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[Reynard]

I wish non Liverpool fans would fuck off out of this thread.

Indeed - I'd even rather have the (fully expected) "Ha ha, you're doing shit!" kind of posts (which we haven't had much of surprisingly) instead of these sniping ones I've been seeing from some.

The most annoying are the patronsing "Let me tell you all where you're going wrong..." know-nothing idiot posts.*

* Nate's not among the pricks for me.

[SMD]

Rumours are bullshit except when I want to believe them?

Rumours have some reason for having legs. Even if it's total bullshit, if someone in the club is saying it then that means someone wants that out there.

It's just like spin doctoring these days, Wouldn't be surprised if Alistair Campbell gets signed up by United soon enough.

[V3zna]

The scary thing in this current Liverpool era is we've had the team leaked 24 to 48 hours before matches. There's a lot more stuff leaking out of Anfield these days for some reason.

[Dandy_Sephy]

instead of these sniping ones I've been seeing from some.

I'm pretty sure that trolling team threads is warn worthy based on previous comments

[dogsout]

Nate's not among the pricks for me.

Yeah. Nate's one of my faves on here, and I don't think it's right that people are having a go at him for what was a pretty humorous jibe. There definitely are a few (supposedly neutral) bell-ends that love to come in here and give it the big 'un, but Nate definitely isn't one of them. I think this thread has improved a lot in that regard, actually.

I think all of the twitter rumour-mongering does open us up to a bit of ridicule, particularly when people put too much stock in it. However, Vezna's assertion that there is a fair bit of genuine info being leaked and posted up (usually on RAWK) is also correct. There's a fella on RAWK that posts up the team sheet long before the games and he gets it right every time. When Rafa was in charge we had a different guy doing it but he's subsequently moved on to another forum. There are certain journalists posting on twitter that certainly do have somebody feeding them info, but then there is also a lot of speculative bollocks stuck up there, too. I just take most of it with a pinch of salt.

[ras el hanout]

Hey guys I'm back! Yeah I got banned for a week for being mean to you lot. What did I miss? Has this thread been awesome like the good old days? Gonna read back now.

[ras el hanout]

So you don't think that it's important what rumours come out and in what context?

If every rumour was true we'd have a joint management team of Mourinho, Capello and Martin O'Neill, our squad would comprise no players and every player who's ever played against us, a new stadium that we share with Everton but they won't play there because it's ours, while Gerrard's out on a Vespa every night cutting anyone who says that Alex's sister fucked him even though she doesn't have a sister and he'd fall off the scooter anyway.

The fact that two of our biggest names are said to be unhappy, as well as being the two who have come in and embodied the last regime's successes, to the extent that these rumours have legs suggests that either they're trying to put pressure on the manager (ergo, bad) or that they're that unhappy with things that it's plausible.

what successes are they then?

[ras el hanout]

The tactics seen on Thursday were the same as the rest of the games this season, with Napoli's wastefulness in the final third ensuring a 'good' result (the kind of fixture people would've expected us to win last season).

When the fans saw the performance yesterday, especially the tactics, they naturally questioned why the team played in a style that none of Hodgson's previous teams had played. Couple this with his comment a few weeks back that he wouldn't change his approach (tactics) that had served him so well during his career thus far and you can see why the tongues would be wagging and rumours circulating.

You've never heard of player/squad unrest related to their manager's tactics? It's happened before in football and is not that outlandish a concept.

Like I said, not saying I necessarily believe it, but it's not at the tin-hat-wearing conspiracy levels you're making it out to be.

people who don't believe in the moon landings don't think they're fucking mental either.

[ras el hanout]

The players for me that have to go over or at least stop playing so much in the next year must be:-

The Greek - And him

Ngog - Not really sure if he is good enough

you intelligent!

[ras el hanout]

Quite a few journalists have been talking about it on Twitter. As always, usual caveats apply whenever anything newsworthy is posted.

