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feltmonkey

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i like that Moyes has basically said, "i'm not blaming anyone, but it was Woodward's fault." :lol: out of the two new guys, perhaps we sacked the wrong one!

worryingly, there's a clause in the Adidas contract that if United fail to qualify for the Champion's League, there's a 30% reduction in fees paid. we won't make top four with the current squad, i think.

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i wonder if that's the last we'll see of 3-5-2? if so, a lot of pre-season was a bit pointless.to be honest, there's not much you can read into this result. we were always going to be in trouble with so many defenders having left, and others injured. Woodward remains a big problem for the club, he's simply shit at buying players. other clubs just go and buy them, i'm not sure what our problem is. talk of a £200m "warchest" seems likely to have been complete horseshit at this point. we also played too many games and did too much traveling pre-season. LVG didn't have enough time to communicate his ideas in training, and we've ended up with a long injury list before we've even started. again, that's the fault of the club's "commercial arm" impacting negatively on the field. are we a football club? we seem to be more interested in making money.

Second half of this is just an Arsenal thread post from 2011.

We figured Wenger and/or Gazidis were fucking about, but really it turned out there just wasn't any money. Chances are Woodward has got fuck all to play with too.

Polar opposite reasons for the lack of money though, obviously.

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I'm gonna say it.

I think as more time passes we are becoming less attractive to new players. No Champions League, no crazy wages (ie City), no formidable squad and many international players prefer living in London, hence would rather go to Chelsea or Arsenal.

I'm no fan of Moyes but it's interesting how everyone is blaming Woodward (even Moyes!) instead of the manager now that LVG is at the helm.

I also feel we should have signed Sanchez from Barca - can't believe Arsenal got him.

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Now Ashley Young is officially a wing back I cannot wait to see him drafted in as emergency centre back cover in a cold away game to say Burnley mid-injury crisis. MU desperately need a good defender.

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Bleeders

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Not yet officially confirmed by either club, but Marcos Rojo has confirmed he'll be joining us.

Pretty much spot on from Miguel Delaney and indicative of the current regime when we're quibbling over an alleged difference of £2m for a player.

Recent Investors presentation, nice to see all this money the club is making is being funneled back into improving our squad...

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I'm gonna say it.

I think as more time passes we are becoming less attractive to new players. No Champions League, no crazy wages (ie City), no formidable squad and many international players prefer living in London, hence would rather go to Chelsea or Arsenal.

I'm no fan of Moyes but it's interesting how everyone is blaming Woodward (even Moyes!) instead of the manager now that LVG is at the helm.

I also feel we should have signed Sanchez from Barca - can't believe Arsenal got him.

To be fair though, if Moyes genuinely thought that Utd would splash out to get Bale, Ronaldo and Fabregas in one transfer window then he was incredibly stupid/naive.

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To be fair though, if Moyes genuinely thought that Utd would splash out to get Bale, Ronaldo and Fabregas in one transfer window then he was incredibly stupid/naive.

+1 fully agree on that, was pretty surprised to read that, especially him believing we would get Ronaldo.

My point stands that clearly there is an issue with us being able to do our business like the other clubs.

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Ha, well, quite. That interview was interesting in that it didn't really tell you anything. It certainly didn't seem to indicate he really knew what he did wrong, or how to fix it. The fact that only now, with the benefit of hindsight, does he think he should have tried playing a different style is odd. None of that excuses the way United treated him, of course.

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Not yet officially confirmed by either club, but Marcos Rojo has confirmed he'll be joining us.

Pretty much spot on from Miguel Delaney and indicative of the current regime when we're quibbling over an alleged difference of £2m for a player.

Recent Investors presentation, nice to see all this money the club is making is being funneled back into improving our squad...

That ESPN article makes depressing reading. The Rojo transfer isn't exactly marquee, is it? Apparently Di Maria is most likely to be the big signing, although I'm at a loss to work out where he's going to play in a 3-5-2. The only position for him is the Mata role. I honestly don't think he's a better player than Januzaj, either. FFS we need a world class central midfielder and about 6 defenders.

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Say we sign only Rojo, the best line-up I can see us fielding is below. Smalling can cover in CB, Jones can go to RB and Rojo to LB. That means we need another CB as I don't fancy Blackett, or any of the other yougsters, in there again.

But then we have Valencia and Januzaj who can play in the WB positions, although Januzaj didn't do much wingbacking on Saturday, but nowhere else in this system. (Well Januzaj can fill in for Mata maybe.)

Where does Di Maria fit in? The likes of Vidal would certainly come in and partner Herrera, but what else do we need, and what other people on the market can come into the 1st team when full strength? I honestly don't know what we do from here!

I think 2 CBs, one which can cover LB, and a centre midfielder is about what we need, I don't know if Di Maria will be better than the front 3 we have, with Januzaj coming through too.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness...It makes sense in my head.

             De Gea      Jones   Evans   RojoRafael                    Shaw      Carrick   Herrera            Mata      Rooney    Van Persie
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Yeah, I agree with what you've got there, but it seems LVG is not a fan of Raphael, so he's unlikely to be first choice at RWB, and there's evidence he doesn't like Shaw either!

Blind would be a good signing as he would be a good option in midfield and could cover LWB too.

Di Maria might well just be more hot air, or even an "appease the fans" type of signing (not going to work - you'd have to be an extremely casual fan not to realise he's not the sort of player we need, despite his obvious quality.)

I wonder who the player was who we missed out on for the sake of £2m. Fabregas? Kroos? Of course it could be a minor signing, in which case £2m becomes significant. I'm not hugely inclined to give Woodward the benefit of the doubt though.

