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Liamness

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Superb move for the first goal, one of the best I've seen from us all season. Then quite a poor goal to concede immediately after. Shame because we were dominating.

Fellaini is breaking the play up well, for both sides. His tendency to let things get away from him, then concede a foul to compensate, is killing off moves. I get why you'd want him to be further up when we're launching it, but when we're playing it along the floor I'd prefer him to be deeper, helping out Blind. Who doesn't seem to be getting as much support from the two on the side of the diamond as he might want. I like the midfield selection but we'd be better off with Blind and Fellaini in a double pivot, then Herrera and Di Maria in freer roles ahead of them.

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If there's any consolation, it's that the teams around us competing for champions league places don't seem to have any consistency either. Another season out of the Champions league presumably wouldn't be disastrous financially (the new TV deal and rising commercial income will likely make up most of the lost revenue) but it's untenable all the same. Would probably limit the signings we could make in other ways, and would make things harder for us when we finally do get back in the competition (in terms of our coefficient).

Aside from a 15 minute spell, a pretty wretched performance again creating next to nothing and having lots of meaningless possession. Given that we have games against Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea to come, I doubt we'll make top four.

Really? I thought it was one of our better performances. There was some fantastic sustained pressure in the second half before they went ahead. Our possession was not meaningless as you say, chances were created, with better finishing we would've been able to put the game to bed before Gomis' goal. Unfortunately that took a bit of the wind out of our sails, and we weren't able to regain the momentum.

I think having the option to hoof it to Fellaini is all when and good, but when we're up against it that seems to be all we do. Sure, go for the long option occasionally to mix it up, or if there are only moments left in the game, but it makes us so predictable when that's all we do. We looked a lot more threatening keeping it on the floor.

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Not qualifying wont break the bank but it will mean less income than (potentially) Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool, which may make following seasons harder. All will benefit from additional TV money. Dunno how Tottenham's finances stack up really - they've just won the last court battle to rebuild White Hart lane so presumably a fair few £££ going there and less on players.

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Fabianski hardly had a save to make all match, same with De Gea. Our attacking play generally involved making our way into their final third before a last ditch tackle prevented the ball troubling their keeper. We kept trying to walk it in. Herrera's well taken goal was the only time we was afforded space in that area of the pitch.

Having 64% of the ball and losing is meaningless possession in my book. We had 18 shots, 3 of which were on target. The only real positives was Herrera providing that link between midfield and attack. Something we've been missing for weeks and I thought Young was decent when he came on; Rooney done alright as well.

RVP will be out for a few games at least now, so hopefully Wilson can get a run. We desperately need a striker running in behind defences, since we're entirely predictable in our attacks.

I'm hoping Carrick is back sooner rather than later, we've missed him IMO

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I think Herrera's weaknesses are natural for someone adjusting to english football. I think he will eventually settle into a box-to-box role for us.

RVP will be out for a few games at least now, so hopefully Wilson can get a run. We desperately need a striker running in behind defences, since we're entirely predictable in our attacks.

I think Wilson is still a little raw, he can't start every game. Shipping off Hernandez to Madrid and selling Welbeck looks a bit silly now, they're both so quick and have really intelligent movement. Rooney and Van Persie are both excellent strikers for other reasons, but if we are going to stick with two up front, it makes more sense to pair them with someone more dynamic.

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Since their purchase:

5 x Premier League

1 x Champions League

3 x League Cup

5 x Charity Shield

1 x World Club Cup

Broke Premier League transfer record for Di Maria

Pretty sure the trophy haul would be more if we had access to the money they have taken to pay off debt. Also not just monetary but the effect they have had on the support, causing division and bad feeling and also souring the relationship between Fergie and fans, kind of putting a downer on his legacy.

If you guys love the glazers fair play to you, but i prefer utd without them :)

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Pretty sure the trophy haul would be more if we had access to the money they have taken to pay off debt. Also not just monetary but the effect they have had on the support, causing division and bad feeling and also souring the relationship between Fergie and fans, kind of putting a downer on his legacy.

If you guys love the glazers fair play to you, but i prefer utd without them :)

I don't love them but I genuinely don't sense any difference before and after them. As owners go, they seem to be very hands-off which is fine by me.

