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You guys are just trying to get a Riise out of me, aren't you? I'm going to hold my Pennant aloft and ask you to stop this Babelling...I'm off out to get some KFS[aunders!!!], and take the dog for a walk - where did I put the DALGLISH LOL!!!11

I'd best be Speedie though, it's getting dark and I need to get the cows into the Barnes, and the chickens into the Hutch, nnn, son yes...and shave my Beardsley. Man am I in a Rush today!

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There's more and more talk in the press of DIC stepping up an investment bid. Barret reckons they're set to offer Hicks a way out. I know a few of you in here were behind the owners back when Rafa had his little spat with them. I'd be interested to know what your thoughts on the subject are now. I made several posts about Hicks and the danger I thought he presented back then, and I feel the same now. His admission about the meeting with Klinsmann only served to reinforce my original stance; this was never about transfer funds.

I know the RTK lads have got another banner planned, and I know there are a few songs that have been prepared to help bring the message home. The game against Villa will no doubt be a strange one, with so many of the fans focusing their attention on the bigger picture, rather than the match.

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The thing about the DIC thing is that is may be completely morally 'wrong' or whatever, but a) it couldn't get much worse with Gin & Tonic, B) one of the main guys of DIC at least has an interest in Liverpool Football Club (let alone football full stop) and c) they're likely to actually have money, being ruthless business dudes from Dubai. I think.

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The thing about the DIC thing is that is may be completely morally 'wrong' or whatever, but a) it couldn't get much worse with Gin & Tonic, B) one of the main guys of DIC at least has an interest in Liverpool Football Club (let alone football full stop) and c) they're likely to actually have money, being ruthless business dudes from Dubai. I think.

He's been to Anfield more times than G&H have this season.

They do have more money as well. They wouldn't have to (or see fit to) riddle the club with debt in order to "build a fantastic stadium, fit for one of the most legendary football teams in the world", which thanks to G&H is going to turn out to be a piece of shit Parry Bowl by the looks of things.

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There's more and more talk in the press of DIC stepping up an investment bid. Barret reckons they're set to offer Hicks a way out. I know a few of you in here were behind the owners back when Rafa had his little spat with them. I'd be interested to know what your thoughts on the subject are know. I made several posts about Hicks and the danger I thought he presented back then, and I feel the same now. His admission about the meeting with Klinsmann only served to reinforce my original stance; this was never about transfer funds.

I know the RTK lads have got another banner planned, and I know there are a few songs that have been prepared to help bring the message home. The game against Villa will no doubt be a strange one, with so many of the fans focusing their attention on the bigger picture, rather than the match.

Well my big concern with them is that it now appears they don't have any money. I think they were right to tell Rafa, as our season was falling apart, to concentrate on the players he has. But, yeah, they're not much use without any money.

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Well my big concern with them is that it now appears they don't have any money. I think they were right to tell Rafa, as our season was falling apart, to concentrate on the players he has. But, yeah, they're not much use without any money.

ramone, at the time of their falling out with Rafa our season was far from falling apart. We were still unbeaten in the league. You only have to go back and look at our form in November to see that things were OK. We had a couple of poor results (a couple of draws in October) and we had been poor in the CL up until then, but their statement was nonsensical. Every single manager in Europe would have been planning for any potential activity in the January transfer window. All he wanted to do was meet up with them and discuss it. We now know that they were too busy having private meetings with Klinsmann to come over here and meet with the club's manager.

Agger's foot is fucked again. Had Rafa not been planning ahead and targeting cover in his position what sort of trouble could we be facing in the months to come? The way they handled that particular situation confirmed my fears to me. Rafa made a mistake in that press conference, nobody is saying otherwise, but they (Hicks in particular) have shown they have no clue about the club's traditions and they've shown themselves up as fucking liars as well.

