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[a big boy]

That sign should probably read 'championship' now realistically.

Yeah ,midtable obscurity would be going up-hill, surely?

I looked at the starting lineup before the game and thought that actually looks a pretty decent team... How wrong I was.

[Dandy_Sephy]

I really can't see us improving while Hodgson is in charge. He clearly has no idea what to do with us and I've not seen him show any kind of passion for the job. You can argue that the players aren't doing their job, and you'll get no disagreement from me, but ultimately it's his job to sort that out. You can't leave it until the last 10minutes to get going

It's all right saying "give him time, give him time", but he's had enough time and we are just as bad, if not worse!

edit:Torres touched the ball more in the last five minutes than in the rest of the game

[SMD]

The last five minutes was ridiculous, like kids playing on the playground.

No direction, no tactics, no hope.

[a big boy]

I really can't see us improving while Hodgson is in charge. He clearly has no idea what to do with us and I've not seen him show any kind of passion for the job. You can argue that the players aren't doing their job, and you'll get no disagreement from me, but ultimately it's his job to sort that out. You can't leave it until the last 10minutes to get going

It's all right saying "give him time, give him time", but he's had enough time and we are just as bad, if not worse!

Far worse.

[lampkin]

Well, at least we're not bottom.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Thats a great comfort.

[SMD]

Well, at least we're not bottom.

On goal difference.

[ras el hanout]

SMD Blaming Konchesky, eh? Yeah, Konchesky was the worst player out there.

Seriously though.

Lucas although seemingly a nice chap can't play football, it's clear. Neither can Carragher (getting anything on the ball might be good in your box, not so much anywhere else on the field, and he wasn't doing it in the box) so we're effectively starting with 9 men. But what's his name has to be better than Carragher at RB. Anybody has gotta be better than Torres at the moment.

Still the other 9 should be okay. But they're not. I mean Gerrard should still be able to kick the ball no matter how bad Hodgson's tactics are. It's a pickle as to what to do. The players look just as lacking in confidence as they did last year, Hodgson should have made some sort of impact on that, the fact that he hasn't is a MASSIVE worry. It's amazing fans still look fondly on Rafa after seeing the mess he left and Hodgson has that to contend with, people like SMD putting th eboot in with a massive stiffy, slagging Konchesly like he's worse that Josemi and Nunes put together, what I don't is to waste the next six years with the wrong manager like we did the last. But there's no guarantee when appointing a manager unless it's Mourinho. You know? Only time tells.

What about Carragher? Would he be any good? One to ponder.

[lampkin]

SMD Blaming Konchesky, eh? Yeah, Konchesky was the worst player out there.

Seriously though.

Lucas although seemingly a nice chap can't play football, it's clear. Neither can Carragher (getting anything on the ball might be good in your box, not so much anywhere else on the field, and he wasn't doing it in the box) so we're effectively starting with 9 men. But what's his name has to be better than Carragher at RB. Anybody has gotta be better than Torres at the moment.

Still the other 9 should be okay. But they're not. I mean Gerrard should still be able to kick the ball no matter how bad Hodgson's tactics are. It's a pickle as to what to do. The players look just as lacking in confidence as they did last year, Hodgson should have made some sort of impact on that, the fact that he hasn't is a MASSIVE worry. It's amazing fans still look fondly on Rafa after seeing the mess he left and Hodgson has that to contend with, people like SMD putting th eboot in with a massive stiffy, slagging Konchesly like he's worse that Josemi and Nunes put together, what I don't is to waste the next six years with the wrong manager like we did the last. But there's no guarantee when appointing a manager unless it's Mourinho. You know? Only time tells.

What about Carragher? Would he be any good? One to ponder.

Aye, it's Rafa's fault, oddly though, I don't remeber us being at the bottom of the table (ed: Sorry, second to bottom...on goal difference) when Rafa was here...go figure.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Lucas although seemingly a nice chap can't play football, it's clear. Neither can Carragher (getting anything on the ball might be good in your box, not so much anywhere else on the field, and he wasn't doing it in the box) so we're effectively starting with 9 men. But what's his name has to be better than Carragher at RB.

I know I should expect this sort of thing from you, but Carragher was one of the few players who actually pushed in a attacking position. I certainly didn't see anyone else putting in crosses on a regular basis, so your decision to write him off as a non entity is a curious one.