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I don't love them but I genuinely don't sense any difference before and after them. As owners go, they seem to be very hands-off which is fine by me.

So you're not aware of FC utd or the green and gold campaign or the 1 billion they will have taken out of the club?

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Since their purchase:

5 x Premier League

1 x Champions League

3 x League Cup

5 x Charity Shield

1 x World Club Cup

Broke Premier League transfer record for Di Maria

Since Ferguson left:

Fuck all bar a pre season friendly against lower league opposition.

Example of how the owners have fractured and irrevocably damaged the fanbase:

Season ticket holders banned from attending league games they've already paid for because they didn't want/ couldn't make a cup games replay.

I don't love them but I genuinely don't sense any difference before and after them. As owners go, they seem to be very hands-off which is fine by me.

Yep, just the small matter of putting the clubs existence in danger so they could make some cash, whilst taking nearly a billion out.

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Businesses make money, and can be used in that way. Football is not exempt from money-making or business deals.

What do those two things have to do with this? What's your point?

My point is the Glazers ownership has divided fans making us for the first time ever, not 'united'. My point about the billion pounds is that i would have prefferred that spent on the team, the ground, lowering ticket prices, pies for anderson, in fact pretty much anything except going to the glazers. Yeah i understand that utd are a business and the possibility of having jerks as owners but i dont have to be all happy about it. If even one utd fan has felt like they dont belong or cannot continue watching then that is too many in my opinion. Then there is the souring of Sir Alexs legacy, it really is just a travesty. Are you saying that they have not had ANY influence on the pitch? Pretty sure that billion pounds would have made our midfieeld a bit surer over the years, maybe scholes wouldnt have had to come back, maybe we keep pogba, hell maybe we would be lining up with ronaldo and bale on our wings right now. To just be blind and say they havent had any impact is just ludicrous to me :S

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Divided for what reason? So many millions spent this season, and so much since the Glazers took over. Our spending hasn't been hindered. A billion spent on players? You're mad. Every season we've spent tens of millions that any team in the bottom half of the Premier League would be desperate to have. Look at how much we've spent; the money hasn't been held back. In comparison to City? Sure. No one can match them aside from Chelsea of late. To expect more is entitlement, nothing more.

His legacy wasn't soured - he never felt hindered and made that known when he had to. Pogba wasn't kept because of his attitude, according to Ferguson. I'm fine with that. Sure, it'd be great to have him, but it wasn't to be. Ronaldo was always going to Real, nothing would have stopped him.

Maybe you think it's crazy, but I prefer to look at what was spent and not at ridiculous expectations from a club that has earned success and lived from it.

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I never said i wanted a billion spent on players, like i said above i would have liked the money spread around on varioous things.

You nailed it in your last sentence, were a club that has earned succes and lived from it which is how i want to be, not one saddled with debt and owners taking money out for themselves on a whim. Ideally some sort of supporter owned situation would be ideal for me, maybe like some of the german models?

If you cant see how or why the glazers divided the fanbase, then i'm not going to be able to explain it to you here am i? the green and gold campaign and fc united must have gone over your head.

as for Fergie, he basically became a yes man for the glazers and i know for a fact there are a lot of supporters who have lost respect for him because of this. Do you read any fanzines or attend supporters meetings or suchlike?

Minor detail but pogba situation was down to better deal with Juve, and a lot of that was to do with agents fees, thats according to meulensteen in the latest issue of UWs, in an interview, and i think he is a more trustworthy source than fergie unfortunately. Ronaldo, who knows? why was he alwasy going to real?

If youre happy with the spending then so be it, hope you havent moaned last few seasons about the midfield though and defence!! Like i said, if youre happy with teh glazers then so be it, but you need to be aware that many utd fans are not and i dont think loyal matchgoing reds of many years would turn their backs on the club and form their own club lightly, they didnt do it just cos we didnt sign sneidjer either you know

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Businesses make money, and can be used in that way. Football is not exempt from money-making or business deals.

What do those two things have to do with this? What's your point?

Which is the entire crux of the issue. People aren't treated as fans but solely as customers at United.

