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Kyrgiakos currently is our best defender though. He's our most reliable and in form center back based on the most recent performances. It's not saying he's an outright better player than Skrtel, Agger and Carragher, but he's definitely in the best form right now. Even disregarding that though, why on Earth would you get rid of him when the other options are the spent force that is Jamie Carragher and then the perma-injured Agger and Skrtel? I'd love it if we could have Agger and Skrtel playing every week and forming a partnership because I rate them both pretty highly, but when it's not happening I'm pretty fucking grateful that we've got someone like Kyrgiakos to fill in. He does make mistakes (though they're a lot less frequent now that he's settled and has had more regular games for us), sure, but he's a colossus on his day, solid much of the time and yes, he provides a goal threat that we lost with Sami's departure.

I agree. I think Kyrgiakos has been fantastic for us, and I thought the same last season. He's really surprised me, and he'd be my first choice at the back now. He totally dominates the air space at both ends of the pitch, and given our propensity to leak silly goals from crosses into the area, having our own personal F-35 lurking in the box can only be a good thing. We haven't looked so dangerous when attacking set-pieces in years as well.

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Who is the player, you would most like the club to sign in the January transfer window?

Mine are as follows:

1) Lisandro Lopez

2) Ibrahim Afellay

3) Royston Drenthe

I also believe bastian schweinsteiger's contract is due to expire in the summer so maybe take a look at him?

As far as I know the Mirrors story about Schweinsteiger is wrong. His contract ends in 2012.

I don't think Lisandro would fit in with the transfer policy that Henry supposedly wants to follow as he'd be nearly 28 in January and would command a sizeable fee.

Didn't Honda only join CSKA in January for a fairly hefty fee so I doubt they'd be willing to sell him for less than £20 million.

I wouldn't mind seeing Liverpool signing any of the following:

Kevin Doyle :unsure:

Arnautovic

Hazard

Lukaku-If Arsenal want him he must be good right?

Javi Martinez

Contreau

James McCarthy

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Chewylegs

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Kyrgiakos currently is our best defender though. He's our most reliable and in form center back based on the most recent performances. It's not saying he's an outright better player than Skrtel, Agger and Carragher, but he's definitely in the best form right now. Even disregarding that though, why on Earth would you get rid of him when the other options are the spent force that is Jamie Carragher and then the perma-injured Agger and Skrtel?. He does make mistakes (though they're a lot less frequent now that he's settled and has had more regular games for us), sure, but he's a colossus on his day, solid much of the time and yes, he provides a goal threat that we lost with Sami's departure.

We're relying on N'Gog more than we should because Torres has been unfit/out of form for a long time and we barely have any forwards. It's not that N'Gog needs to go, it's that the squad needs to be stronger so that he can be the bargain priced squad player/prospect he was signed to be. It's far too easy to scapegoat fringe players and label them "not good enough" whilst forgetting that they're only playing so much and being put under so much pressure because our first team players are either injured or playing like shit.

The thing is JLM, the quote below is actually what I said originally. This was before his (Kyrgiakos) admittly great performance against Blackburn, and after seeing him play 5 or 6 times this season and in general look rather slow, indecisive and not top 4 quality. Now its easy to say he is currently our best defender, as he looked great last game. What happens if he goes back to looking shit in the next though? I also never said we should definitely get rid, I said that we shouldn't be relying on these players as much as we do (following the purchase by the new owners, and the likelyhood of money being spent in January and summer 2011). Of course we have to rely on them now, this second in time, but not January and beyond.

I may well be wrong with Kyrgiakos, and he may well continue to put in commanding performances, and I really hope he does with Carraghers current form and Agger not even being fit, but I think in the future we should be looking at shipping some of these players out and replacing them with better quality players who will get us back to the top.

I don't agree with the scapegoat bit though. Babel has not looked good enough for a long time. There has to be a point when you say enough is enough. Lucas, although reasonable, is not in Mascherano's or Alonso's class, and he never will be. Same with Poulsen. Ngog certainly wouldn't be leading the line in any of the top 15 teams in the country, now would he?. Now we have the ability to buy better, established players, we should be drafting some in to go alongside the undountable quality we have in Reina, Gerrard, Torres, Meireles, Cole, Skrtel which will then give the younger players more time to become great.

I like the look of Shelvey, I very much like Kelly (him with Johnson ahead of him ), Spearing was ok, but not the best for him to play next to Poulsen and Jonanovic looked pretty good. Pacheco needs to play more as well to see if he will be good enough.

The players for me that have to go over or at least stop playing so much in the next year must be:-

Babel- show him the door

The Greek - And him

Ngog - Not really sure if he is good enough

Poulsen - Bench

Lucas - Bench

I think Jonanovic should be getting more play time, swap between him and Cole. Cole will be good, but he's not a must on the starting XI at this point in time. Yet again last night we seemed short of ideas and lacked a cutting edge. Desperately need quality in attack.

So as you can see, it was ramone taking a older quote, pulling out what he fancied and then coming back with 'you intelligent'. The kid is a prick, plain and simple.

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ras el hanout

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Older quote! A week old, I was banned and couldn't reply, remember! Sheesh!

I think he's always looked pretty solid and he can be a scapegoat. If kyriakos makes a mistake it's because he's shit - agger makes a mistake and it's just a mistake. I think I posted that exact point last year too!

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Chewylegs

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I agree. I think Kyrgiakos has been fantastic for us, and I thought the same last season. He's really surprised me, and he'd be my first choice at the back now. He totally dominates the air space at both ends of the pitch, and given our propensity to leak silly goals from crosses into the area, having our own personal F-35 lurking in the box can only be a good thing. We haven't looked so dangerous when attacking set-pieces in years as well.

