The old Man Utd Thread

[Guest]

It's got to the point that you have to wonder if the owners even care. Because there is no other explanation for Moyes still being manager. If he's not sacked in the next 24 hours then it looks like we're stuck with him. Oh and it seems Danny Welbeck has handed in a transfer request according to the Guardian.

Why wouldn't they care? As a business it's completely in their interest to keep us performing at the top level. The only reason I can see for him still being there is that they're well under way with replacing him for next season and they've written this one off. It'd be good if they did get rid of him immediately though, just to give the fans a glimmer of hope after this shambles of a season.

[Tourist]

Why wouldn't they care? As a business it's completely in their interest to keep us performing at the top level.

I don't think that's how asset-stripping works.

[Chooch]

Has he been sacked yet?

[Guest]

I don't think that's how asset-stripping works.

If they're asset stripping they better be quick about it. Each minute Moyes is still there I can feel our value draining away.

[Adrock]

As a Liverpool fan there are some striking similarities to the period where Woy was in charge. On many occasions did he proclaim the team were control after losing. In fact, the one that always springs to my mind is the post match comments after the Everton loss.

Sometimes it's just better to cut the cord and get somebody else in.

[bowser123]

Jon, the club has never been more profitable or valuable than it is now. It is only getting richer with the deals they've already announced and things like the new kit deal imminent, all of which are very long lasting.

What I find amusing is Moyes was brought in for an air of continuity, a continuation of current methods rather than a revolution. Plus his Scottishness. That people like Charlton announced they didn't want or need somebody like Mourinho who'd come in, change everything and spend lots whilst shouting his mouth off. That we favour stability and don't want somebody who'll only be here ten minutes and ram this home with a 6 year contract.

Nearly 12 months on... the manager is talking of a revolution in playing style and ideas, of bringing lots of new players in with the CEO talking of unprecedented (for us) spending , releasing just about every senior player at the club whilst bending over backwards and taking it up the ass to keep one hugely over hyped, unreliable player who the former manager had lined up for departure.

What I find alarming is that when somebody like Welbeck is kicking off then all really can't be well. There's been endless stories of player unrest whose validity can and should be questioned. But when a local lad and fan, whose been at the club all his life and is the total opposite of a bad egg or big head is causing waves then I think questions need to be asked internally as to what the fuck is going on.

[Hewson]

Guardian, telegraph and Times all now leading on variations of Moyes facing the sack http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/21/david-moyes-sack-manchester-united

[gospvg]

Can they tempt Klopp in the summer or go for Van Gaal?

[redbloodcell]

Telegraph Journo saying Giggs is the choice "long-term", but what does that mean for the short?

[Bleeders]

United are 'refusing to deny' that Moyes is set to be sacked, apparently.

[gospvg]

Telegraph Journo saying Giggs is the choice "long-term", but what does that mean for the short?

way too early yet, Giggs needs the experience. Van Gaal with Giggs continuing his learning

[Oh Danny Boy]

Telegraph Journo saying Giggs is the choice "long-term", but what does that mean for the short?

I couldn't think of a worse choice of manager but it would be funny to watch the fallout after he is caught porking half the first team's wives

[Revival]

I'd imagine if there's any sense left in the Utd board they'll go for Diego Simeone.

[Guest]

I'd imagine if there's any sense left in the Utd board they'll go for Diego Simeone.

Did they have any sense to begin with?

[dizogg]

Yeah anyone else think Giggs seems a bit thick? When I've seen him talk he just doesn't seen like he'd have what it takes to be a top manager. Could be wrong though.

[ckny]

Agree with diz, Giggs wouldn't be a good choice. He does seem quite thick, especially in the Class of 92 DVD.

[dizogg]

Yeah ha I watched the class of 92 last month so it's probably based on that. One of greatest prem players ever but that does not necessarily a good manager make.

Get Pulis in!

[Gabe]

Wow, it really does look like he's going to be out the door this week then, doesn't it?

I think that not only his management, but that of Martinez has shown up how unambitious a manager he really is. Whether he just doesn't trust the players or just fears defeat more than the potential to win, the contrast in how Everton have played this season - and their results - shines a bit of a spotlight on Moyes' (lack of) tactical nous. He's just always so defeatist when he speaks, too. Before the season started it was all about how this year would be tough for him, then it became about just getting players settled to his style, then the not knowing how to win and now the whole 'we need to rebuild the squad' stuff.

So whomever comes in is going to have a fair old transfer kitty, too, from the sound of things. I wonder how many top players will be keen to join next season with potentially no European football of any kind on the go?

This Summer is going to be massive for you guys and Arsenal, I think.

[exwhyzed]

Wow, it really does look like he's going to be out the door this week then, doesn't it?