If I was picking the team right now I'd go 4-3-3. That youth player would have to play left back, the front three would be Rooney supported by Januzaj and either Mata or Kagawa, with the midfield three being Fletch and Herrera sitting and possibly Kagawa in a more advanced midfield role. That would be a bit too close to 4-2-4 for comfort though, with too many players through the middle, as Mata would drift inside.

This is before RVP gets fit, of course.

I dunno.

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so thats us back with 2 leftbacks

He should be able to play on the left in a back three, which is great because we didn't have anyone who would be truly comfortable there. He won't be playing wing-back for us I don't think, even with Shaw out I think Young will be preferred, but he might play on the left in a back four. If we hadn't signed anyone then throughout the season, considering injuries, there would've been a lot more games like Saturday's. Could still do with another defender, unless we're content to let Blackett learn by doing.

I've read that the release clause was something like £23m so realistically letting Nani go on loan has saved us £3m. He wasn't going to do anything for us this season (particularly if we stick with the 3-5-2) so why not. If he does well there it might increase interest in him. I guess with the third party owners putting pressure on, the deal would've eventually gone through even with our original bid, but that would've been after legal action presumably and we need him now.

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To be fair though, if Moyes genuinely thought that Utd would splash out to get Bale, Ronaldo and Fabregas in one transfer window then he was incredibly stupid/naive.

In fairness to Moyes it just reads that they were interested in them at one point or another, and while it looks hilariously unlikely in isolation none of them are completely improbable. Fabregas clearly wasn't part of Barca's long term plans, British players don't always opt for the continental options and Ronaldo rarely misses an opportunity to say how much he'd like to come back to United at some point (and Real are happy to sell their galacticos, Ozil last year and probably Di Maria this year). Obviously we didn't sign any of them though.

I wonder who the player was who we missed out on for the sake of £2m. Fabregas? Kroos? Of course it could be a minor signing, in which case £2m becomes significant. I'm not hugely inclined to give Woodward the benefit of the doubt though.

The reports makes it sound like the 2 million was for Vermaelen although I only skimmed over it. The article does fail to address the fact that Arsenal didn't seem particularly happy selling to United so didn't have to accept any bids, especially when other clubs showed an interest.

I can't believe that post Herrera/Shaw the only player we've managed to sign is Rojo, the lack of players leaving is also a bit of a worry.

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Yeah, I agree with what you've got there, but it seems LVG is not a fan of Raphael, so he's unlikely to be first choice at RWB, and there's evidence he doesn't like Shaw either!

Blind would be a good signing as he would be a good option in midfield and could cover LWB too.

Di Maria might well just be more hot air, or even an "appease the fans" type of signing (not going to work - you'd have to be an extremely casual fan not to realise he's not the sort of player we need, despite his obvious quality.)

I wonder who the player was who we missed out on for the sake of £2m. Fabregas? Kroos? Of course it could be a minor signing, in which case £2m becomes significant. I'm not hugely inclined to give Woodward the benefit of the doubt though.

If I was picking the team right now I'd go 4-3-3. That youth player would have to play left back, the front three would be Rooney supported by Januzaj and either Mata or Kagawa, with the midfield three being Fletch and Herrera sitting and possibly Kagawa in a more advanced midfield role. That would be a bit too close to 4-2-4 for comfort though, with too many players through the middle, as Mata would drift inside.

This is before RVP gets fit, of course.

I dunno.

What makes you think LvG doesn't like Shaw or Rafael? The two best players we have on our books to play the wing back role in his preferred 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 as he likes to call it.

I'm not sure what the best system is with our current crop of players to be honest. I think we really miss Welbeck, who has the pace to trouble teams which can give other players space. The game against Swansea was so slow for us in the build and it did quicken up in the second half it still wasn't anything like we saw.

It's going to be interesting to see how we line up against Sunderland at the weekend for sure. Who knows, might even get another signing in before then...

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We could sign a cardboard box and it would be more effective than Fellaini. When he played on Saturday I genuinly wanted him to do something, anything, but he was shit, again. As good as Blackett and Keane may end up it would be incredibly risky to go the whole season without another center half. None of the current group have got spotless injury records and we know how we've suffered in previous years when we've had a glut of injuries (Carrick, Fletcher and Evra in a 3 man defence anyone?).

In terms of formation I think we'll switch regularly between 3-4-1-2 and 4-3-3 and it would be easy to accommodate Di Maria. I don't agree that Mata was a signing to appease the fans either, Kagawa has never managed to impose himself when give the opportunity. The fact Moyes couldn't get the best out of him (Mata) is neither here nor there really.

Without another center-back we will struggle with any injuries we get in defence. We're still desperate for another midfielder really but I wonder if the Vidal transfer isn't going to happen, and it certainly looks that way, then Van Gaal will look to sign Strootman should he come back from injury OK.

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Seems Fallaini is injured now so any loan move might be off regardless.

With Rojo joining we have Jones, Evans, Smalling, Rojo, Blackett and Keane which I think is enough in numbers andI feel Blackett and Keane deserve their chance. With no european football we should be able to manage the squad and cope with a few injuries. I just feel central midfield is a priority at the moment.

For what its worth I didn't understand the Mata signing. He plays in a position where we have an abundance of talent already and it did seem like a panic buy at the time. As much as I like Mata he can be a liability at times and sometimes goes missing ala Swansea at the weekend.

Strootman would be a great signing, should have got him when he went to Roma. I know we were linked several times but nothing materialised.

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