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Nate Dogg III

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Mourinho - Arrogant and would make us hated the world over, he'd probably bring success with him, mind.

'Would make us'? :P

Ahem. Seriously though Mourinho would win you things. Quickly. And you'd love him as such.

Can't see it happening though really, I sincerely hope he ends up abroad because I just couldn't face seeing him managing you lot.

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'Would make us'? :P

Ahem. Seriously though Mourinho would win you things. Quickly. And you'd love him as such.

Can't see it happening though really, I sincerely hope he ends up abroad because I just couldn't face seeing him managing you lot.

I shudder to think of the theatrics our players would suddenly pick up on, as well as all the other cynical tricks his teams have been armed with. Look at the difference at Chelsea now he's gone. I know I don't dislike them nearly as much as I did when he was in charge. And the season before he joined, the one where you finished second I was cheering you on, hoping you'd win the league. Because you played an honest game and your manager was humble. There's no denying that he's quality, though. And I agree with you; I don't think it's likely at all.

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Nate Dogg III

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Sorry, Kelthink, I'll try and keep my smiley use in check. Just for you.

Dogsout - agree. I never wanted Ranieri replaced - I felt he would have won the title the following season anyway, and sacking a manager after second place in the Prem and a CL semi final is madness. Interesting that Roman binned him off because though we were playing nice football we weren't winning things and he wanted to win. Fast forward three years and, fed up with winning, he wants to be entertained. Ranieri could have done both for us - and he made Chelsea likeable which is not an easy thing to do. :lo - whoops, sorry Kelthink.

Mourinho would win you things and a tiny part of me wants him to get the job if only so I could ram three seasons' worth of MOANINHO LOL back down certain throats as you quickly come to appreciate the maxim 'sure, he's a cunt...but he's OUR cunt'. Especially if he were to take Lampard with him. I don't actually think he'd need to change the way Liverpool play very much as Benitez also sets you up to nullify the opposition first and foremost - he'd just make you more clinical up the other end which remains your biggest problem, and get the mentality sorted. The foundations are there.

But I can't see it happening - he's nailed on for the Barca job imo.

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I'm sailing from Belfast to Birkenhead on friday night, getting into Birkenhead at 6.30 on saturday morning, I'm not staying in Liverpool but I just thought today of trying to get to the game. I've never been to a proper match before and would like to visit Anfield before the move to the new stadium, do I have any chance of getting a ticket on the day? Maybe even in with the away supporters or something? I had a look on the club website but this is the only info I could find, if I understand it right if I buy a fan card I'd be able to get a ticket from the box office on the day if they've got any left?

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ras el hanout

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So we're stuck with them, then. Hey, they might turn out okay, I wouldn't worry too much about quotes. I mean, so they use some money from Liverpool to support their other teams, that's fine as long as there's enough money made, and you do make more money by being more successful, they do undertand this.

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So we're stuck with them, then.

Not necessarily. People supposedly in the know over at RAWK predicted back on Monday that this would be announced today, they've also maintained that DIC are still in talks with them.

Hey, they might turn out okay, I wouldn't worry too much about quotes. I mean, so they use some money from Liverpool to support their other teams, that's fine as long as there's enough money made, and you do make more money by being more successful, they do undertand this.

The money the club generates should go back into the club. Money I spend at games and on merchandise being put towards a new player for the Dallas Stars is just fucking wrong. Obviously they understand that you make more money by being successful but Hicks has already gone on record as saying sports are more about brand loyalty than winning. He saw the potential with tv rights and merchandising streams attached to a club that was on the market at a low price with an already installed huge and devoted fan base. He doesn't give a fuck if we ever win the league.

I'm just waiting for them to start talking to the press again, talking up the history and how the new stadium will do the fans proud etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they fronted the cash for Masch as well, as a peace offering. I'm not buying into their shit for a second time, though. I'll just have to hope DIC chase them out.

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Nate Dogg III

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The money the club generates should go back into the club. Money I spend at games and on merchandise being put towards a new player for the Dallas Stars is just fucking wrong.

Not really. He's a shareholder, he'll get dividends of the profits, he can do what he wants with them.

If he was physically taking money out of a Liverpool account and putting it into a Dallas one then fair enough but he can do what he likes with the money he makes for himself. Works both ways, too.

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Not really. He's a shareholder, he'll get dividends of the profits, he can do what he wants with them.

If he was physically taking money out of a Liverpool account and putting it into a Dallas one then fair enough but he can do what he likes with the money he makes for himself. Works both ways, too.

Yeah. Read the interview he did and explain it to him. He reckons the club will make loads of extra money that can be used on his two American sports franchises. Do you think he's going to take a little less out for himself personally so that he can give it to his other teams? I don't. I don't see any of the money his other successful franchises have made being used to help fund our stadium either. Shit, the money we've made as a club since they took over hasn't been used on the club. Rafa's net spend in the summer was less than the prize money from the Champions League run alone.

Before you say anything, I am aware that running a club is about more than transfer fees etc. I'm not worried that he'd actually do it, to be honest. I reckon it's just a bluff to try and keep fans of the Stars and Rangers onside because he puts fuck all into them nowadays as well by all accounts. They've played a shrewd game, though, I'll give them that.

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Not necessarily. People supposedly in the know over at RAWK predicted back on Monday that this would be announced today, they've also maintained that DIC are still in talks with them.

The money the club generates should go back into the club. Money I spend at games and on merchandise being put towards a new player for the Dallas Stars is just fucking wrong. Obviously they understand that you make more money by being successful but Hicks has already gone on record as saying sports are more about brand loyalty than winning. He saw the potential with tv rights and merchandising streams attached to a club that was on the market at a low price with an already installed huge and devoted fan base. He doesn't give a fuck if we ever win the league.