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ramone, at the time of their falling out with Rafa our season was far from falling apart. We were still unbeaten in the league. You only have to go back and look at our form in November to see that things were OK. We had a couple of poor results (a couple of draws in October) and we had been poor in the CL up until then, but their statement was nonsensical. Every single manager in Europe would have been planning for any potential activity in the January transfer window. All he wanted to do was meet up with them and discuss it. We now know that they were too busy having private meetings with Klinsmann to come over here and meet with the club's manager.

That unbeaten in the league didn't wash with me in September, it's not going to wash now! And we were a catastrophe in the CL. Why would they be looking at Klinsmann if everything was fine? We did turn around the CL of course but out league form got worse.

I don't know, I get the feeling this whole mess is going to save Rafa. Now he's got an excuse for our poor Permiership form, and we've still only lost twice, that's less than Man U. I don't think our football would be any better if things were perfect with those two American clowns.

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That unbeaten in the league didn't wash with me in September, it's not going to wash now! And we were a catastrophe in the CL. Why would they be looking at Klinsmann if everything was fine? We did turn around the CL of course but out league form got worse.

I don't know, I get the feeling this whole mess is going to save Rafa. Now he's got an excuse for our poor Permiership form, and we've still only lost twice, that's less than Man U. I don't think our football would be any better if things were perfect with those two American clowns.

That's all fair enough. I know how you feel about Rafa and although I disagree, I'm not questioning your judgment on that. But they were looking at Klinsmann because it suited their agenda, not because of results or fucking transfer money. Come on, man. I was saying this shit before we even knew they met with Klinsmann!

If they took the view that Rafa is the wrong man for the job and decided they needed to replace him: so be it. I wouldn't agree but I could accept that. Who the fuck is advising them, though, if they think that Klinsmann is the answer to our problems? Seriously, what the fuck kind of bullshit appointment would that have been?

All of this is beside the point anyway. It's not just about Rafa now, it's about the whole club. They've been lying from the start. All of this security policy stuff is bollocks as well. Rafa is being pushed and it's to his credit that he hasn't jumped. I wanted DIC this time last year and I want them at the club even more now. If these two knobs stay in charge we'll end up with the stadium that was designed three years ago, God only knows who managing the team, Parry in charge of signing our targets again, the club riddled with debt and the possibility of losing our best players as they'll be secured as assets against the club's debt.

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That's all fair enough. I know how you feel about Rafa and although I disagree, I'm not questioning your judgment on that. But they were looking at Klinsmann because it suited their agenda, not because of results or fucking transfer money. Come on, man. I was saying this shit before we even knew they met with Klinsmann!

If they took the view that Rafa is the wrong man for the job and decided they needed to replace him: so be it. I wouldn't agree but I could accept that. Who the fuck is advising them, though, if they think that Klinsmann is the answer to our problems? Seriously, what the fuck kind of bullshit appointment would that have been?

All of this is beside the point anyway. It's not just about Rafa now, it's about the whole club. They've been lying from the start. All of this security policy stuff is bollocks as well. Rafa is being pushed and it's to his credit that he hasn't jumped. I wanted DIC this time last year and I want them at the club even more now. If these two knobs stay in charge we'll end up with the stadium that was designed three years ago, God only knows who managing the team, the club riddled with debt and the possibility of losing our best players as they'll be secured as assets against the club's debt.

Yeah, I agree, but trying to look on the brightside maybe they'll turn out okay, maybe it's not as bad as it seems. You were going on about the media agenda against Rafa, there's defintely one against the Americans and it seems justified, but might not be. I mean, who suggested Klinsmann to them? Hicks was a fool for letting slip about Jurgen but maybe it was just a back-up, as he says. It's not good either way though.

I wouldn't have killed myself if Klinsmann had taken over, you never, he might be awesome. At least it wouldn't be the same old story.

Thing is we're stuck with the owners so gotta be a bit optimistic on that front.I can't see DIC coming back

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Unfortunately:

Liverpool's American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have denied reports they are planning to sell the club.

Dubai International Capital, who failed in a bid to buy the club last January, have been linked with a second attempt.