But to keep ramone happy, I will be more clear.

THERE ARE REPORTS FROM JOURNALISTS that Torres and Reina are deeply unhappy and that there are rifts between players in the dressing room, as the belief is that some of the players were culpable in Benitez being sacked and they're not happy about the way things have turned out.

Lol! The caveat being if SMD posted it it's mostly likely bullshit!

What a fucking donger you are.

It's brilliant, a couple of decent results and it's all "must've gone back to raf's tactics!"

yeah we were super successful under rafa. Once we finished 2nd! And as the saying goes "everybody remembers who was second!"

anyway, graham s has ordered me not to post anymore in this thread. He told me I intimidate a lot of you. A spirit level could intimidate most of you you bricks.

Of course some of you are okay. There's dogsout and... Erm... Well I'm sure there are others! Keep praying for rafa guys and make any shit up you feel, afterall if somebody is making shit up about hodgson then it means people are unhappy and so the rumours are actually valid. No smoke without fire.

[SMD]

[ras el hanout]

It's nice to finally be able to put a face to the inane dribblings.

[Chewylegs]

you intelligent!

I don't actually beleive you are a Liverpool supporter at all. I've just read 3 posts that you have made, quoting 3 people (Reynard, SMD and myself) that you love to try and wind up. That's basically all you do in here.

Why quote my post if you don't actually bother coming out with an argument against it? And yes, Ngog has not proved shit in the premiership, and Kyriagkos, apart from being superb at going up for corners, has looked dodgy at best at the back, which is where we need him most. If we are relying on them two to play week in week out, we won't even manage to finish 7th this year.

[ras el hanout]

It's a shame I can't respond because I might get banned again through hurting your feelings. I will just say that Kyriagkos is currently our best defender. Ngog our top goal scorer. That's why I quoted you, because your post was really fucking stupid (I highlighted this with sarcasm, by suggesting you intelligent).

SMD was posting pro-rafa, anti-Hodgson lies as usual. When pickwed up on it by a few people he was all "Of course these are only rumours" (He didn't initally post it like that. So I quoted him because supporters like him are like a cancer.

Reynard's post was another monumentally unaware and stupid post. I found it funny, that if we do play well it can't be because of Hodgson.

There were others I couldn't even be bothered to quote, like the melon who denied it was Rafa who last season kept saying "We've turned the corner" I mean it was a running joke all last season and yet some chump tried to pass it off as Houllier!!

Some other guy was going on about how Hodgson had lost the support of Agger through not playing him regularly. Agger has never played regularly. He was often linked with moves away under Rafa. But of course somebody is suggesting Agger liked it under Rafa but is now unhappy.

I mean it's all so emabarrassing, we had other people coming in and laughing at you guys! I don't blame them. Man if I didn't think you'd go crying to a mod I'd tell you guys just how great I think you are.

[Chewylegs]

It's a shame I can't respond because I might get banned again through hurting your feelings. I will just say that Kyriagkos is currently our best defender. Ngog our top goal scorer. That's why I quoted you, because your post was really fucking stupid (I highlighted this with sarcasm, by suggesting you intelligent).

SMD was posting pro-rafa, anti-Hodgson lies as usual. When pickwed up on it by a few people he was all "Of course these are only rumours" (He didn't initally post it like that. So I quoted him because supporters like him are like a cancer.

Reynard's post was another monumentally unaware and stupid post. I found it funny, that if we do play well it can't be because of Hodgson.

There were others I couldn't even be bothered to quote, like the melon who denied it was Rafa who last season kept saying "We've turned the corner" I mean it was a running joke all last season and yet some chump tried to pass it off as Houllier!!

Some other guy was going on about how Hodgson had lost the support of Agger through not playing him regularly. Agger has never played regularly. He was often linked with moves away under Rafa. But of course somebody is suggesting Agger liked it under Rafa but is now unhappy.

