[Gabe]

We improve on last year's result and people moan. We lost away to Wigan last season.

I've only highlighted this comment as you mentioned it 3 times in relation to the Wigan game; presumably as this result was worse than last season we *are* allowed to moan with your approval now?

Anyway, another terrible away performance; toothless up front, no pace, no width - all problems we've had for far too long now. The next 5 games aren't going to be easy and I have no idea what a good return points-wise would be: West Ham, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle and Fulham - I'd be very happy with 3 wins and a couple of draws though. Too unrealistic?

[DeNeo]

The next 5 games aren't going to be easy and I have no idea what a good return points-wise would be: West Ham, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle and Fulham - I'd be very happy with 3 wins and a couple of draws though. Too unrealistic?

Probably. We'll lose to West Ham, turn the corner and beat Spurs, go back down the alley and lose to Villa, scuttle sideways and draw against Newcastle, before arriving in Relegation Road with a heavy loss to Fulham.

[V3zna]

Can we sack Bodgson yet?

Some of us did request this some time ago.

Although alledgedly he has some sort of formal meeting with NESV this week it's also a fact that he was at the Auxerre match last night. That could only have been a scouting mission.

[ras el hanout]

I was thinking guys, you know 'fans' are calling for Dalglish. I was wondering what people would think if it came out that Dalglish was partly responsible for the sacking of Rafa. Would any of you think worse of Dalglish? I think it would be unlikely that Dalglish's opinion of Rafa wasn't sought.

Oh man Rafa's really doing a horrible job at Inter.

SMD, do you think Rafa should be given more time at Inter? I don't. He's taken a great team and made them worse.

We're still not far off 4th. We always lose at Stoke.

Personally I think that Roy should be replaced. Not because I don't think he could turn it around, but because our fans are shit. He's never going to turn around the morons who want him out, if he does well it will be because of something else, if he does badly it's all down to him. So I hope Roy leaves. We're basically fucked. Rafa spent all the money and left a poor squad. Or dickehead fans think we should win every game. It's all over.

[rjpageuk]

We always lose at Stoke.

Maybe you would like to tell us the last time we lost to Stoke?

There is no point comparing individual fixtures in this manner. Arguing against Hodgson by saying we got a better result last season is as stupid as arguing for him by saying we got a better result (Wigan).

You only need to look at the team performances to see we are playing a lot worse than even last year which was a disaster. Thats the problem.

[ras el hanout]

Some games we're playing worse.

[rjpageuk]

Some games we're playing worse.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any we are playing better in (unfortunately I missed the Chelsea game, but I guess that may be the one standout example?)

Away to Wigan last season was one of our most inept performances, but even in that we had considerably more possession, more shots, and more corners than we had in our draw to Wigan this year.

[ras el hanout]

But seriously. Smd wants rafa back. Rafa's doing a terrible job at inter. So rafa must be shit?

See, until a lot of ours fans accept rafa was bad then we can't go forward. Rafa was bad here, he's bad in Italy. And he's left the club in a bit of a mess. We should accept we might have to take a step back to move forward.

But our fans are so fucking stupid.

And we're not far off 4th.

[ras el hanout]

I think you would be hard pressed to find any we are playing better in.

Away to Wigan last season was one of our most inept performances, but even in that we had considerably more possession, more shots, and more corners than we had in our draw to Wigan this year.

wow more shots and more corners. You get points for those.

Who do you want as manager?

[rjpageuk]

Who do you want as manager?

I have already told you in this thread the last time you had this pointless discussion: Hodgson.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make now. I couldnt care less if SMD wants us to have kept Rafa. I dont care if you think "our fans" cant accept Rafa was bad. I think it is irrelevant.

If anyone in this thread it is you who seems to be obsessed by Rafa.

[Dandy_Sephy]

If anyone in this thread it is you who seems to be obsessed by Rafa.

This. I'm sick and fucking tired that every time I come into this thread and a specific game or story isn't being discussed, everything has to revolve around Ramone and his grade A bullshit stirring, almost entirely around Rafa and usually trolling at SMD. It's absolutely ridiculous. Ramone, please piss off to RAWK and leave us in peace instead of insisting on maintaining this air of superiority (or openly slagging the fans off) against anyone who disagrees with you.

[ras el hanout]

I have already told you in this thread the last time you had this pointless discussion: Hodgson.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make now. I couldnt care less if SMD wants us to have kept Rafa. I dont care if you think "our fans" cant accept Rafa was bad. I think it is irrelevant.

If anyone in this thread it is you who seems to be obsessed by Rafa.

do you accept rafa was bad? Do you think he should be sacked at inter?

Rafa is very relevant. Because his successor was either taking over a good thing or a total shambles. If you accept rafa left behind a disaster then you would treat the performance of the guy who has to pick up the mess differently. However if you think rafa left behind brilliance you're gonna groan if the guy who follows dies a worse job.

See if rafa had taken over inter from somebody who left it in a mess he'd actually be doing a good job.

Do you see?