It has been rumoured DIC are planning to bid for the 50% stake in Liverpool owned by Hicks.

A spokesman for the two Americans said: "Any suggestion Hicks and Gillett are contemplating a sale of the club or any portion of it is categorically untrue."

DIC founder and chairman Sameer Al-Ansari was the man responsible for the takeover bid a year ago, but Liverpool owner David Moores had a last minute change of heart and opted to sell to the Americans.

"It took me two weeks to get over that," said the 44-year-old al-Ansari, who is a Liverpool fan.

"But it didn't dent my passion - I still go to every match when I'm here."

Al-Ansari, who has also recently been linked with Sir Richard Branson's move to take over building society Northern Rock, has maintained contact with Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry.

The club's current owners have come under fire from supporters recently after it emerged they had held talks with Jurgen Klinsmann about replacing Rafael Benitez as manager.

Hicks and Gillett are in process of refinancing the loan they took out to buy the club and have the added pressure of an expensive new stadium to fund.

It is uncertain how Gillett's position at the club would be affected should the DIC group buy his partner's share at Anfield.

Funny how they're so quick to dispell rumours about selling the club and anything to do with the new stadium, but not so much on other issues...

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They're full of shit anyway. They've lied from the start, I don't trust a single word that slag Hicks has to say and Gillet has been so quiet one could almost forget he is co-owner. Nope, I think there's too much talk of interest from DIC at this point. I'm just going to continue hoping it comes off. It's interesting to see that DIC are saying they are "unable to comment at this stage", rather than denying having any interest.

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Man, I remember a guy who supported the American baseball team Hicks owns (I can't remember which) and he was saying how much Hicks had fucked the club over (basically that the wages of the players were the lowest in the league and because they had so many die-hard fans and no worry for relegation (because it doesn't exist) that it keeps making Hicks $fuckloads). Basically, :D

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Last smidgen of hope: there's a rumour floating around that DIC will buy the club very soon after this entire Gillette & Hicks debacle. A post from RAWK (which is a post from another LFC forum):

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Supposedly a good and trusted source for inside info from Anfield posts on football.com. here is his latest post -

The Dubai group were not best pleased when they were 'stabbed in the back' by Rick Parry back in December 2006.

During December 2006, D.I.C thought they had secured Liverpool, but due to 'mystery' leaks coming out from the Dubai Group, documents were gifted to Rick Parry, that he in turn gave to George Gillett. That enabled Gillett to form his speedy relationship with Tom Hicks.

Once they knew what D.I.C's final offer would be & when it was to be submitted, all they had to do was wait for D.I.C to make that final offer - then make there move.

I know from taking with my source that Tom Hicks is seen as the mover & shaker out of the pair.

George Gillett is a known - but if Tom Hicks is *issed - everyone knows quickly.

As I said before, there has been a power struggle going on at Anfield - kinda like a triangle - Gillett & Hicks - Hicks & Benitez.

Things at the moment are strained, but at a stalemate.

But taking all the unrest out of the equation, it is known that the American pair are facing serious difficulty in re-financing there original loan.

Liverpool FC was paid for exclusively by The Royal Bank of Scotland.

Hicks & Gillett have not put 1 cent of there own money into the "Liverpool Project'.

Credit crunch - my *rse.

If they are businessmen worth there salts - they will have known problems were on the horizon.

The problem for the pair is they borrowed 220 million originally & in the following months that debt climbed to over 350 million.

Wigs within Anfield are aware, as it has been made known to certain individuals within the club -

D.I.C are ready to make a 500+ million pound hostile take over.

D.I.C are not in an every day scenario now - they know that money is a big problem for the Americans & they will do exactly to the Americans as they did to D.I.C.

They know they only have to bide there time - which is soon to be here.

The Royal Bank of Scotland have told Hicks & Gillett - in order to get there loan re-financed, they have to put up a minimum of 20 million each, from there own personal fortunes.

Gillett is prepared as it seems he does have a love for the club (well more than just money) but Hicks is not willing to play ball.