I find this very surprising, perhaps I've been watching a different team, but I would not say (like the rest of you seem to be) that he has been great for us for a number of games. Two games I've thought, 'fair play, he played brilliantly'. Just two :(

One thing I do agree with though is the looking dangerous on set pieces. He certainly is a welcome addition there.

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Chewylegs

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But he is saying show the greek the door, seems to be trying to worm his way out of it by bolding or.

Yawn. I'm not, I was posting about The Greek and Ngog. My post, a week ago, BEFORE one of the ONLY great performances I believe Kyrgiakos has had, was simply stating that now we have money to spend, in the future i don't think these people are good enough to either be in the team or at the club. Not if you are trying to win the league or get into the Champions League. For now, we have no one else, so play them.

As you can see from my other posts, I find it very surprising you all think he is excellent, but hey I'm willing to disagree. I'd have disagreed with you in a normal manner if it wasn't for your derisory comments again!

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I don't disagree with you on Babel, and Poulsen is a squad player at best.

However, Kyrgiakos - "Show him the door"

Is still a crazy comment to me, no matter how you slice it, and even if it was made just before some of his best work for us. Even if we disagree on how good he's been for us, what would you do instead? Buy a world class center half and tell him that he's third choice? Drop Agger? Drop Skrtel? You seem to be misunderstanding the point of having a squad player. For the role he was bought for (that being, playing when our crocked/issues-plagued central defenders aren't there), he has been almost perfect. He's professional, he has experience, he doesn't talk shit when he's not picked, he's settled into some really good form after some early jitters and has generally been an absolute bargain. Showing him the door would be absolutely suicidal, and I can't for the life of me think who/what would be a better solution.

Similar thing with N'Gog. He's young, he has potential, he has a fantastic attitude and his performances have been as good as you could ask of him, given that he was never bought to "lead the line" for us. I agree that we should ideally have a stronger squad so that younger/fringe players shouldn't have to carry the load, that was the central thrust of my last post aside from defending some individuals, but I think it's extremely harsh to label N'Gog "Not good enough". Like with the Bendtner example before, Eduardo snapped his leg in half, Van Persie is always injured, and so Bedntner is playing this string of high profile games as a starter when he was never meant to. During this period it's all "Bendtner's not good enough", "He wouldn't start for any other top four side". He was never meant to at this stage! This is the point. Unless you have four world class strikers who have no egos or ambition at all and are all perfectly happy to rotate as and when needed, you're going to need your understudy players. Unfortunately our current situation has asked way too much of said understudy players, but as I said earlier, to criticise them and say that they should be shipped out or aren't good enough is to miss the point.

The idea that you can't have players like this at the club if you want to win the league is ludicrous to me, is what I'm saying. Yes, you ideally want a stronger squad so that N'Gog isn't asked to carry the weight for months at a time, but he still absolutely has a place in the squad.

It's like United fans saying they should ship out Johnny Evans if he has some bad games or something, or getting rid of John O'Shea because he's never going to be first choice for a Champions League winning side. Unless you live in a Man City dream world, players like N'Gog and Kyrgiakos are essential.

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Chewylegs

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I'm probably just gonna have to agree to disagree with you I reckon. Hopefully I will be proved wrong, and I can see a lot of others on here think he has done very well for us. Perhaps 'show him the door' was too harsh, and maybe you are right, as a squad player he is serving his purpose.

I would buy a very decent promising defender, and not a 31 year old. As I keep saying though, I don't mean we don't need him now, I mean in the next couple of transfer windows, we should be looking to the future.

Same with Ngog, I said 'I don't know if he is good enough'. I stand by that, I just don't know at the moment. But looking to the future, we need to bring in a class Striker to complement or play instead of Torres, and not rely on Ngog as much. Like I said, he is not gonna get in hardly any premiership teams first XI at the moment. Ngog then can hopefully have time to mature and develop, as I believe he needs this desperately.

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Sums it up for me. I remember his slip against Lyon, thinking it summed up both his career and how fucked we were in the transfer market that we couldn't afford Michael Turner (piss off, Ramone).

But since then, he's really started to show his worth. Worth every penny and definitely not a failure any more, he's taken his chance and he's a good squad member. Yes, we should and could do better but I won't complain if he's in the team this season.

Should've kept the beard, though.

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Soto's been our best defender this season, and I hope to goodness he starts on Sunday.

I wouldn't mind seeing Liverpool signing any of the following:

Kevin Doyle :unsure:

Arnautovic

Hazard

Lukaku-If Arsenal want him he must be good right?

Javi Martinez

Contreau

James McCarthy

You're right, we do all deserve a nice stiff drink.

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I would buy a very decent promising defender, and not a 31 year old..

We have lots of those (Wilson, Ayala, Wisdom etc). I'd even class Agger and Skrtel as that. Soto has proven to be a very good replacement for Sami - a good, experienced backup.

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We need a first team defender to replace Carragher. We need a left back and a back up right back - or at least play Kelly more.

Left winger, for the love of God, now that we have some money. We can also flog Babel. A second striker and a right winger and I'm happy.

If we can get those players over the next two years, we'll be sorted.

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You're right, we do all deserve a nice stiff drink.

I blame the iPhones predictive text, I definitely spelled his name right.

In all seriousness he does look like a really good player and Liverpool do need a quality left back.

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What a depressive game so far.

Torres still looking rusty, perhaps not his fault.

Cole cuts in and over hits crosses.

Konchesky still seems to lack sharpness of thought and confidence. His booking didnt need to happen, poor challenge.

Gerrard; woeful freekicks where it didn't seem like he believed he had a chance of scoring, and a chance just now that was well wide.

Second half will hopefully improve. Two massive games coming up next...

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