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Rev

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The odd bit is the massive rush to get Navas done when they had another 18 hours for that. They had de Gea in the system, just put that through and then sort the rest later. It seems highly unlikely Real were poised to try and sneak off with Navas if they got a chance.

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Gabe

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I wonder what happened. As Sid Lowe points out, Madrid's excuses don't really hold water. They moan that United didn't open negotiations until Monday, but that makes no sense. Were they expecting United to come to them, begging them to buy our player of the year? It was up to them to make an offer. United's statement just says no offer was received from Madrid until Monday. There's some weird double-speak in the Madrid statement,

Like I said above, doesn't it feel a bit like Madrid were just messing with you in the end? It's all so odd, a chance to get a player they've courted - very publically - for 2 years and it falls apart right at the death when it is seemingly in their control. Maybe the alleged changes are the key here - perhaps when Man U didn't agree to them, Madrid decided it wasn't worth it?

I wonder when the real story will all come out - it should be fascinating.

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tonymg

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If he plays, which is likely with the Euros coming up, he could again be the difference between making the champions league or not, which is worth more than the money Real were offering. We've also just spent 36 million on an inexperienced teenager, money really isn't an issue.

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i cant believe man u are so blase about losing out on 30 mil for him.

18mil he's valued at because of the final year.

The other 11mil was Navas' value.

I think if he has a season like last year then 18mil is fine to lose out. Leaving him on the bench will be bad business.

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MojoChin

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Del Bosque basically came out and said that he needs to be playing well and regularly to get into the Euros, so maybe it will give him some onus to continue putting the effort in until he moves next year.

What's the chances he would accept a crackerjack contract offer to him in the next year? [/wishful thinking]

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18mil he's valued at because of the final year.

The other 11mil was Navas' value.

I think if he has a season like last year then 18mil is fine to lose out. Leaving him on the bench will be bad business.

fair enough, thanks, didnt realise he was down to 18mil, obviously knew he was out of contract in summer.

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AlwaysBeClosing

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Been away so only just caught up on all of this. What a mess, a complete shambles that I can barely recognise as United anymore. Incredibly disappointed that Januzaj went, as well as selling Hernandez for pittance. We have no stability and it only makes me wonder how long we have to put up with Van Gaal - he has one more year on his contract after this season I think? We have two of the best keepers in the world and neither of them playing. :lol: What happened to our youth players? Our consistency? We're another faceless team like City and Chelsea.

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MojoChin

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I'm still not sure why Van Gaal gets apportioned so much blame with regards to our transfer dealings. It's not the same manager/chair relationship as Ferguson/Gill. Woodward obviously has a lot more input into the situation that Gill ever did. But what Gill did have was impeccable negotiating skills. Woodward seems to go in trying to be the big man, loses out massively, accepts no responsibility and says "At least I tried". How many big name signings were we linked to and lost out massively on during the Gill/Ferguson years? I can think of Ronaldinho...Whereas during this ONE transfer window, we've been linked to Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar, Muller, Pedro, Ramos...How many did we end up with?

Woodward stinks of complete naivety and bravado. Van Gaal, will give a list of players he wants and players he wants to get rid of. Woodward then makes the moves. De Gea's (non)transfer was Real's fault too in my opinion, so we'll not place blame on either Van Gaal or Woodward for that.

As for LVG's handling of Valdes and De Gea, I'm going to back him on that. Valdes refused to play football for the team, it doesn't matter that it was for the U21's. He wasn't going to get in ahead of De Gea, so did he just want to sit on the bench constantly? He should do what he's told and have a game for the U21's. As for De Gea, yes we would have probably beaten Swansea with him in nets, but letting him have a spell on the bench while a transfer was organised doesn't seem like the worst thing in the world. I probably would have done the same in my Football Manager game. ;)

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Bleeders

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News out of Spain is that Dave will sign a new contract putting us in a stronger position when negotiating with Real should it come to fruition.

The blame is apportioned to Real in this, I can't see how they can say otherwise. They've had TWO months to sort this out, which tells me that they don't really want Dave as much as they'd have us believe.

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Liamness

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That seems like wishful thinking, I've read that the agreement he signed with Madrid takes account of the possibility of the deal not being done this summer, and gives him a big signing on fee when he does join. He may possibly be wondering how much Madrid really want him, given that they clearly didn't try that hard to push the deal through, but then again we were asking for a lot of money.

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Majora

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Goalkeeper valuations are weird. Di Maria did fuck all last season and still carried a fee of around 45 million. De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers in the world, pretty much single-handedly got us into the CL and would win nearly any team numerous points each season, yet the world record fee for a keeper is only about 32 million which is pitifully low by modern standards.

Why is it that so many player go for so much more when there are very few players who can win you as many points as a world class goalkeeper?

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Liamness

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Top class attacking players are more marketable, probably make a bigger impact on their team's level of success (see Spurs / Liverpool without Bale / Suarez) and are thinner on the ground than excellent goalkeepers. Begovic for instance is a terrific keeper, but will be mostly warming Chelsea's bench this season. Also if the keeper is well protected, he doesn't necessarily need to be incredible. Possibly the only exception to this is if you want to play a very high line and have the keeper sweep up behind the defence, there's very few who are capable of doing that reliably.

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I think ABC nailed it.

The goalkeeper is arguably the most important player in the team, second perhaps to a prolific striker. As we've seen, having good players all over the park keeping possession and shutting down the opposition doesn't actually win you the match in the final evaluation. Matches are won by putting the ball in the net at one end and keeping it out of the other. If you win a match by one goal and your keeper has made a brilliant save, he's won you those two points.

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I wonder if we'll see a reversion to the 4-1-2-3 we played near the end of last season. It only came undone when we had to play Blind in the holding role rather than Carrick.

The 4-2-3-1 just feels too rigid and cautious, and it's far harder for us to engineer those overloads down the flanks that so successfully opened up teams.

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Rev

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James Wilson to Derby done apparently. Tell me all about him. I imagine we've promised a lot of game time which is strange when we already have Martin, Bent and Weimann.

Was slightly hoping Wednesday were going to get him. Bah.

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