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The annoying thing for me is that Macherano will now be labelled with the same tag/image as Ashley Cole, Ferdinand, Terry etc etc when this couldn't be further from the truth - he was fired up for a big game (unlike Gerrard :unsure:) and he reacted very badly when his mate Torres was booked for complaining about the fouls being commited on him.

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I was far from happy with the treatment Torres received in both games against you this year. Cynical, snidey fouls, often before the ball had even reached him were the order of the day(s) it seemed. I'm not making excuses, as I believe you looked the better side before the sending off as well as after it, but it has left me frustrated.

Maybe Rafa should make a big deal about the need for protection and strong referees in the build up to games like this. I actually think that one of the things holding our domestic form back is that we're not ruthless enough. If we added a bit of the mob mentality to our game that would see us routinely harassing referees, pressuring linesmen and basically carrying on like Chelsea in their Mourinho driven prime, I'm sure we'd do much better than we do, domestically at least. I actually think our mentality works in our favour in Europe and is one of the reasons we tend to do better in the CL than the PL.

What interesting about this is that you could see a player crocked and damage his team/his career/etc - oh yes but a few harsh words to a ref and that's your lot, sonny.

As much as you should respect referees and not question them, when they ARE letting such things go and your team mates are getting booted about, then it's a bit annoying that they'll book you cos "You're talking at them". After your mate is getting kicked all over the place...

I still think Mascha was a bit too eager over it all - although I've not seen the incident/s etc.

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It is sad, but I agree. I like the way Liverpool dont tend to harass refs and I hate the way particuarly Chelsea do it. This is what makes this episode so frustrating.

I was fortunate enough to not see the game though as I was away. Hopefully we can move on and keep some of our form.

Have you watched Liverpool play? Haven't you noticed Carragher or Gerrard screaming at the ref calling him a twat and worse? Did you watch the game on Sunday where Torres was yellow carded for trying to get another player booked and Mascherano was sent off for persistent dissent? These weren't isolated incidents, but I imagine they would have gone unpunished and unnoticed if not for Ashley Cole's behaviour in mid-week.

All teams harrass the ref to a greater or lesser degree, the top four are the worst offenders though by far.

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Have you watched Liverpool play? Haven't you noticed Carragher or Gerrard screaming at the ref calling him a twat and worse? Did you watch the game on Sunday where Torres was yellow carded for trying to get another player booked and Mascherano was sent off for persistent dissent? These weren't isolated incidents, but I imagine they would have gone unpunished and unnoticed if not for Ashley Cole's behaviour in mid-week.

All teams harrass the ref to a greater or lesser degree, the top four are the worst offenders though by far.

To put Masher in that bracket would be a fucking joke, though. It's clear the lad was getting pissed off at the inconsistencies from the ref (no way was his yellow card tackle worse than, say, Vidic getting Kuyt in the back of his head, for example). Gerrard and Carra were clearly worse to the ref than Torres yet Torres got booked. The ref, in my eyes, bottled and took the easy option every time. And how come Howard Webb (who was supposed to ref the game) not the referee in the end? The whole thing's a fucking shambles.

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To put Masher in that bracket would be a fucking joke, though. It's clear the lad was getting pissed off at the inconsistencies from the ref (no way was his yellow card tackle worse than, say, Vidic getting Kuyt in the back of his head, for example). Gerrard and Carra were clearly worse to the ref than Torres yet Torres got booked. The ref, in my eyes, bottled and took the easy option every time. And how come Howard Webb (who was supposed to ref the game) not the referee in the end? The whole thing's a fucking shambles.

I agree that Gerrard should have been booked, but Torres seemed to be trying to get another player booked which is supposed to be a yellow card. Mascherano was walking a tightrope the minute he was booked. He was lucky not to get a second yellow for his response to that. I don't think he is a particularly disrespectful player ordinarily but he was really pushing it on Sunday.

I don't really remember the inconsistencies you mention, but I'm not a fan of either of these teams which might explain it. I thought the ref had a decent game apart from not giving the penalty in the first few minutes.

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I agree that Gerrard should have been booked, but Torres seemed to be trying to get another player booked which is supposed to be a yellow card.

If trying to get another player booked is meant to be a yellow card (is that even the case?), then that's a glaring inconsistency right there because it happens all the fucking time.

Mascherano was a red card waiting to happen but aside from that Steve Bennett was still fucking useless. As ever.

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The annoying thing for me is that Macherano will now be labelled with the same tag/image as Ashley Cole, Ferdinand, Terry etc etc when this couldn't be further from the truth - he was fired up for a big game (unlike Gerrard :)) and he reacted very badly when his mate Torres was booked for complaining about the fouls being commited on him.