I'm just waiting for them to start talking to the press again, talking up the history and how the new stadium will do the fans proud etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they fronted the cash for Masch as well, as a peace offering. I'm not buying into their shit for a second time, though. I'll just have to hope DIC chase them out.

The money the club generates should go back to the club? Why would anybody want to buy it if that happened? It wouldn't even need an owner it's just look after itself. And you're cherry picking his quotes to suit your argument. Of course support is more important than winning titles.

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The money the club generates should go back to the club? Why would anybody want to buy it if that happened? It wouldn't even need an owner it's just look after itself. And you're cherry picking his quotes to suit your argument. Of course support is more important than winning titles.

Obviously he's entitled to his dividend. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. As I said: Do you honestly think he'll give himself a smaller dividend so that he can put some money into his other teams? I don't. Speak to any Rangers or Stars fans and you'll see that they think much the same of him as the majority of Liverpool fans do. It's a moot point anyway. As I've already said: I don't think he'd do it, he probably said it to try to charm fans of his American franchises, but that whole interview shows him up for having no clue about football and not a care in the world for our traditions or future success. He'll be happy enough with us securing a CL spot every season, keeping the fan base full of enough hope that maybe next year will be our year.

Devoted support is more important than winning titles if you want to make money. You're quite right. What's your point, though? I don't see how that's a good thing for us, considering his history in sports ownership. He didn't say support either, he said brand loyalty. It's business to him, he only sees £ signs sitting in seats when he takes in a game at Anfield (LOL). That's fair enough, it's what we expected. But we expected it to be done in the way they promised. You know, those promises they made when they took the club over which allowed them such a smooth introduction?

Did you know he has owned a football club before? I honestly don't mean to condescend here but I doubt that you did. Because if you did, you'd have seen the shit he pulled there and be worried he'll try the same thing here. I don't understand why you're lending him your support or even putting any faith into him and his intentions for the club at all. He's systematically broken promise after promise and he's fucked up other sporting institutions in the past.

Edit: I think that for me, this is much like the Rafa situation for you. I hope this all turns out to be nothing and Hicks turns us around and helps get us to where we want to be. I just don't believe he can/will.

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Obviously he's entitled to his dividend. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. As I said: Do you honestly think he'll give himself a smaller dividend so that he can put some money into his other teams? I don't. Speak to any Rangers or Stars fans and you'll see that they think much the same of him as the majority of Liverpool fans do. It's a moot point anyway. As I've already said: I don't think he'd do it, he probably said it to try to charm fans of his American franchises, but that whole interview shows him up for having no clue about football and not a care in the world for our traditions or future success. He'll be happy enough with us securing a CL spot every season, keeping the fan base full of enough hope that maybe next year will be our year.

Devoted support is more important than winning titles if you want to make money. You're quite right. What's your point, though? I don't see how that's a good thing for us, considering his history in sports ownership. He didn't say support either, he said brand loyalty. It's business to him, he only sees £ signs sitting in seats when he takes in a game at Anfield (LOL). That's fair enough, it's what we expected. But we expected it to be done in the way they promised. You know, those promises they made when they took the club over which allowed them such a smooth introduction?

Did you know he has owned a football club before? I honestly don't mean to condescend here but I doubt that you did. Because if you did, you'd have seen the shit he pulled there and be worried he'll try the same thing here. I don't understand why you're lending him your support or even putting any faith into him and his intentions for the club at all. He's systematically broken promise after promise and he's fucked up other sporting institutions in the past.

Edit: I think that for me, this is much like the Rafa situation for you. I hope this all turns out to be nothing and Hicks turns us around and helps get us to where we want to be. I just don't believe he can/will.

What's my point though? What does that mean? You picked out one quote that taken in isolation could mean something bad, I pointed out to you that it couldn't really. Brand loyalty or support IS more important than titles. So what's your point? I didn't highlight it, you did. And, you know, it's not like you found that quote is it? Somebody has pointed it out to you. Do you have the whole interview? Would you cry if he said that the money he made from one of his American franchises could be used for Liverpool? Of course you wouldn't

I'm not really lending him my support, but we're stuck with him. The Klinsmann business I don't really care about, as I've said, in their postition I'd have been looking for a new manager.

I don't recall you saying all this stuff about him fucking up football clubs before today, so, and I don't mean to condescend, did you read that somewhere today?

I'm mean, listen to us, we're all for DIC now.

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No actually, I didn't read that today. I read that back in November when I was busy telling you all not to be fooled by the hoo-hah revolving around Rafa's press conference. But feel free to keep accusing me of being fickle, and lead by the opinion of others. I also said that you should find that interview in its entirety. It's online in video form, maybe you should look it up. I was cringing throughout the whole thing.

Look, ramone. I don't want to fall out with you again because believe it or not I respect your opinion. I rarely agree with it but I respect it because it's clear to me that it is your own. I'd appreciate it if you could credit me with the ability to form my own opinions rather than accusing me of going along with popular opinion. I've read loads about this and not just recently. I've not been happy with them since May.

As for crying about them taking money out of their other franchises/clubs to give to us: I don't think that needs addressing; it's clear that will never happen, seeings as they secured the club with a loan, then went on to secure a further loan for the stadium against the club's assets. £105m debt secured against the club. Even under Moores, things were never that bad. And under Moores the manager still had the same amount of money to spend and knew that his job was secure. These fellas have taken over, promising us so much but delivering nothing, so far. Maybe that will change but looking at their history as owners of sporting institutions I think it is more likely that it will not. I hope I'm wrong on that score but I think our best bet is to hope DIC get them out and do things the right way.

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