I mean it's all so emabarrassing, we had other people coming in and laughing at you guys! I don't blame them. Man if I didn't think you'd go crying to a mod I'd tell you guys just how great I think you are.

What a dick! Seriously you are a fucking tool!

What is it with you grouping all of us together all the time? We all have differing opinions, but in general you love to say 'You guys are priceless', 'you guys are fools'.

YOU are the embarrassing one, I've never reported you to a mod, because its really not worth it, but my god, you love to antagonise people just for the sake of it. Why not just let it go over your head, and why do you have to turn nearly everything into a anti Rafa rant? For fuck sake, he's gone, get over it!

Kyriagkos is our best defender? Really? He has looked very dangerous for corners, but i've seen him make countless mistakes at the back, and thats where he has to be most effective. If we want to finish in the top 4 we need to have better defenders than him at the club. Ngog as well, he's scored most of his 7 in Europe, against substandard teams. I'm not saying he hasn't got potential, its just we can't rely on him when Torres is injured if we want to finish top 4. Simple really, and doesn't warrant yet another sarcastic remark from a prick like you!

[SMD]

SMD was posting pro-rafa, anti-Hodgson lies as usual.

Epic.

[Graham S]

Ramone being banned is nowt to do with me. Thankfully the days when I'd have to worry about precisely how much of a dick someone could be before you have to make a show of telling them off is long gone.

My plea for a friendly good humoured LFC thread again was purely personal, even if it did fall on deaf ears.

[JLM]

Kyrgiakos currently is our best defender though. He's our most reliable and in form center back based on the most recent performances. It's not saying he's an outright better player than Skrtel, Agger and Carragher, but he's definitely in the best form right now. Even disregarding that though, why on Earth would you get rid of him when the other options are the spent force that is Jamie Carragher and then the perma-injured Agger and Skrtel? I'd love it if we could have Agger and Skrtel playing every week and forming a partnership because I rate them both pretty highly, but when it's not happening I'm pretty fucking grateful that we've got someone like Kyrgiakos to fill in. He does make mistakes (though they're a lot less frequent now that he's settled and has had more regular games for us), sure, but he's a colossus on his day, solid much of the time and yes, he provides a goal threat that we lost with Sami's departure.

We're relying on N'Gog more than we should because Torres has been unfit/out of form for a long time and we barely have any forwards. It's not that N'Gog needs to go, it's that the squad needs to be stronger so that he can be the bargain priced squad player/prospect he was signed to be. He's done remarkably well given the ludicrous expectations that have been placed on him. It's far too easy to scapegoat fringe players and label them "not good enough" whilst forgetting that they're only playing so much and being put under so much pressure because our first team players are either injured or playing like shit. I've seen Nicklas Bendtner get all kinds of grief from Arsenal fans in a similar situation.

I get wound up by ramone as much as the next person, but I really think he's right on these two. I consider Carragher to be a much bigger liability than Kyrgiakos at present.

[ras el hanout]

Jlm now that we're best friends do you think it's also right that smd should stop posting false rumours as if they're facts? I mean I seem to be a target for my up-and-at-'em attitude whereas somebody else can post made up mental bullshit and you're all cool with that. This is what I can't understand.

[Kazit]

Who is the player, you would most like the club to sign in the January transfer window?

Mine are as follows:

1) Lisandro Lopez

2) Ibrahim Afellay

3) Royston Drenthe

I also believe bastian schweinsteiger's contract is due to expire in the summer so maybe take a look at him?

[ras el hanout]

Honda.