Whilst he's a great footballer, Mascherano is no saint.

He's your classic South American with his waving of imaginary cards and attempts to get players sent off, like with Aliadiare.

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To put Masher in that bracket would be a fucking joke, though. It's clear the lad was getting pissed off at the inconsistencies from the ref (no way was his yellow card tackle worse than, say, Vidic getting Kuyt in the back of his head, for example). Gerrard and Carra were clearly worse to the ref than Torres yet Torres got booked. The ref, in my eyes, bottled and took the easy option every time. And how come Howard Webb (who was supposed to ref the game) not the referee in the end? The whole thing's a fucking shambles.

Ahhh - don't book the well known English, book the foreigns! Racist ref?

Cept Ferdinand was booked. I'm not sure what for. But he should have been carded for trying to get Torres sent off. Does this mean the England captain of the day should have been sent off as well? Yes! :)

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how come Howard Webb (who was supposed to ref the game) not the referee in the end? The whole thing's a fucking shambles.

Perhaps the idea of Ferguson being able to influence who referees a match at Old Trafford isn't too far from the truth then! Apparently the Man U/Arsenal game is having a change of referee too! :)

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Perhaps the idea of Ferguson being able to influence who referees a match at Old Trafford isn't too far from the truth then! Apparently the Man U/Arsenal game is having a change of referee too! :)

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People are getting really carried away here. Mascherano is not a dirty player. He didn't try to get Aliadiere sent off. If he had been trying, I'm sure he would have been rolling around on the deck like most do after being struck in the face. Torres wasn't waving imaginary cards; he was asking for protection, and quite rightly. We've got one of the best disciplinary records in the league, and have done since Rafa took over. As I said: I'd probably welcome a bit of general nastiness to our play because it seems to get you decisions. Gerrard has been known to have a word with referees but doesn't usually get involved unless it concerns him directly. Carragher is another story but, by and large, our squad and manager play fair. As much as it pains me to say this: I think we're too fair at times.

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Maybe they will retrospectively ban pretty much every big name England player as well as the rest of the Chelsea team?

Then again maybe not.

If it means players harass the refs much less from now on I think it will be a good thing, but this ban on Mascherano couldnt have come at a worse time for us. Hopefully he will learn from it.

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Jesus Christ!

No, Alex Ferguson.

Anyway, it was meant a little tongue in cheek but why shouldn't something like this be possible? I still think its amazingly blinkered to think that its not possible for some type of corruption happening in the english game when there is so much money at stake.

I'll be annoyed if Mascherano receives more than a one game suspension but I won't be surprised. I just hope that if it does happen then this sort of thing is punished continually and not just forgot about when the media gets bored with it. If it is the case then I can see plenty of Chelsea and Man U players getting yellow cards this coming weekend. :)

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Masher did get more than one game...

Still bitter about it, me. On the Irish media they were complaining about the refereeing commity in this country (whatever it is) as a highly reactionary bunch of twats. One week it's 'clamp down on horror tackles' but as soon as Ferguson (of all the fucking people) talks about 'respecting the ref', that's the focus, rather than players failing to get protection. Load of balls.

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I am eager to find out the punishment Ferguson and Queiroz will receive for their comments about the ref in the Portsmouth cup game.

And amazingly this is dealt with much slower than the Mascherano sending off. :)

I doubt you will here anything till right at the end of the season.

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They should be banned from their upcoming games, def. In fact - they should have been banned from Sunday's game.

And, yes, Sir Al Ferguson will have sway/power over who refs when he moans.

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That's it.

I'm staying out of this thread until you lot get your foil fucking hats off.

Mission accomplished! Now just to get rid of the others...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ool/7316707.stm

Fucking full of shit. Yeah we were great with those two on sunday weren't we, thank god we had them!

And Man Utd wouldn't mind if they lost say Ronaldo and Rooney, I suppose? What utter shit.

Gerrard and Torres have scored 30 of our 55 league goals.

Ronaldo and Tevez have scored 36 of United's 59.

Hmmm.

Well done Stephane!

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Gerrard and Torres have scored 30 of our 55 league goals.

Ronaldo and Tevez have scored 36 of United's 59.

Hmmm.

Well done Stephane!

Yeh, we were pissing ourselves at this article, how the fuck do they allow this kind of stuff to be published.

I worked out Ronaldo has scored soemthing like 40% of uniteds goals on his own in the league...

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Also, how the fuck is the management meant to stop this terrible "Reliance on star players"?

A. Not buy any good players, just buy more Kuyts?

B. Buy 11 stars in one go, to even it out. Only be about £300m, ask Chelsea.

C. Rotate more so the stars aren't always being relied on (lol)

The media are fucking retarded.

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