Even if he does agree, Hicks is too shrewd not to know that this 'Project' is going to make massive inroads in to his own personal fortune - which he is not prepared to do.

Opinions shared within Liverpool, are that Hicks will agree to the re-financing terms, but if as expected D.I.C come in with a bid that see Hicks make a profit - however small - he will say thank you, then cut & run.

Gillett will be forced to take the same route if Hicks withdraws.

D.I.C are said to be offering the pair 50+ million each profit.

D.I.C have made it known to Hicks & Gillett, they are prepared to discuss takeover talks & the amounts involved & it's just a matter of time before they take place.

The majority of the money men in the city share the opinion that Hicks & Gillett won't even make the revised deal that's on offer from The Royal Bank of Scotland & again D.I.C would jump in.

D.I.C have already held talks with The Royal Bank of Scotland & are understood to have come to an agreement on how the deal with the bank would go through, if the Americans fail to re-negotiate the current deal.

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has agreed that Sameer Al Ansari, a self confessed Liverpool fan can move when he feels the time is right.

The moves are ready to be played out & it looks very much like Liverpool FC is going to be owned by two owners within a very short space of time.

Ansari has made it clear D.I.C will invest massively in Liverpool, with the new stadium & new players being top priority.

These men are obscenely rich & have equally wealthy backers in all four corners of there world.

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is the current Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates, whilst also being the ruler of Dubai & he along with his friends want to put Liverpool at the top of world football.

I know most Chairmen say the same thing when they arrive, but these guys are different.

Is it purely for footballing reasons?

Or is it maybe to do with things that go a lot deeper than football - like politics.

Who knows - but they are serious & will not stop until they get what they want this time.

One thing is for sure - Rick Parry will be a distant memory by the time D.I.C bring over there people to watch the first game as owners of Liverpool football club.

More on this to follow - be sure of that.

**UPDATE**

Well word is things are moving fast within Liverpool.

I have been up in Liverpool today & got back just a little while ago.

Speaking to my friend who I met with for over 2 hours, he says that Hicks & Gilletts plans have been thrown in to chaos due to the Liverpool board.

The board object to plans the Americans have regarding the re-financing of the loan they took out to purchase Liverpool.

Hicks & Gillett want to put the loan - 100% against the clubs assets - which the board are saying cannot happen & WILL NOT happen.

Honorary Life Vice Presidents at the club, along with Mr Moores have demanded the pair keep to the promise both made when they arrived at Liverpool.

Im told legal advice has already been taken - incase events force the board to act.

However, it is said the bank will not agree to the terms Tom Hicks proposed regarding the refinancing of the debt & a large part of that decision is due to certain Liverpool people making strenuous objections to the Royal Bank of Scotland.

The Bank, want to pair to inject millions from there personal wealth - something that Tom Hicks will not let happen.

Whats STUNNING to hear, is some on the Liverpool board have been informed that moves are already 'well underway regarding the SALE OF Liverpool to Dubai International Capital.

He said that news suggesting the American pair appear to have decided to sell up is rife within Anfield.

The Dubai International Capital group are determinded to get Liverpool & my friend says its 'old news' that D.I.C have already started the process of due diligence.

He said, things have been underway for sometime.

He said things got serious after Hicks & Gillett met with D.I.C wigs last November.

As I said before they tried to sell 15% of Liverpool to the D.I.C group for £150 million.

It was flatly turned down - but D.I.C are said to have told the American pair during those talks that they would be returning in the New Year to 'Complete the takeover'.

D.I.C have confirmed they remain interested in acquiring Liverpool, but on the news coming out from Anfield tonight that Hicks & Gillett have already agreed the sale to Dubai International Capital a Spokesperson said:

"Im sorry, but we can only say 'No Comment' at this stage"

This is a story that is going to run & run, so there will be more on this to follow in the coming days, that is for sure.

This is where the rumour of Moores taking Legal Advice has come from

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