I think that not only his management, but that of Martinez has shown up how unambitious a manager he really is. Whether he just doesn't trust the players or just fears defeat more than the potential to win, the contrast in how Everton have played this season - and their results - shines a bit of a spotlight on Moyes' (lack of) tactical nous. He's just always so defeatist when he speaks, too. Before the season started it was all about how this year would be tough for him, then it became about just getting players settled to his style, then the not knowing how to win and now the whole 'we need to rebuild the squad' stuff.

So whomever comes in is going to have a fair old transfer kitty, too, from the sound of things. I wonder how many top players will be keen to join next season with potentially no European football of any kind on the go?

This Summer is going to be massive for you guys and Arsenal, I think.

If we get the right manager the players will join us without european football. Someone that players believe will actually believe in. The squad, as is, should have finished top 4 this year. Say we get lucky and get Simeone or Klopp, we are at least as safe a bet for top next year as Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs.

[feltmonkey]

it looks like the Moyes era really is drawing to a close then.

if we're talking successors, i think we should pull out all the stops to get Klopp, personally.

[Bleeders]

[spork]

To think, if Solskjaer was still at his old club taking them to another title, he'd probably be one of the favourites to replace Moyes. I guess we kind of dodged a bullet there at least?

[NexivRed]

Don't think Klopp will leave Dortmund. Van Gaal?

[Guest]

Not off the cards you will try to steal our Pochettino perhaps. Hopefully not though!

[Guest]

Hey guys, remember when everyone used to neg me for saying 'Moyes out'? Funny that.

Seriously though, he's had his chance and we've given him an entire to season to give us just a glimmer of this masterplan he's apparently got. All he's done though is, time and time again, show how clueless he is. I do wonder why that is though? He did ok with limited funds and an average squad at Everton, so you think with the players we've got and the potential to bring in top quality he'd have had a better shot. Was he just out of his depth? Was his style of management at odds with what our players were used to? Whatever it was he's messed up massively.

Good luck to him in the future, but at least we've got something to look forward to next season now.

[Bleeders]

In other news today, David May suspended from his punditry duties on MUTV for suggesting Moyes is 'out of his depth'.

[Bleeders]

Hey guys, remember when everyone used to neg me for saying 'Moyes out'? Funny that. Seriously though, he's had his chance and we've given him an entire to season to give us just a glimmer of this masterplan he's apparently got. All he's done though is, time and time again, show how clueless he is. I do wonder why that is though? He did ok with limited funds and an average squad at Everton, so you think with the players we've got and the potential to bring in top quality he'd have had a better shot. Was he just out of his depth? Was his style of management at odds with what our players were used to? Whatever it was he's messed up massively. Good luck to him in the future, but at least we've got something to look forward to next season now.

Well, I wouldn't imagine for a second that Moyes didn't have any performance related clauses in his contract, which according to a few journos United will most likely cite as the reason for his dismissal (assuming Moyes is relieved of his duties). I don't think for a second that it's no coincidence that these stories have emerged less than 24 hours after it's mathematically impossible for us to get a Champions League spot.

I did read that United cannot announce his dismissal until the NYSE has closed later on (9pm) apparently?!

[exwhyzed]

The stock exchange open/closed thing is bollocks afaik, we announced his appointment during trading hours.

[spork]

Hey guys, remember when everyone used to neg me for saying 'Moyes out'? Funny that.

Everyone bow down to football knowledge supremo, Poor Jon!

Actually, I think your negs were more for your knee jerk reactions and wanting Moyes' head as soon as he was announced while not even wanting to give him any sort of chance. Your constant negativity in this thread as well as your total unwillingness to recognise when things were actually going well also probably didn't help much.

Also, I imagine most of your negs probably came when you started crying every time you received one rather than anything else.

[Majora]

Just saw this story on the guardian and a wave of relief swept over me. A full season was more than enough to see this wasn't going anywhere. He had a championship winning squad, seasoned winners, 70 million quid to spend and failed miserably. He quite clearly lost the dressing room too.

What annoys me a bit is the blame that has, retrospectively, fell on Fergie for leaving behind a weak squad. You know, pretty much the same squad that, in the past four years, won 2 titles, lost the league on goal difference, and lost the league by a point. What a ragtag bunch of losers. Even if it is the case that Fergie got the best out of some players who maybe weren't quite United quality, well, I don't see that as an excuse for Moyes. As one if the biggest clubs in the world, we should have a manager who is capable of such things, not one who can only succeed by throwing money around at every problem - anyone can do that.

Fascinated to see who they go with. If we get the right person, I don't think lack of Champions League football next season is a huge issue in terms of getting new players. We're still a really big name and the right appointment could turn heads in a way that would never happen if Moyes were still to be in charge next season.