[ras el hanout]

Does Hodgson actually have any tactics?

If tactics were what it took to win football games we'd have been champions the last 6 seasons.

Tactics don't mean much when the players can't actually kick the ball.

[SMD]

You don't think Konchesky and Skrtel were responsible for the first goal?

Rafa had one bad season, you just keep banging on about it as if it were the norm.

And even in Rafa's worst season, it wasn't this bad and we still had a shape.

Loads of people said Hodgson was out of his depth when he was linked with us, you can't turn around and go "oh you don't know how it will turn out".

Since Souness, when have we had a manager that's been so shite, so out of his depth and so clueless? Every manager has come in and made some improvements immediately, even if they initially struggled. Evans got us playing better, Houllier had us defending better and Benitez made us playing with conviction. We came back from behind more times under Rafa than anyone in the past 20 years. He has the record for most goal scoring substitutes in one season.

Rafa would correct his mistakes, Hodgson stands on the touchline and rubs his forehead.

[Frosty]

Who was Liverpool's ass man before Sammy Lee?

Didn't everything start to go wrong around the time he showed up?

[ras el hanout]

Aye, it's Rafa's fault, oddly though, I don't remeber us being at the bottom of the table (ed: Sorry, second to bottom...on goal difference) when Rafa was here...go figure.

Well they were his players, and he couldn't get them to play. Imagine how tough it must be when they're not your players!

But that's not the point, Rafa's gone and no amount of crying will bring him back, he had 6 years and he couldn't do it.

Should we be fair and give Roy 6 years? I'm thinking not. The players aren't responding to him. But i'm not over keen on the idea of Kenny. But you never know until you try, that's the problem. You can be a good manager at the wrong club, that's what it looks like it is for Roy.

[ras el hanout]

Who was Liverpool's ass man before Sammy Lee?

Didn't everything start to go wrong around the time he showed up?

I'm not happy about Sammy Lee, he presence doesn't make sense. How's there going to be a big change when a key figure stays the same, you know?

[Takizawa]

I thought Gerrard played very well today, only tried a few of his glamour passes (which came off) and otherwise was very disciplined and kept the ball moving nicely. Unfortunately it seemed to bounce back off everyone except Mereiles.

[ras el hanout]

You don't think Konchesky and Skrtel were responsible for the first goal?

Rafa had one bad season, you just keep banging on about it as if it were the norm.

And even in Rafa's worst season, it wasn't this bad and we still had a shape.

Loads of people said Hodgson was out of his depth when he was linked with us, you can't turn around and go "oh you don't know how it will turn out".

Since Souness, when have we had a manager that's been so shite, so out of his depth and so clueless? Every manager has come in and made some improvements immediately, even if they initially struggled. Evans got us playing better, Houllier had us defending better and Benitez made us playing with conviction. We came back from behind more times under Rafa than anyone in the past 20 years. He has the record for most goal scoring substitutes in one season.

Rafa would correct his mistakes, Hodgson stands on the touchline and rubs his forehead.

Our first League season under Rafa was a fucking disaster! We finished 5th, below Everton! And that was taking over a team that had finished 4th the year before! Imagine if he'd taken over a team that hgad finished 7th! And if Rafa had one major fault it was that he wouldn't learn from his mistakes, let along correct them. But he's gone and he's not coming back. Until you and the other fans who have remained loyal to him accept that we can't move on. You know?

There's no guarantees with a manager. I mean to be sure about one you'd have to give them a couple of seasons, let them build a team.

But we did that and ended up wasting years. Should we do that again? I don't know. I just don't know.

[SMD]

Our first League under Rafa was a fucking disaster! We finished 5th, below Everton! And that was taking over a team that had finished 4th the year before! Imagine if he'd taken over a team that hgad finished 7th! And if Rafa had one major fault it was that he wouldn't learn from his mistakes, let along correct them. But he's gone and he's not coming back. Until you and the other fans who have remained loyal to him accept that we can't move on. You know?

There's no guarantees with a manager. I mean to be sure about one you'd have to give them a couple of seasons, let them build a team.

But we did that and ended up wasting years. Should we do that again? I don't know. I just don't know.

We won the Champions League and got to the Carling Cup final, you idiot. Would you have preferred to finish fourth or third but bomb out in the CL group stage?