Alonso

young

[Reynard]

Kyrgiakos currently is our best defender though. He's our most reliable and in form center back based on the most recent performances. It's not saying he's an outright better player than Skrtel, Agger and Carragher, but he's definitely in the best form right now. Even disregarding that though, why on Earth would you get rid of him when the other options are the spent force that is Jamie Carragher and then the perma-injured Agger and Skrtel? I'd love it if we could have Agger and Skrtel playing every week and forming a partnership because I rate them both pretty highly, but when it's not happening I'm pretty fucking grateful that we've got someone like Kyrgiakos to fill in. He does make mistakes (though they're a lot less frequent now that he's settled and has had more regular games for us), sure, but he's a colossus on his day, solid much of the time and yes, he provides a goal threat that we lost with Sami's departure.

We're relying on N'Gog more than we should because Torres has been unfit/out of form for a long time and we barely have any forwards. It's not that N'Gog needs to go, it's that the squad needs to be stronger so that he can be the bargain priced squad player/prospect he was signed to be. He's done remarkably well given the ludicrous expectations that have been placed on him. It's far too easy to scapegoat fringe players and label them "not good enough" whilst forgetting that they're only playing so much and being put under so much pressure because our first team players are either injured or playing like shit. I've seen Nicklas Bendtner get all kinds of grief from Arsenal fans in a similar situation.

I get wound up by ramone as much as the next person, but I really think he's right on these two. I consider Carragher to be a much bigger liability than Kyrgiakos at present.

There's something going on with Agger at present - it's not a simple case of him being injured. The Greek is currently our best performer, but he does seem to suit these backs-to-the-wall kind of performances we've required of recent. Next time he's up against a cultured forward, he'll probably struggle.

Agree on N'gog. I'd put Lucas in the same kind of bracket as what you've described there. I don't really agree on Torres though - he's been a little rusty, yeah, but he's just not the getting the service, as others have already said.

[ras el hanout]

There's something going on with Agger at present - it's not a simple case of him being injured. The Greek is currently our best performer, but he does seem to suit these backs-to-the-wall kind of performances we've required of recent. Next time he's up against a cultured forward, he'll probably struggle.

Agree on N'gog. I'd put Lucas in the same kind of bracket as what you've described there. I don't really agree on Torres though - he's been a little rusty, yeah, but he's just not the getting the service, as others have already said.

and which of our defenders wouldn't struggle against this cultured forward you speak of? We talking of a berbatov type?

[the_debaser]

Has Agger ever actually ever been anything more than a prospect? He's never had a string of consistently good games, has he? It's clear you need a decent centre back or two, and proper cover for Torres. Your midfield is certainly stronger with Mireles and Cole so that's not so urgent.

[ras el hanout]

Has Agger ever actually ever been anything more than a prospect? He's never had a string of consistently good games, has he? It's clear you need a decent centre back or two, and proper cover for Torres. Your midfield is certainly stronger with Mierleles and Cole so that's not so urgent.

I raised this very point last year. I asked if agger was actually as good a defender as we suggest. I think if the good performances and I think of the goals, I don't remember him having a dominant defensive performance. The Greek has already!

[JLM]

Jlm now that we're best friends

Dude, don't stand so close to me when the other guys are around. We'll talk later.

Wear the stockings.

[Reynard]

and which of our defenders wouldn't struggle against this cultured forward you speak of? We talking of a berbatov type?

Yeah, that kind of player.

None, unfortunately.

I think Carragher used to be capable, but he's been on the wane for the last 18 months or so. I think Agger's certainly got the capability to be that kind of player and has shown it in the past, but he really needs to get back in the side and re-establish himself.

[Takizawa]

...and you're all cool with that.

No we're not, most of us just ignore it.

Like ramone i'd love Ashley Young, but its pretty unlikely.

[ras el hanout]

No we're not, most of us just ignore it.

Like ramone i'd love Ashley Young, but its pretty unlikely.

ah okay! I thought because nobody ever pulled him up on it you all agreed and that's why I get so damn angry. It's like cathy bates watching that film and the ending changing. That's how I feel!

And i meant luke young! Not really.

Honda though. Who's going to buy him?

[Kazit]

Honda is a good shout and i think Young would be more likely come the summer and Alonso are you serious?