It's pay up, sit down, shut up. Don't moan or make a banner, as that will be confiscated along with your ticket.

They aren't interested one bit in what fans think, as proven by the literally zero dialogue they've engaged in with the media or fans in the decade they've been here. Absolutely everything is done in secrecy, there is no transparency.

One of the first things they did was raise ticket prices by 50% and introduces the Automatic Cup Scheme (ACS). The ACS means that a season ticket holder MUST buy all games for the FA Cup and Europe whether they want, or can even afford, to attend.

£30+ per cup game on top of a £650+ season ticket. Carling Cup games aren't mandatory but if you don't buy them too then you can't apply for away games. So at the least a guaranteed another £100 for the CL group. Remind me, when does the FA Cup start for a PL side?

This is why cup games are sold out and the attendance read out is maxxed- but you look at the stadium and there's obvious gaps, people who have a ticket simply haven't attended. Maybe they couldn't be arsed going, maybe they didn't want to travel from Essex in January when there was all that snow. Maybe they simply couldn't get the time off work.

You have to give them card details when you buy a ST so they can bill you for the cup game. If the card expires and they can't bill you then you either sort it or get banned from the next home game. Morally, ethically what everally how can they ban you from a league game you've already paid for and not reimburse?

I mean seriously, hand on heart even if you agree with nothing I say, do you think the ticket price is OK? That the ACS is acceptable? That it's fine to ban people from a product they've already paid for because they didn't want additional things?

What will be interesting is if we finish in the Europa spot will they include Thursday night football as part of the ACS? Last time around they didn't as it was a result of finishing 3rd in the CL. If it happens this time it'll be a guaranteed minimum number of games from the setup of it being a league.

You tell me which is more preferable:

A- Owners that come in and maintain cheap, affordable ticket prices that are easily amongst the lowest in the league. They revitalise and heavily invest in the local area, regenerating it and genuinely doing good things for local people whether they like football or not. They provide quality facilities to the public and youth. They provided many local jobs in all sorts of industries, whilst paying the living wage to people they directly employ. Owners that used their own money to finance the purchase of the club and all the new facilities.

They also transformed the team from a complete joke to one capable of winning the league.

B- Owners that have squeezed the absolute maximum out and spent the cash on debt repayments, bond buybacks and interest. Owners that banked the money from a then world record sale before spending that cash on said bond buybacks. Owners that bought an asset with none of their own cash and placed all liabilities onto the club they bought. They have none of the risk for all of the profit.

Of course option A is a pipe dream and would never, ever happen.

Except it did, only our neighbours owners are derided as bad for football by acting in this way and everything the Glazers do is hunky dory despite acting solely in greed whilst putting the clubs future in jeopardy.

Imagine this. The Glazers didn't use an ethically wrong leveraged buyout, they used their own cash. Only they couldn't afford it so they didn't do this. Anyway, imagine they did have the cash. Maybe, just maybe, if the near billion they stole didn't need to be taken to pay for interest, bond buybacks and debt repayments.

Then maybe, they might have less aggressively chased income than they have.

Football isn't a product where you can say "you know what Claire, I don't agree with how Cadburys have treated people, I'm buying Nestle". People have an irrational emotional attachment and they know this, our owners do their utmost to maximise it to the fullest extent.

In an utterly futile and pointless move I deliberately haven't given any money to the club since the parasites took over in 2005. Yet here I am typing a fucking essay in the middle of the night on the club. Funnily enough I don't feel the need to complain about the price of frozen chips I just change brand. That's one way in which they've broken the fanbase, by deliberately exploiting it.

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Bit tight taking Falcao off after he's just won a penalty, but I guess it makes sense given the threat he's shown overall. The control he showed in the box to draw the foul was sublime though, probably the best thing I've seen him do in a United shirt.

Rooney is now playing as a number 9. Takes me back.

No Mata, again. After playing for much of the first half of the season in uncomfortable positions (on the side of a diamond, or played alongside fellow 'central midfielder' Rooney) now we're playing a system that could accommodate him in a more natural position, and he's on the bench which is becoming a familiar sight. Di Maria has been poor, why hasn't he been given a chance? Surely after we got the goal, he would've been a better option to come on than Fellaini.

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