How did Rafa not learn from his mistakes? Please tell me.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Well they were his players, and he couldn't get them to play. Imagine how tough it must be when they're not your players!

But that's not the point, Rafa's gone and no amount of crying will bring him back, he had 6 years and he couldn't do it.

Should we be fair and give Roy 6 years? I'm thinking not. The players aren't responding to him. But i'm not over keen on the idea of Kenny. But you never know until you try, that's the problem. You can be a good manager at the wrong club, that's what it looks like it is for Roy.

Rafa has the fourth highest win percentage in the club history, above even the great Shankly. Kenny has the second highest, and he was playing at the same time. I think the only thing keeping Hodgson in his job is Europe

[ras el hanout]

I thought Gerrard played very well today, only tried a few of his glamour passes (which came off) and otherwisae was very disciplined and kept the ball moving nicely. Unfortunately it seemed to bounce back off everyone else except Mereiles.

Didn't he fire loads of corners into the first defender, I can't remember, I was watching from behind cushions.

[Dandy_Sephy]

And if Rafa had one major fault it was that he wouldn't learn from his mistakes, let along correct them.

Right, apart from when he stopped rotating so much, moved players into better positions that payed off for the entire club (see;Kuyt) and came up with ways to defeat the biggest team in the land several times.

[ras el hanout]

Rafa has the fourth highest win percentage in the club history, above even the great Shankly. Kenny has the second highest, and he was playing at the same time. I think the only thing keeping Hodgson in his job is Europe

Well I think the only thing keeping Hodgson in a job is the fact that it's only been ten games. And up until Blackpool you could make excuses for him. It's difficult now though.`

What do you reckon about Carragher? Build for the future rather that look to the past.

[SMD]

Carragher isn't our future. It's hard to argue a case for him being our present given his performances.

[ras el hanout]

Right, apart from when he stopped rotating so much, moved players into better positions that payed off for the entire club (see;Kuyt) and came up with ways to defeat the biggest team in the land several times.

Did he stop rotating? I thought it was a myth that he rotated in the first place? And how is playing Kuyt on the wing learning from your mistakes lol? You're too much.

[Takizawa]

Didn't he fire loads of corners into the first defender, I can't remember, I was watching from behind cushions.

1 or 2 aye, but we'll judge him purely on that rather than some of the excellent football he played.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Seeing as he's just signed a 2 year extension, he won't be going anywhere anytime soon even if he does play less games. If we are going to slate players for present performances, lets not focus that on players who have earned their status by giving their best week in and week out for their entire career. People singling Carragher out to slag off based on his recent performances have got short memories.

The more worrying thing is that younger players aren't exactly ready to replace him themselves.

[SMD]

Carragher's been in decline since 2007 and the last 18 months have been shocking for him.

We had the great Emlyn Hughes and he was dumped pretty unceremoniously once it looked like he was on the downward spiral.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Did he stop rotating? I thought it was a myth that he rotated in the first place? And how is playing Kuyt on the wing learning from your mistakes lol? You're too much.

He certainly did rotate quite often to rest players, he told us why he was doing it at the time! Yes he did stop doing it so much and to degrees. Kuyt wasn't working as a striker, he got moved. Not only is he one of our hardest working players, but he can still score goals from being "on the wing" as well as set them up.

[lampkin]

Well they were his players, and he couldn't get them to play. Imagine how tough it must be when they're not your players!

But that's not the point, Rafa's gone and no amount of crying will bring him back, he had 6 years and he couldn't do it.

Should we be fair and give Roy 6 years? I'm thinking not. The players aren't responding to him. But i'm not over keen on the idea of Kenny. But you never know until you try, that's the problem. You can be a good manager at the wrong club, that's what it looks like it is for Roy.

Nobody's crying about Rafa being gone, we're crying about people crying about how it's all still Rafa's fault. I think perhaps you should get over him! Take down the shrine Ramone!

[Dandy_Sephy]

Carragher's been in decline since 2007 and the last 18 months have been shocking for him.

We had the great Emlyn Hughes and he was dumped pretty unceremoniously once it looked like he was on the downward spiral.

I think 2007 would be exaggerating, but the point is that we've no one to replace him. Unlike some of our defenders he can play in several positions, so even if he's underperforming, he's still an option. Like today where he was a RB put pushed forward like a winger. He's "undroppable" because we've no cover or replacement