Of course Roy isn't doing a great job at the moment. But Liverpool fans are patient. Ha!

[ras el hanout]

This. I'm sick and fucking tired that every time I come into this thread and a specific game or story isn't being discussed, everything has to revolve around Ramone and his grade A bullshit stirring, almost entirely around Rafa and usually trolling at SMD. It's absolutely ridiculous. Ramone, please piss off to RAWK and leave us in peace instead of insisting on maintaining this air of superiority (or openly slagging the fans off) against anyone who disagrees with you.

sorry for defending liverpool's manager. I am a bad person.

Hodgson out!

You fucking plank. Only messing you're one of the good guys.

[ras el hanout]

Where was this attitude previously, when we had a manager who actually earned his support through giving us trophies

I supported him fully for 3 seasons. Why do you ask? Only a fucking retard would write a manager off in less than half a season. Especially if he'd taken over a mess.

Hmm he deleted it.

[Dandy_Sephy]

How long did it take you to write that reply seeing as I deleted the original about 5 minutes ago because I can't be arsed to get into an arguement?

[ras el hanout]

Took about 20 seconds. I'm a pretty fast typer. Too fast sometimes. I lack accuracy.

But yeah the point was I support our manager. I am patient too. Which ever way you slice it I'm a better fan than you. I'm also cleverer. I saw Rafa wasn't the right man before anybody else. If he'd been sacked when I suggested we'd be in a far stronger position. But no, our fans marched to keep him and we kept him and he nearly took us down the toilet. Our fans blamed the Americans.

Do the Americans own Inter Milan too because he's doing the same job there.

So let's accept Roy's taken over a bit of a mess. Let's give him some time. Let's give him a season.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Which ever way you slice it I'm a better fan than you.

Fucking hell

[bradigor]

Let's give him some time. Let's give him a season.

As I clear a path through the rest of a Ramone post. This part actually stands out. I personally believe that if we were to sack our manager NOW, we start down a long road of being Newcastle United. Seriously, giving a manager less then half a season when we know success isn't instant. Roy may be the wrong man for the job, but you cannot get rid of the man after 20 games (all comps) of a season especially when the two thirds of that time he had the elephant in the room with the boardroom shite.

Give him the season and see how we have done by then, but to sack the man now, no matter how you feel about him* is utter bullshit in my opinion.

*I do admit I was wrong to think he was the man to do the job.

[bear]

Surely its impossible to say that Liverpool would have been better off if they sacked Rafa sooner as we don't know who would have replaced him?

[ras el hanout]

Fucking hell

It's true isn't it? I mean what can you argue with there? I'm prepared to give a manager time. That makes me a better supporter doesn't it. The very worst kind of supporter would be calling for a manager's head after a few games.

You call me for wanting Benitez out after 3 and a half seasons. I never made up any lies about Benitez.

And yet you want Hodgson out after ten games.

I mean come on, your brain is surely sufficiently powerful to tell you that this is fucked?

Again though I think Hodgson should go. Let the likes of you have your Pelligrini. Then when he does as Rafa did and totally fails to come to grips with the Premiership, then you might just think "Let's have some patience with the next guy even if he's never won La Liga before." Then we can move on. Until then keep booing at our manager.

[Takizawa]

As I clear a path through the rest of a Ramone post. This part actually stands out. I personally believe that if we were to sack our manager NOW, we start down a long road of being Newcastle United. Seriously, giving a manager less then half a season when we know success isn't instant. Roy may be the wrong man for the job, but you cannot get rid of the man after 20 games (all comps) of a season especially when the two thirds of that time he had the elephant in the room with the boardroom shite.

I think this is how most of us feel.

[ras el hanout]

Surely its impossible to say that Liverpool would have been better off if they sacked Rafa sooner as we don't know who would have replaced him?

Well the squad was stronger.

[bradigor]

I think this is how most of us feel.

Really? Chanting for Kenny? Calling for the manager's head. That is the bulk of what I can see and hear.

[AbZorba]

Nice column from Scouser in Exile (I think?). Good to see Lucas getting some recognition.

My linkhttp://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/why-i-envy-john-and-linda

[ras el hanout]

As I clear a path through the rest of a Ramone post. This part actually stands out. I personally believe that if we were to sack our manager NOW, we start down a long road of being Newcastle United. Seriously, giving a manager less then half a season when we know success isn't instant. Roy may be the wrong man for the job, but you cannot get rid of the man after 20 games (all comps) of a season especially when the two thirds of that time he had the elephant in the room with the boardroom shite.

Give him the season and see how we have done by then, but to sack the man now, no matter how you feel about him* is utter bullshit in my opinion.

*I do admit I was wrong to think he was the man to do the job.

I think what you're ignoring is that there's no way he can win over the fans without perhaps a league and cup double. In an ideal world what you're saying is correct. But already there are fans chanting for his replacement. You have thm in here saying if we do well it's inspite of Roy. He's a dead man walking, unfortunately.

So although I was saying give him time I don't mean it, there's no point.

So really there's no point keeping him for the season.