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Roy's always been a defensively-minded manager though, hasn't he? He certainly was at Fulham and Blackburn and I don't recall the Swiss being a particularly attacking-minded team.

That isn't a bad thing; I don't recall too many Arsenal fans bemoaning the old George Graham days when they were winning. Football has changed though and if you're going to sit back you need pace on the counter, and we don't really have that. But that is something that could be rectified in January you'd hope.

and what kind if football would you play if you were fulham or Blackburn or Switzerland? Me I'd go out not to get beaten rather than try and play like arsenal. But we've got a slow team so you know.

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No. You said you hadn't seen the game so I gave you a brief summary of what happened. I couldn't tell you whether or not the good spells had anything to do with a change in tactics - it certainly didn't look any different. It just seemed like Wigan clocked what we were up to, and their confidence grew the more of the ball they saw; which was a lot.

I was suggesting possibly the good bits were the tactics and the bad bits were the players in a panic. That's just a guess but then so is it the other way around. And it was an improvemet on last season.

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Shouldn't you be trawling the Internet for videos that show the liverpool manager in a bad light to show your support?

Stop it ramone, trying to force it doesn't make it funny. Laboured at best, you're better off sticking your one liners in threads about immigration or gay sex scandals. You know, your meat and drink of posting.

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Stop it ramone, trying to force it doesn't make it funny. Laboured at best, you're better off sticking your one liners in threads about immigration or gay sex scandals. You know, your meat and drink of posting.

excellent reply as always. You've really explained how you support Roy hodgson, expanding on your hilarious explanation of "not booing"

don't ever change you nutter.

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He misplaced 3 passes out of 35 attempts in 90 minutes. Meireles managed to misplace 5 out of 19 attempts in the first half alone. Gerrard weighed in with 12 failures out of 51 attempts. He broke down more attacks than the rest of our midfielders as well. I don't see the point in singling him out for criticism when he was far from our worst player, and the team performed poorly as a unit.

I'm surprised that the people that used to moan about Rafa's negative tactics (and I was one of them, on occasion), particularly away from home, aren't in here jumping up and down about the way we set up. We stood off them and invited them onto us. We're short of a target man and pace on the wings, and until we have them, those tactics will not work.

Easy there.

I'd say the importance of a misplaced pass is right up there. Gerrard has always had a thing for giving away the ball in his own half.

I pointed out an awful pass that Lucas gave up that should have resulted in a goal to the opposition. We didn't win the game, we could have lost it.

Clearly there's still work to be done with Lucas.

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Johnson;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/13/glen-johnson-liverpool-roy-hodgson

Glen Johnson's future at Liverpool is in serious doubt after Roy Hodgson delivered a damning assessment of his form this season and claimed he has performed nowhere near the level expected of an England international.

Johnson has been restricted to one start in Liverpool's past seven games by injury, and will again be absent at Stoke City this evening because of an adductor strain. Even before his fitness problems, however, the 26-year-old had jeopardised his first-team place with several woeful displays and Hodgson's public rebuke indicates Liverpool's new owners may be willing to listen to offers for the right-back in January. The manager said: "He's the England right-back and if he plays like that one would expect him to come back in. But then he'd have to play like the England right-back and up to now, to be quite frank, he's not performed – very often at least – to the level I'd expect of him.

"You would have to ask him the question: 'Do you think you're playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?' If he says yes obviously we will have to agree to differ and if he says no, then you'd have to ask the question: 'Why not?'"

It is believed Johnson has struggled to settle on Merseyside since his £18m transfer from Portsmouth in July 2009 and Hodgson's outspoken criticism suggests a possible problem between the player and the club's new manager. Tottenham Hotspur, Internazionale and Juventus have all been linked recently with the former West Ham United and Chelsea defender, whose cost to Liverpool may be considered by New England Sports Ventures should a bid for his services materialise.

The former manager Rafael Benítez has admitted he had paid a premium to sign an English right-back, although approximately half the £18m transfer fee was offset by monies Portsmouth owed Liverpool for Peter Crouch. Liverpool are understood to have given Johnson a four-year contract worth around £120,000 a week when his old club, Chelsea, entered the race for his signature last year.

One senior Liverpool player who has dismissed doubts over his immediate future at the club is the goalkeeper José Reina, who issued a statement on the club's website in response to a report he had told Hodgson he wanted to leave.

Reina, who has a release clause in his latest Liverpool contract and has been strongly linked with Arsenal, said: "It is completely untrue. I have not told the manager that I wish to leave in January, or at any other time. It is important our fans know this. I have a long-term contract at Liverpool and I am fully committed to the club.

"Our new owner met me and some of the other players last week and I was very happy with what he told me. The entire squad and staff are working very hard to get us back competing at the top of the table. We will not be distracted by inaccurate media speculation."

Joe Cole is unavailable for today's trip to the Britannia Stadium having failed to recover from a hamstring injury but Sotirios Kyrgiakos is expected to return in central defence after a bout of tonsillitis.

Fernando Torres has been recalled by Spain for next week's friendly against Portugal in Lisbon. Torres missed the world champions' recent European Championship qualifiers against Lithuania and Scotland through injury.

Liverpool, meanwhile, are monitoring the young Preston North End midfielder Adam Barton.

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Waddle loves criticizing Reina. Bizarre.

"He should be coming to get that, for me". Yeah, Chris, he should be running through the wall of bodies in front of him so he can come and claim a mostly harmless floated ball that is dropping 10 yards from his line.

This ref is letting so much go as well. It's going to be a frustrating one, this.

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Away to Stoke is a tough game so a draw isnt a bad result but christ we look awful.

Yup. It would be nice if we could create some chances, or even just control the midfield. So far, it just seems like we're happy to stand off them and punt it up to Torres in the hope that he'll do something amazing.

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Looks like we "turned a corner" and ended up on shite street. What the fuck is up with Liverpool. Come next we're gonna lose the likes of Torres, Gerrard and Reina and become a mid table club for good.

I never wanted Roy and still don't, regardless of last weeks result. Yeah the players are playing crap, but the man that decides the formation, the tactics, the team selection is out of his depth and needs to go NOW.

SHAMBLES

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Quite simply we need a pair of players at the very least to fill the wide positions. It wouldn't matter if Mourinho was manager, this chronic issue would still leave us unable to compete. If we can get at least two players that fill this role in the transfer window we'll look ten times better. Then we can work on our glaring fullback and striker problem.

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